Misconceptions of Calvinism

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There are quite a few of people here who intentionally bash the doctrines of grace using misconceptions, whether taught by unlearned men, or by their own folly come to such conclusions, or just not aware of what it is. I will help to show some misconceptions that many Christians have assumed about Calvinism. Let us examine and fix the faulty thinking in this blessed doctrine of grace.

T – Total Depravity


Misconception: People don’t have “free will” and are basically robots without any ability to choose on their own.

Fact
: Calvinism acknowledges that all human beings make various choices in life. However, when it comes to making a decision for God, reformed theology affirms that no one seeks God or receives Christ on their own without being spiritually awakened by God and enabled to do so.

It is no understatement to say that once a person fully understands the doctrine of total depravity, all other points in Calvinism are easy to accept. Get this teaching wrong, and you have a theological mess on your hands.

Do people make choices? Of course, each and every day, and on many different levels. But when it comes to salvation in Christ, the Bible is clear that each person is born in sin (Ps. 51:5), spiritually dead (Eph. 2:1), and morally incapable of coming to Christ by themselves (1 Cor. 2:14, Rom. 8:6-7).

Jesus made the explicit statement, “No one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father” (John 6:65), which clearly showcases an inability in everyone to freely choose Christ unless granted by the Father (see also John 6:44). Once an unbeliever is spiritually called by God out of their darkness (2 Tim. 1:8-9) and their eyes are opened (John 9:39), they then willingly receive Jesus as Savior.

James White sums up the correct position well when he says: “Reformed Christians believe that men believe and choose. It is the order of events that is in dispute. Every Christian has chosen Christ, believed in Christ, embraced Christ, and even more, continues to do so. The question is not ‘must a person believe,’ but can a person believe while a slave to sin? Further, whose decision comes first: the decision of God to free the enslaved, dead sinner and give him the ability to believe, or the free-choice decision of the sinner that then makes him or her one of the elect?”

U – Unconditional Election

Misconception: The doctrine that says God chooses who will be saved is incredibly unfair.

Fact: Reformed theology upholds that no one deserves salvation and that God displays incredible mercy in saving those He chooses.

Arthur Pink began one message in Australia many years ago by saying, “I am going to speak tonight on one of the most hated doctrines of the Bible, namely, that of God’s sovereign election.”

By far, the most uttered complaint against election is that it’s not fair. And yet, every Christian acknowledges they don’t deserve God’s mercy and His salvation – that it’s “fair” if God chose to judge all sinners as being unworthy of spending eternal life with Him.

That being the case why is it considered repugnant if God chooses to show mercy to some and allows His justice to fall on others who willingly continue in their sin? Would a governor be considered an ogre and unfair simply because he/she decided to grant amnesty to one criminal while others are left to carry out their proper sentence?

Those who reject election believe in choice, but they don’t want God to choose; they want humanity to choose instead. This seems more fair and just to them.

However, Paul anticipated this response from the audience that received his letter to the Romans. In chapter 9, after carefully laying out the doctrine of election, Paul specifically and proactively answers the charge of unfairness with God and clearly spells out that salvation has nothing to do with our choice but is rather His alone:

“What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy” (Rom. 9:14–16).

Such a statement from Paul makes absolutely no sense if the Apostle believed that we are the ultimate decision maker where salvation is concerned vs. God. From a human standpoint, what would be unfair about that?

L – Limited Atonement

Misconception: Only Calvinism limits the atonement of Christ on the cross.

Fact: Outside of Universalists, every Christian believes in limited atonement.

Unless you’re a Universalist and believe that everyone will eventually be saved, then you believe that the atonement of Christ is limited and that it automatically doesn’t save all of humanity.

How is the atonement limited? It is limited to those who believe (John 3:16).

But how does a person come to believe? This is where we must boomerang back up to the “T” and “U” of Calvinism’s TULIP and first understand how God saves those He chooses.

