The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same Law.

[Dan58]

Yes, the laws written in stone are the same as those written in our hearts, God did not change or alter them.

The difference was explained by Christ's sermon on the mount (Matthew 5). The Pharisees knew the law, but misconstrued it for their own benefit. They might beat a person within an inch of their life, but not kill them, thereby technically keeping the law "thou shalt not murder". That to me is what Jesus meant when he said that you can commit adultery in your heart without actually committing the sin physically. Keeping the letter of the law did not necessarily make a persons heart right, because it often omitted the purpose of the law, which was to "love thy neighbor as thyself" jmo

 

[john832]

Yes, the laws written in stone are the same as those written in our hearts, God did not change or alter them.

The difference was explained by Christ's sermon on the mount (Matthew 5). The Pharisees knew the law, but misconstrued it for their own benefit. They might beat a person within an inch of their life, but not kill them, thereby technically keeping the law "thou shalt not murder". That to me is what Jesus meant when he said that you can commit adultery in your heart without actually committing the sin physically. Keeping the letter of the law did not necessarily make a persons heart right, because it often omitted the purpose of the law, which was to "love thy neighbor as thyself" jmo

Excellent.

 

[MrsRoseTreasure]

God gives us a new heart with the law written on it and the Holy Spirit which causes us to keep his laws. praise His name, this is imputed righteousness. The free gift of God in Christ. True freedom from sin. this is not in mans power to do, but by faith we may all claim in the name of Jesus this new heart which enables us to obey perfectly Gods law.

Yes, but are you keeping his law?

 

[MrsRoseTreasure]

Very well said! Mind if I steal this for future discussions?

How about this one?

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

or this one?

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Now let me quote the most unpopular voice in the New Testament...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Many love to quote Paul out of context when it seems he is speaking against the Law (in fact he supports the Law) yet hardly any quote the One Christianity is supposed to be all about.

 

[Hoffco]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

WOW! You three are in very "deep waters". To Scuba, You have a very sick mind ,to think that God's HOLY laws give us liberty to sin. To JaumeJ, you are very close to the truth. But for a law to "not be good" doesn't mean, it is "bad". God does not give us "immoral", "bad" laws. I see your meaning of "bad" is "punishments", like "death". This is "bad" for the one dying, But good for society as a whole. To posthuman, You are twisting Eze. 's words to make God look "good". JaumeJ is closer to the truth. SO, What laws were "not good"? In my opinion, the laws of ordinances were not "good", not pleasant to live with. To circumcise a male is not pleasant, and in a modern,clean society is not needed. To kill someone for picking up sticks on the sabbath day is "not good", "pleasant." Not eating pork is not a "good" law.. etc. etc. Jesus destroyed these "bad" laws. God was getting very MEAN, because of their wickednesses. God is allowed to do so, because He is the law given, and no one can question God. Now, in the N,T. God is not so mean to us. We have the law of liberty to eat anytime, with moderation. etc. etc. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

Whoa!, the last 10 posts came after
I made my post, I am way behind. LOve to all, Hoffco

 

[crossnote]

How about this one?

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

or this one?

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Now let me quote the most unpopular voice in the New Testament...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Many love to quote Paul out of context when it seems he is speaking against the Law (in fact he supports the Law) yet hardly any quote the One Christianity is supposed to be all about.

You seem to be mixing salvation scriptures with discipleship ones.

 

[crossnote]

And just to whom is the New Covenant made?

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

That's what I said.

 

[Hoffco]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

To Crossnote, Sorry, BUT, Discipleship is Salvation. There is not free salvation with out holiness. Please keep Romans 6:22 and 6:23 together. The "EVIL", "IMMORAL " gospel of "faith only" is not true. The FREE gift has a moral cost for us to "pay", Repent , trust and obey, leads to eternal life. Rom.6:22 says: But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God" God's transformation of our sinful hearts is the "free gift". Salvation is not free, so we receieve it and are free to live as we want to, no way! BUT, sal. "frees" us from sin's bondage so we are "free" freed to live holiness, as our new nature, imparted to us, desires, we freely chose to obey. LOve to all, Hoffco ps This is sanctification begun, the radical brake from sin, and it is "imparted to us , not imputed to us, as Justification is the imputed righteousness, imputed to our acc, in Heaven. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[Scuba]

Yes, the laws written in stone are the same as those written in our hearts, God did not change or alter them.

