Why do you believe the law is not binding on Christians?

[john832]

Jesus is saying it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away before the law would fail what it was to accomplish.....which it did.

No, that is not what He said...

Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

ALL is not fulfilled. He has not returned, the Millenium has not come and this certainly is not fulfilled...

Rev 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

Ever been to the beach?

Rev 21:2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
Rev 21:5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."
Rev 21:6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Rev 21:9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, "Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife."
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.
Rev 21:12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.
Rev 21:14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he who talked with me had a gold reed to measure the city, its gates, and its wall.
Rev 21:16 The city is laid out as a square; its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand furlongs. Its length, breadth, and height are equal.
Rev 21:17 Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel.
Rev 21:18 The construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass.
Rev 21:19 The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald,
Rev 21:20 the fifth sardonyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.
Rev 21:21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
Rev 21:23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
Rev 21:25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there).
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Rev 22:11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still."
Rev 22:12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

 

[RedTent]

That's a lie. It is a task master. It is bondage. It's ONLY purpose was to lead us to Christ so that we may be free from the law.

We are told that people in Paul's day spoke against Paul, just as Phil is doing.

Act 6:11 Then they persuaded some men to say, "We heard him speaking blasphemous words against Moses and God!" Act 6:12 They stirred up the people, the elders, and the scribes; so they came, dragged him off, and took him to the Sanhedrin. Act 6:13 They also presented false witnesses who said, "This man does not stop speaking blasphemous words against this holy place and the law. Act 6:14 For we heard him say that Jesus, this Nazarene, will destroy this place and change the customs that Moses handed down to us."

Paul was cleared of all these accusations then, and yet people are still making them. These accusers are not taking the time to find out what was going on that Paul had to correct at that time. The Jews were identifying their love of God by the things they did they set them apart from the gentiles like their diet and circumcision. They insisted that in order to accept God, first the gentiles needed to accept Jewish lifestyle. That was not the truth, and scripture tells us so.

This was the accepted way for people of that day to join in worship with the Jews, if they would have had newspapers in that day it would have been headline news that these things weren't required, headlines would have said the Law of Moses doesn't have to be followed to join the worship of God. No one would have said, as we do now, that it had anything to do with the ten commandments, everyone would have known it meant they didn't have to do any of what was considered weird practices of Jews.

 

[SeaBass]

Hmmm, pulled that one out of context...

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME— IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME— TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

What is the subject here? Sacrifices.

The context tells us if that OT law could completely remit sins "make those who approach perfect" then there would have been no reason for that law and its sacrifices to cease. But that OT law with its animal sacrifices (blood of bulls and goats) cannot completely remit sins for there was a remembrance of those sins every year. So Christ offering Himself as the perfect sacrifices who can completely remit sins. Christ therefore took away that OT law that could not remit sins replacing it with His NT law that does have complete remission of sins. Why would anyone want to go back to the OT law and not have Christ's blood therefore not have complete remission of sins that the OT law could not do?

So the subject is sacrifices - the imperfect sacrifices of the OT law that could not remit sins and was replaced by the "Perfect Sacrifice" of the NT that does completely remit sins.

 

[SeaBass]

No, that is not what He said...

Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

ALL is not fulfilled. He has not returned, the Millenium has not come and this certainly is not fulfilled...

Rev 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

Ever been to the beach?

Rev 21:2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
Rev 21:5 Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." And He said to me, "Write, for these words are true and faithful."
Rev 21:6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
Rev 21:7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Rev 21:9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, "Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife."
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.
Rev 21:12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.
Rev 21:14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he who talked with me had a gold reed to measure the city, its gates, and its wall.
Rev 21:16 The city is laid out as a square; its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand furlongs. Its length, breadth, and height are equal.
Rev 21:17 Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel.
Rev 21:18 The construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass.
Rev 21:19 The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald,
Rev 21:20 the fifth sardonyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.
Rev 21:21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
Rev 21:23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
Rev 21:25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there).
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Rev 22:11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still."
Rev 22:12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

The OT law was a prophecy about the coming Messiah and would not fail to accomplish its purpose which it did through Christ who embraced it, perfectly kept it and fulfilled its prophecies of Him. Mt 5:17,18 "Fulfilled" carries the idea of ending, ceasing. Like when an agreement is fulfilled then it ends, it ceases and neither party is bound by it anymore.