But as to who truly limits Christ’s sacrifice on the cross, reformed pastor Charles Spurgeon offers these helpful words in this semi-lengthy, but helpful quote:

“We are often told that we limit the atonement of Christ. Because we say that Christ has not made a satisfaction for all men or all men would be saved. Now our reply to this is on the other hand our opponents limit it, we do not. The Arminians say Christ died for all men. Ask them what they mean by that. Did Christ die to secure the salvation of all men? They say no, certainly not. We ask them the next question: Did Christ die to secure the salvation of any one person in particular? They say no. They’re obliged to say that if they’re consistent. They say, no, Christ has died that any man may be saved if ... and then follow certain conditions of salvation…“Now, who is it that limits of the death of Christ? Why, you - you say that Christ did not die so as to infallibly secure the salvation of anybody. We beg your pardon. When you say we limit Christ’s death we say no my dear sir it is you that do that. We say that Christ so died that He infallibly secured the salvation of a multitude that no man can number who through Christ’s death not only may be saved but will be saved and cannot by any possibility run the hazard of being anything but saved. You are welcome to your atonement; you may keep it. We will never renounce ours for the sake of it.”

I – Irresistible Grace

Misconception: God drags people kicking and screaming against their will into His kingdom.

Fact: Reform theology teaches that God lovingly overcomes the natural rebellion in the sinner’s heart so that they may accept His gift of salvation.

J. I. Packer sums up this doctrine in a very succinct manner when he says, “Grace proves irresistible just because it destroys the disposition to resist.”

A passage in Acts showcases this efficacious call of God in action: “And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to a riverside, where we were supposing that there would be a place of prayer; and we sat down and began speaking to the women who had assembled. A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul. ” (Acts 16:13–14).

Another point worth making is that this call is not given to everyone. This fact is evident in Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians: “But we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God” (1 Cor. 1:23-24).

Notice the same two groups are preached to (Jews and Gentiles) and yet only those called by God (also Jews and Gentiles) are saved by His grace. These are the ones who receive God’s efficacious call (i.e. His irresistible grace).

P – Perseverance of the Saints

Misconception: A person remains saved no matter how they live their life.

Fact: Calvinism teaches that a professing Christian with no change in behavior and no movement toward sanctification proves that they were never saved to begin with.

Reformed scholar and pastor John Piper tells the story of a woman who heard a message he delivered on the perseverance of the saints (which says a born again Christian can never lose their salvation, but will persevere to the end). She came to him and stated that she was in an adulterous affair, but because she was saved, she intended to continue in her affair without any worry about losing her salvation.

Piper’s reply to her was direct and rare in our current sugar-coated, seeker-friendly church environment: “God will damn you to Hell if you continue in your sin.”

In making that statement, Piper was simply affirming the Bible’s teaching that the fruit of the tree identifies the type of tree (Matt. 12:33). In no way does Calvinism teach that a person born again may continue in their rebellion, sin against God, and see eternal life with the Creator.

Instead, reformed theology upholds just the opposite: that a true Christian will manifest holy affections that prove their salvation, although they will always struggle with the sin nature that they have (see Romans 7). For an excellent treatment of this subject, see Jonathan Edward’s magisterial work, “A Treatise Concerning Religious Affections”.

Conclusion

While I have no fanciful dreams that the above will instantly turn those who oppose Calvinism into reformed theologians, I do hope that perhaps some of the faulty critiques aimed at the doctrines of grace will be blunted, and that believers will take their Bible in one hand and some accurate teaching of reformed theology in the other, and at least understand the positions in a more accurate way.

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Fact: ''Calvinism acknowledges that all human beings make various choices in life. However, when it comes to making a decision for God, reformed theology affirms that no one seeks God or receives Christ on their own without being spiritually awakened by God and enabled to do so.''

The common objection is, ''then how can God hold a person guilty for not believing in Christ if God never awakened and enabled him?''

...please answer.
 
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Fact: ''Calvinism acknowledges that all human beings make various choices in life. However, when it comes to making a decision for God, reformed theology affirms that no one seeks God or receives Christ on their own without being spiritually awakened by God and enabled to do so.''

The common objection is, ''then how can God hold a person guilty for not believing in Christ if God never awakened and enabled him?''

