Should we pray to Mary as the Mother of God?

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Matthew 13:55
“Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?

John 3:12
I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Jesus did all he could to protect his mother from this.... Next people will be telling me we have to worship Mary because you have to be a God to bring forth a God
Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.


  • Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
 
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Jesus did all he could to protect his mother from this.... Next people will be telling me we have to worship Mary because you have to be a God to bring forth a God
Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.


  • Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
John 19:27
and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
( I wonder how the disciples parents' are going to say about calling Mary their mother?)
 
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John 19:27
and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
( I wonder how the disciples parents' are going to say about calling Mary their mother?)
This verse is the basis for the Catholic belief of Mary being the Mother of the Church.
 
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John 19:27
and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
( I wonder how the disciples parents' are going to say about calling Mary their mother?)

The oldest son took care of the mother. Jesus was passing on responsibility to john. It's not a directive for all to pray to Mary.
 

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TomistColin, and I just don't get that! How do you get that? It's clearly saying that one specific disciple is to care for Jesus' mother. How does that translate into Mary becoming the mother of the church? The Roman Catholic church has certainly read something into that verse to get that.
 
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TomistColin, and I just don't get that! How do you get that? It's clearly saying that one specific disciple is to care for Jesus' mother. How does that translate into Mary becoming the mother of the church? The Roman Catholic church has certainly read something into that verse to get that.
It goes far deeper than that one verse. It has to do with the wedding at Cana, our belief that she was a perpetual virgin, this verse, her song upon meeting Elizabeth, and the traditions and writings of the early church fathers. I didn't want to derail. Just to inform that this verse is the basis of the belief.
 
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This verse is the basis for the Catholic belief of Mary being the Mother of the Church.
I guess this verse is insignificant since Mary was a mother for only a short period until she past on. I don't even know why Jesus has added that to the scriptures in the first place, but He had said that on the cross and He was loosing blood. For a minute, it sounded as He wanted us to remember Mary as being a mother, but no...., He couldn't been trying to get us to remember her, she is just a plain ole' woman that can spit out children, like an oven bring forth bread.
 
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I guess this verse is insignificant since Mary was a mother for only a short period until she past on. I don't even know why Jesus has added that to the scriptures in the first place, but He had said that on the cross and He was loosing blood. For a minute, it sounded as He wanted us to remember Mary as being a mother, but no...., He couldn't been trying to get us to remember her, she is just a plain ole' woman that can spit out children, like an oven bring forth bread.
That is by far one of the more insulting things I have read in a long time. At the very least call her blessed and acknowledge the great work she allowed to take place within her. You would dare just be flippant about the woman who bore Christ,raised Christ, cried at the base of His cross, seeing her son and Saviour die.
 
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That is by far one of the more insulting things I have read in a long time. At the very least call her blessed and acknowledge the great work she allowed to take place within her. You would dare just be flippant about the woman who bore Christ,raised Christ, cried at the base of His cross, seeing her son and Saviour die.
Well, I never had heard that a child run to their mother to get their father to do something,
 
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Wow
, the way that some of you talk about Jesus' mom in this thread. Talking like that about someone's mother,, and even the mother of GOD.
You wouldn't walk up to a guy on the street and say those things about his mother ('cause he'd promptly beat you up), but you'll say those things about God's own mother, with no fear of offending Him? His blessed mother that he created himself and for himself and us. Mary, his most obedient servant whom he loves so tenderly.

She's so beautiful, and is our mother too. Jesus gave her to us even as he was being crucified.

I will pray for those who dismiss her as simply "any woman". What shallow faith that you cannot even begin to contemplate the beautiful mysteries of Christ's immaculate mother.



Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us!

Blessed are you among women,
and blessed is
the fruit of your womb, Jesus.

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Wow
, the way that some of you talk about Jesus' mom in this thread. Talking like that about someone's mother,, and even the mother of GOD.
You wouldn't walk up to a guy on the street and say those things about his mother ('cause he'd promptly beat you up), but you'll say those things about God's own mother, with no fear of offending Him? His blessed mother that he created himself and for himself and us. Mary, his most obedient servant whom he loves so tenderly.

She's so beautiful, and is our mother too. Jesus gave her to us even as he was being crucified.

I will pray for those who dismiss her as simply "any woman". What shallow faith that you cannot even begin to contemplate the beautiful mysteries of Christ's immaculate mother.



Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us!

Blessed are you among women,
and blessed is
the fruit of your womb, Jesus.

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The question you must ask, is praying to some one a part of worship ? If yes then it is wrong do to the bible is clear on this topic to worship God and God alone. If your answer is no that it is not a part of worship, then you must ask this next question. Why are you praying to them ? People pray to Mary and the other Saints for things; health, wealth, and so on. Our Lord however says He will provide us with what we need, so why are you praying to some one who would have to take it to our Lord as well when you can ask our Lord and Savior directly.
 
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The question you must ask, is praying to some one a part of worship ? If yes then it is wrong do to the bible is clear on this topic to worship God and God alone. If your answer is no that it is not a part of worship, then you must ask this next question. Why are you praying to them ? People pray to Mary and the other Saints for things; health, wealth, and so on. Our Lord however says He will provide us with what we need, so why are you praying to some one who would have to take it to our Lord as well when you can ask our Lord and Savior directly.
Why do you pray (ask) others to pray for you? It's the same thing here.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Not necessarily, we ask others to pray to our Lord for those things. We don't pray for them to give it to us as in the case that someone prays to this saint for health, another saint for wealth, and so on. It is not the saints or the people who you ask to pray for you that provide what you need, it is our Lord that provides.