If Christ did not fulfill it then He was not the Messiah and ever jot and tittle of the OT law is in placed and binding upon every one. So everyone must keep all the OT laws, including all the animal sacrifices. But as Col 2:14 says Christ took (perfect tense) that OT law out of the way, it was abolished (made inactive), Eph 2:14,15.

AS I posted earlier, Paul said in Rom 7:1-7 that it is sinful (spiritual adultery) for a Christian to try and keep the OT law and Christ's NT law at the same time, it would be like an adulteress women trying to keep two husbands at the same time.

 

[Agricola]

On judgment day, when God takes out the book, and asks why you didnt keep the Sabbath, what are you going to say?

Oh, I thought you did away with that.

That is not going to fly.

Judgement day is for the people who made it through the 1000 year rule and proberbly all unbeleivers. All beleivers who have accepted Christ and know Christ have names written in his Book of Life and will automatically enter heaven, if you know and accept Christ there will be no interrogation or questioning by God as to what you did with your life.

There will also be no exam on theology or evolution.

 

[john832]

The context tells us if that OT law could completely remit sins "make those who approach perfect" then there would have been no reason for that law and its sacrifices to cease. But that OT law with its animal sacrifices (blood of bulls and goats) cannot completely remit sins for there was a remembrance of those sins every year.

NO Law remits sin. Law defines sin...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead.

So Christ offering Himself as the perfect sacrifices who can completely remit sins. Christ therefore took away that OT law that could not remit sins replacing it with His NT law that does have complete remission of sins.

If He took away the Law, there is no sin...

Rom 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Christ did not do away with the Law, He paid for sin...

Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME— IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME— TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Why would anyone want to go back to the OT law and not have Christ's blood therefore not have complete remission of sins that the OT law could not do?

The whole point is we have Christ's sacirfice to justify and reconcile us. It is not a matter of going back to the Law, the Law never left. What changed was the sacrificial system that NEVER remitted sin but rather pointed to Christ who would be able to.

The subject of the first four verses of Heb 10 explains this...

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.

The sacrifices were an image, a shadow, a schoolmaster of the coming perfect Sacrifice.

Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.

If animal sacrifices were capable of remitting sin then Christ would not have to come. They were not intended to remit sin...

Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year.

A reminder of what? The coming perect Sacrifice. They were teh schoolmaster to lead us to Christ.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

What promise? The promise of remission of sin.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

We no longer need a tutor, a schoolmaster to foreshadow, to be an image of what is to come. Christ has come and is the perfect Sacrifice...

Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

So the subject is sacrifices - the imperfect sacrifices of the OT law that could not remit sins and was replaced by the "Perfect Sacrifice" of the NT that does completely remit sins.

The subject is sacrifices, it is not the doing away with the Law of God. Not even the sacrificial Law was done away (Luke 16:17) but the application was CHANGED from animal sacrifices to the sacrifice of Christ.

 

[john832]

Judgement day is for the people who made it through the 1000 year rule and proberbly all unbeleivers. All beleivers who have accepted Christ and know Christ have names written in his Book of Life and will automatically enter heaven, if you know and accept Christ there will be no interrogation or questioning by God as to what you did with your life.

There will also be no exam on theology or evolution.

Rom 14:12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.

 

[john832]

The OT law was a prophecy about the coming Messiah and would not fail to accomplish its purpose which it did through Christ who embraced it, perfectly kept it and fulfilled its prophecies of Him. Mt 5:17,18 "Fulfilled" carries the idea of ending, ceasing. Like when an agreement is fulfilled then it ends, it ceases and neither party is bound by it anymore.