...please answer.
Jesus answers it, "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."
 
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Don't drink the kool aid, PLEASE
 

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Jesus answers it, "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."
But apart from Jesus drawing us no one comes. So how is one counted guilty for not coming to Christ if he is not drawn irresistibly to the Son?
 
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But apart from Jesus drawing us no one comes. So how is one counted guilty for not coming to Christ if he is not drawn irresistibly to the Son?
Let's change up the question. Would God be just to leave everyone at the expense of their transgressions and sins? Yes. Would God be in fault for men being under the bondage of sin which they continue in error? No. So really there is no excuse for their own wickedness.

When God draws a man to faith, that's out of pure grace. He isn't obligated to save anyone, but He does anyways out of mercy.
 

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Let's change up the question. Would God be just to leave everyone at the expense of their transgressions and sins? Yes. Would God be in fault for men being under the bondage of sin which they continue in error? No. So really there is no excuse for their own wickedness.

When God draws a man to faith, that's out of pure grace. He isn't obligated to save anyone, but He does anyways out of mercy.
Let's not change up the question. How is one man judged guilty for not believing when another has had their eyes awakened and have been enabled to believe?
 
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Let's not change up the question. How is one man judged guilty for not believing when another has had their eyes awakened and have been enabled to believe?
Crossnote, I changed the question to help you get the answer. In no way am I trying to sway you, but plainly explain the Word. My first reply was sufficient.
 
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Kerry

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are you Christian or Calvinist there is a difference.
 

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Crossnote, I changed the question to help you get the answer. In no way am I trying to sway you, but plainly explain the Word. My first reply was sufficient.
I understood the rhetorical questions and agree both are at the fault of man.
But now the issue is partiality on an individual level and then judging guilty the one who God was not partial to.
 
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I understood the rhetorical questions and agree both are at the fault of man.
But now the issue is partiality on an individual level and then judging guilty the one who God was not partial to.
Crossnote, are you intentionally doing this to bug me? You are doing a pretty good job...lol

Partiality and unconditional election are exclusive don't you agree? Partiality refers to regarding someone for what they are, have, etc. Unconditional Election is not based on anything within a man, but entirely on God who chooses.

Again with your question.

Question: "How is one man judged guilty for not believing when another has had their eyes awakened and have been enabled to believe?"

Answer: "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

John 3:18-21 NASB

Simple answer: Because they sinned and their sin must be judged.
 
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in the book of Calvin chapter 3 and verse 12. Wait it don't exist reckon why?
 

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Crossnote, are you intentionally doing this to bug me? You are doing a pretty good job...lol

Partiality and unconditional election are exclusive don't you agree? Partiality refers to regarding someone for what they are, have, etc. Unconditional Election is not based on anything within a man, but entirely on God who chooses.

Again with your question.

Question: "How is one man judged guilty for not believing when another has had their eyes awakened and have been enabled to believe?"

Answer: "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

John 3:18-21 NASB

Simple answer: Because they sinned and their sin must be judged.
But all have sinned but some got special treatment.
I'll leave the impasse there, the same place as I always leave it. There are some things we can't explain and should not try if Scripture gives no answer.
FWI, I can give Arminians a hard time too.
 
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in the book of Calvin chapter 3 and verse 12. Wait it don't exist reckon why?
I know I can't stop anyone here, but if your comments or questions are irrelevant to the OP then please don't post out of respect. I don't think you even read the OP in its entirety did you?
 
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I think the OP was about Calvin why do you have a problem with what I said?
 
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Spokenpassage

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But all have sinned but some got special treatment.
I'll leave the impasse there, the same place as I always leave it. There are some things we can't explain and should not try if Scripture gives no answer.
FWI, I can give Arminians a hard time too.

Crossnote, it is explained, I believe you are the one having a hard time brother. Embrace it and see its fruits. I speak no such a thing to heretical teachings (such as hyper-calvinism, universalism, etc). Search it out with your heart if you really want to know. If it confuses and bugs you, study it!

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I think the OP was about Calvin why do you have a problem with what I said?
It's about the bible, John Calvin isn't even mentioned.