I was in a Catholic church for 5 years, and I left cause of things taught that was not by the bible. One of the things was the praying to the saints. I asked why they had us do this, and the answer I got was we pray to different saints because they provide what we ask for. Biblical ? No it is not, nowhere in the bible does it say to pray to them for things. Just pray to your Lord and Savior.

And yes there is big difference in praying for someone, and praying to someone.

Why do you pray (ask) others to pray for you? It's the same thing here.
 
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It is amazing how people hold fast to doctrine of men rather than the truth of God...They stand proud in their false doctrine twisting scripture to suit their own fancy.Rejecting the true God and our Lord Jesus Christ. I confess Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour...not a trinity ,,,,not Mary,,, not OSS doctrine,,, not OSAS doctrine,,,not ES doctrine,,,not sabbath keeping nor anything that is contrary to true faith and sound doctrine.
 
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Not necessarily, we ask others to pray to our Lord for those things. We don't pray for them to give it to us as in the case that someone prays to this saint for health, another saint for wealth, and so on. It is not the saints or the people who you ask to pray for you that provide what you need, it is our Lord that provides.

I was in a Catholic church for 5 years, and I left cause of things taught that was not by the bible. One of the things was the praying to the saints. I asked why they had us do this, and the answer I got was we pray to different saints because they provide what we ask for. Biblical ? No it is not, nowhere in the bible does it say to pray to them for things. Just pray to your Lord and Savior.

And yes there is big difference in praying for someone, and praying to someone.
To pray literally means to ask. Also, we don't believe that the Saints give health. We believe they pray for us.
 
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We should not pray to Mary and we should not call her the mother of God which it seems as if the Catholic Church wants to have a female deity like the other religions.

Jesus was speaking to a crowd of people and a woman blurted out blessed is the woman that gave birth to you,which Jesus replied,nay,rather blessed is the person that does the will of God.

Jesus was speaking to a crowd and His mother and brothers and His mother wanted to talk to Jesus,which the disciples said Jesus your mother is outside the crowd wanting to talk to you,which Jesus pointed to His disciples and said,behold my mother,for anyone that does the will of God the same is My mother,brother,and sister.

Jesus did not exalt Mary above any other saint and put her in the same boat as everybody else which when He pointed to the disciples and said behold My mother,He was making a point that Mary was no greater or more blessed than any other saint.

Jesus always called Mary woman and never mother and Mary said that Jesus was her savior.

The Bible says not to bow down to any graven image whether a graven image of anything in heaven,anything on the earth,or anything in the sea.

Mary cannot be the mother of God for God cannot be born.

God is the one that caused the conception in Mary,Mary had no part in it,other than carrying the human body.Mary gave birth to the human and that is all and God caused the conception in Mary.

God is an omnipresent Spirit which the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God,and the Bible says that God is in all and through all,so God is in everybody and God was already in Mary before the conception of Jesus.

God did not enter Mary and cause the conception as if Mary gets glory for God to come out of her,for God was already in Mary before the conception and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for God's Spirit cannot be separated and cannot break apart.

God is an omnipresent Spirit which cannot be separated and cannot break in any area but the Spirit is always intact as a whole all of the time.

God is in all and through all which means God's Spirit does not move around objects and inhabits the space where physical objects are at and does not break apart because of a physical object.

God flows through all the physical matter and objects but is not part of the physical world for God's Spirit and physical matter is separate.

How can Mary be the mother of God as if some of God's Spirit split from the rest of the Spirit and Jesus has that Spirit in Him with no dealing with the rest of the Spirit so Mary is the mother of God with that broken off Spirit of God when God is an omnipresent Spirit that cannot split apart anywhere but the Spirit is always as a whole.

God is in all and through all and the Spirit of Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for God's Spirit cannot be separated.

The only way that Mary logically could be the mother of God is if she gave birth to the whole omnipresent Spirit of God which is impossible physically and God has no beginning and was before Mary.

Are the Catholics saying that Mary gave birth to the whole omnipresent Spirit of God that cannot be separated and has no beginning.

That does not make sense for it is impossible.

That is the only way that Mary can be the mother of God is if she gave birth to the omnipresent Spirit of God and God does have a beginning but started with Mary which we know is not true.

Mary cannot give birth to a little part of the Spirit not connected to the rest of the Spirit for God cannot be separated and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God.

The Spirit cannot be separated and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God so how can Mary give birth to the omnipresent Spirit of God.

Jesus is not a God that is separate from the Spirit with a little of that Spirit in Him but the Spirit in Jesus is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God.

God is in all and through all and God does not have to move because He is already there.In the saints Gd manifest partial attributes and in the man Christ Jesus God manifest all His attributes.

God caused the conception in Mary and Mary had nothing to do with the conception and only gave birth to the human side of God for God cannot be born.God was already in Mary before the conception and connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God.

Jesus said that anybody that does the will of God is just as blessed as Mary and we do not pray to Mary.

Jesus said that born of women there was none greater than John the Baptist because John had the Spirit at birth,although He did not have the Spirit to save Him but to help Him to prepare the way for Jesus.

That would mean that Mary was not greater than John for there was none greater than John the Baptist so Mary could of not been born immaculate conception for she would then be greater.
 
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Woman was a term of endearment and honor. What did Adam call Eve? Who did the new Adam call woman?
 

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Why do you pray (ask) others to pray for you? It's the same thing here.
I feel like we're beating a dead horse here.

Asking another live Christian to pray is biblical. Praying to a DEAD PERSON is NOT.

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