If Christ did not fulfill it then He was not the Messiah and ever jot and tittle of the OT law is in placed and binding upon every one. So everyone must keep all the OT laws, including all the animal sacrifices. But as Col 2:14 says Christ took (perfect tense) that OT law out of the way, it was abolished (made inactive), Eph 2:14,15.

AS I posted earlier, Paul said in Rom 7:1-7 that it is sinful (spiritual adultery) for a Christian to try and keep the OT law and Christ's NT law at the same time, it would be like an adulteress women trying to keep two husbands at the same time.

Sinful to keep the Law?

Rom 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

By the way, in this seventh chapter of Romans Paul says that to have two men makes this woman an adulteress. Now if the Law was done away the seventh Commandment would not be coming into play here. Oddly enough, while you are trying to read into this that the Law is done away, just a few chapters back in this same book, Paul says this...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

 

[john832]

The OT law was a prophecy about the coming Messiah and would not fail to accomplish its purpose which it did through Christ who embraced it, perfectly kept it and fulfilled its prophecies of Him. Mt 5:17,18 "Fulfilled" carries the idea of ending, ceasing. Like when an agreement is fulfilled then it ends, it ceases and neither party is bound by it anymore.

If Christ did not fulfill it then He was not the Messiah and ever jot and tittle of the OT law is in placed and binding upon every one. So everyone must keep all the OT laws, including all the animal sacrifices. But as Col 2:14 says Christ took (perfect tense) that OT law out of the way, it was abolished (made inactive), Eph 2:14,15.

AS I posted earlier, Paul said in Rom 7:1-7 that it is sinful (spiritual adultery) for a Christian to try and keep the OT law and Christ's NT law at the same time, it would be like an adulteress women trying to keep two husbands at the same time.

As I have shown many times, Christ gave the Ten Commandments. That is His Law...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/92049-commandments-jesus-christ-5.html#post1546662

 

[phil112]

We are told that people in Paul's day spoke against Paul, just as Phil is doing.

................

Stop lying about me. This is the first time. People that lie repeatedly are liars. How much further do you intend to go?
"For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God."

If the law applies to you, you are hellbound. The law was my schoolmaster, and it brought me to Christ, where it is no longer applicable in my life, and I therefore have no further need of it.

Paul taught me that, as Christ told him to. Saying I speak against Paul is a lie. One of many that comes from your mouth.

 

[Jackson123]

we not doing animal sacrifice anymore.

mean we not binding by law of animal sacrifice.

which law we binding now? We binding to the law of love. We have to love Jesus. And Jesus is love. If Jesus dwelling in us then automatically we bound in the law. Jesus in us will produce love.

And love is the constitution. Love is the very foundations of law.

Most law of Moses is only shadowing law of love.

Let me quote the verse again.

Matt 22

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Those Love law is foundation of all law

Than what ever you do without love is like a build a house without foundation. It will collapse.

Sabbath law is only shadowing for the real Sabbath. The real sabbath is love, the other name of Jesus Christ. He had come and dwelling in our heart.

 

[Grandpa]

Are you able to keep the laws of the road by your own power? That is, are you, by your own power, able to drive the speed limit, stop at red lights, obey traffic signs, etc?

Not when I'm in an airplane. When I am in an airplane I am dead to the laws of the road. The laws of the road still exist for those still on the road but not for those who have a new mode of transportation. Those in the airplane are free from the laws of the road. If they go back to the laws of the road they will surely fall (from grace).

Good analogy...

 

[SeaBass]

NO Law remits sin. Law defines sin...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead.





If He took away the Law, there is no sin...

Rom 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Christ did not do away with the Law, He paid for sin...

Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME— IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME— TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.



The whole point is we have Christ's sacirfice to justify and reconcile us. It is not a matter of going back to the Law, the Law never left. What changed was the sacrificial system that NEVER remitted sin but rather pointed to Christ who would be able to.

The subject of the first four verses of Heb 10 explains this...

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.

The sacrifices were an image, a shadow, a schoolmaster of the coming perfect Sacrifice.

Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.

If animal sacrifices were capable of remitting sin then Christ would not have to come. They were not intended to remit sin...

Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year.

A reminder of what? The coming perect Sacrifice. They were teh schoolmaster to lead us to Christ.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

What promise? The promise of remission of sin.

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

We no longer need a tutor, a schoolmaster to foreshadow, to be an image of what is to come. Christ has come and is the perfect Sacrifice...

Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.




The subject is sacrifices, it is not the doing away with the Law of God. Not even the sacrificial Law was done away (Luke 16:17) but the application was CHANGED from animal sacrifices to the sacrifice of Christ.

There is remission of sins under the NT law, something NOT under the OT for if there were then there was no need for that law to cease.

Col 2:14; Eph 2:14,15; Mt 5:17,18 Christ did fulfill, took away, abolished the OT law REPLACING it with His NT law, Heb 10:9, so all men today are under Christ' NT law and there is sin for violating Christ's NT law.

The OT law did not have Christ's blood to justify/remit sins. So why would anyone desire to be under that law?


Heb 10:1-3:

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

The OT law was just a shadow of good things to come and could not with its sacrifices make the comer perfect/remit sins for if it could, then no reason why should it CEASE. Yet it could NOT make the comers perfect (a remembrance of sins made yearly) so it did CEASE and was replaced by "good things to come" which was Christ's shed blood found under the NT law where comers can be made perfect/sins remitted.

 

[Jackson123]

As I have shown many times, Christ gave the Ten Commandments. That is His Law...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/92049-commandments-jesus-christ-5.html#post1546662

Not only Ten commandments brother. All law of Moses including animal sacrifice is from the Lord.

Are you doing animal sacrifice, to show your obediance

Brother, in my understanding, if you invite Jesus in your heart than you are doing Sabbath law and animal sacrifice law.

 

[Fishbait]

Show me proof from the Bible why you believe the law is not binding on Christians.

I assume you mean Mosaic Law. An exposition of Romans 10:4, which says: "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes," will help in understanding what is means that Christians are not under the law. The apostle Paul clarifies the effects of original sin in Romans 2:12, stating "All who sin apart from the law will perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law." All men stand condemned before God, whether they are Jews or not, or to put it another way, whether they have the Law of God or not. Paul also states "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).

If we are without Christ, we are justly condemned in God’s sight by the Law that was given to His servant Moses. However, we might argue that those who are not Jewish and therefore do not benefit from the knowledge of the Mosaic Law (including the moral and ceremonial laws), should not be condemned in the same way. This is dealt with by the Apostle in Romans 2:14-15, where he states that the Gentiles have the essence of God’s legal requirements already ingrained and so are just as much without excuse.

The Law is the issue that has to be dealt with in order to bring us into a right relationship with God. "Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" (Galatians 2:16). This passage reveals that the Law cannot justify or make righteous any man in God’s sight, which is why God sent His Son to completely fulfil the requirements of the Law for all those who would ever believe in Him.

Christ Jesus redeemed us from the curse that has been brought through the law by becoming a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). He substituted Himself in our place and upon the cross took the punishment that is justly ours so that we are no longer under the curse of the Law. In doing so, He fulfilled and upheld the requirements of the Law. This does not mean that Christians are to be lawless, as some advocate today—a teaching called antinomianism. Rather, it means that we are free from the Mosaic Law and instead under the law of Christ, which is to love God with all of our being and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves.

Christ became the end of the Law by virtue of what He did on earth through His sinless life and His sacrifice on the cross. So, the Law no longer has any bearing over us because its demands have been fully met in the Lord Jesus Christ. Faith in Christ who satisfied the righteous demands of the Law restores us into a pleasing relationship with God and keeps us there. No longer under the penalty of the Law, we now live under the law of grace in the love of God.

 

[svedbygrace]

The True believer has through Christ kept all the commandments of God, also through Him they have been punished for all the sins they actually sinned against God in the flesh, and now they are seated together with Christ in the heavenlies Eph 2:6

 

[SeaBass]

Sinful to keep the Law?

Rom 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

By the way, in this seventh chapter of Romans Paul says that to have two men makes this woman an adulteress. Now if the Law was done away the seventh Commandment would not be coming into play here. Oddly enough, while you are trying to read into this that the Law is done away, just a few chapters back in this same book, Paul says this...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Paul is making a comparison between a woman who has two husbands and the Christian keeping both the law of Moses and Christ' s NT.

Paul says "So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress:"

A Christian is one married to Christ and His NT and if the Christian tries to keep both the OT and Christ's NT law, then he is committing a spiritual adultery against Christ as the woman keeping two husbands is an adulteress.

Yet Paul said if the woman's "husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband" So if her husband is dead she is free from the law to be married to another man.

Likewise for the Christian, Paul said "Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another,even to him who is raised from the dead.."

Christ dying on the cross taking the OT out of the way makes the Christian dead to that OT law and to be married to Christ and His NT gospel.


In Rom 3:31 Paul is saying faith does not void "law"..... the OT law, Christ's NT law, man's law of the land, etc.
Paul is not saying faith keeps the OT law in effect:

A False View

Before concluding this brief discussion, we must address an erroneous theory that has engaged the interest of some in the community of “Christendom.”
It is alleged by many that Romans 3:31 demonstrates that the Mosaic law, with the exception of the offering of animal sacrifices, is as binding today as it was thirty-five centuries ago. Hence advocates of this ideology, appealing to this text, attempt to justify some of their practices, e.g., a physical priesthood (Catholicism, Mormonism), carnal forms of worship (burning incense, the use of instruments of music in worship, and holy dancing — cf. Hebrews 9:10), or the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath.
While there are many lessons to be learned from the Old Testament (cf. Romans 15:4), and though the former law contains principles that are timeless in nature (cf. Proverbs 6:16ff, for example), the law of Moses itself, as a legal system, is not an obligation for modern man (and never was for Gentiles).
Even the Israelite people (to whom the law was given initially — Deuteronomy 5:1-5) have been released from the Mosaic code. The following list reflects some of the terms used in the New Testament to signify that severance: “fulfilled” (Matthew 5:17), “dead to,” (Romans 7:4), “discharged from” (Romans 7:6), “passing away” (2 Corinthians 3:7, 11, 13), “no longer under” (Galatians 3:25), “no longer bondservant” (Galatians 4:7), “set free” (Galatians 5:1), “called for freedom” (Galatians 5:13), “broke down” and “abolished” (Ephesians 2:14-15), “counted as loss” (Philippians 3:7), “taken away; nailed to the cross” (Colossians 2:14), “no longer judged by law” (Colossians 2:16), a “new, better covenant,” with “better promises” than bestowed under the “old” covenant (Hebrews 8:6, 13).
Such expressions could be multiplied, but these should be sufficient to show that the Mosaic code, as a law system, is no longer in force. Hodge puts the theme into perfect balance. “That law is abolished, not by being pronounced spurious or invalid, but by having met its accomplishments, and answered its design in the gospel” (83).
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1298-meaning-of-romans-3-31-the

 

[SeaBass]

As I have shown many times, Christ gave the Ten Commandments. That is His Law...

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/92049-commandments-jesus-christ-5.html#post1546662

The 10 commandments was given only to the Jews to keep, Deut 5:1-3, that covenant only being with the Jews.

 

[SeaBass]

Not when I'm in an airplane. When I am in an airplane I am dead to the laws of the road. The laws of the road still exist for those still on the road but not for those who have a new mode of transportation. Those in the airplane are free from the laws of the road. If they go back to the laws of the road they will surely fall (from grace).

Good analogy...

But when you are driving a car/truck on public roads, are you able to keep the laws of the road by your own power?

 

[svedbygrace]

The 10 commandments was given only to the Jews to keep, Deut 5:1-3, that covenant only being with the Jews.

What scripture says that ?

The 10 commandments was given only to the Jews to keep