The difference was explained by Christ's sermon on the mount (Matthew 5). The Pharisees knew the law, but misconstrued it for their own benefit. They might beat a person within an inch of their life, but not kill them, thereby technically keeping the law "thou shalt not murder". That to me is what Jesus meant when he said that you can commit adultery in your heart without actually committing the sin physically. Keeping the letter of the law did not necessarily make a persons heart right, because it often omitted the purpose of the law, which was to "love thy neighbor as thyself" jmo

Very, very and I must say it one more time, very cool...

 

[Scuba]

WOW! You three are in very "deep waters". To Scuba, You have a very sick mind ,to think that God's HOLY laws give us liberty to sin.

Where in the world did you get that idea?

 

[RedTent]

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QUOTE=Scuba;1602838]The Law on stone influenced the outward behavior of spiritually dead people through fear of punishment. The motive for following the principles of love and righteousness was fear

QUOTE] I have never seen a scripture anywhere advising us to read scripture only for outward behavior. Or read that all those from Moses to Christ were spiritually dead. Surely you don't include the prophets. I love the book of Isaiah because of it's teaching about always coming to God in spirit and truth.

You must have some basis for reporting that scripture tells us this, would you tell us about it?

 

[Apostol2013]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

25 For circumcision truly profits, if you keep the law: but if you be a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfill the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[Apostol2013]

25 For circumcision truly profits, if you keep the law: but if you be a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfill the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

You see the change of law was not the removal of the righteousness of it but the the sacrifices and harsh punishments nulifying the the harshness and strickness and constant rituals and i agree the lawis good and teaches us the right things to do and good behaviour to an extent , because what the law could not do Christ came to complete through the stoning cameddeath as a punishment but through faith in Jesus we are forgiven if we repent so am I against the righteousness of the heart , no God forbid for i am for order because we as children of righteousness know to do good through our new heart allways rejoicing rather i hope all of you did not misunderstand me the change of Law was to bring in mercy and blessings and to remove the curses and endless commands of do this touch not that we may serve a higher purpose , thank youy brethren as i have enjoyed my time with you and have learned with you as the same we have lear.ed together .

 

[john832]

Very well said! Mind if I steal this for future discussions?

Why certainly, help yourself.

 

[john832]

You seem to be mixing salvation scriptures with discipleship ones.

I didn't know that one had to compartmentalize them. I just read this...

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

and this...

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And thought it was true.

 

[john832]

Where in the world did you get that idea?

Hmmm, I have read nearly all of your posts (I might have missed a few) and never got that idea. I thought you advocated obedience to the Law.

 

[Hoffco]

You see the change of law was not the removal of the righteousness of it but the the sacrifices and harsh punishments nulifying the the harshness and strickness and constant rituals and i agree the lawis good and teaches us the right things to do and good behaviour to an extent , because what the law could not do Christ came to complete through the stoning cameddeath as a punishment but through faith in Jesus we are forgiven if we repent so am I against the righteousness of the heart , no God forbid for i am for order because we as children of righteousness know to do good through our new heart allways rejoicing rather i hope all of you did not misunderstand me the change of Law was to bring in mercy and blessings and to remove the curses and endless commands of do this touch not that we may serve a higher purpose , thank youy brethren as i have enjoyed my time with you and have learned with you as the same we have lear.ed together .

Thank you for this great post. It deserves to be a keeper. Would you please edit it and correct your spelling and wording so it will be easier to read. The many detailed ordinances God gave were certainly "bad" for the people's enjoyment of life. I love pork and it would be a punishment for me not to eat pork. And it is very obvious that the nation of Israel was made up of mostly unsaved people; But the more they obeyed God's holy, moral laws ,the happier they would be. The moral laws of God were certainly given to make them good people. The more the USA rejects God and His laws the worst things become. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[pickles]

I would ask a question of you, has the definition of sin changed for those who are converted?
Sins definition has not changed, but its hold, condmnation has for those who are now in grace.


This is the point being made, although please keep in mind that Im still learning.
Again, that law is for the lawless.
Those who have not been born into Jesus's spirit.
And yes, the law is written on the heart, but this is the law of love, God's love.
It is this love onto which all the comandments are based.
The differance is instead of looking to the law, which deminishes, we look to Jesus, live in His spirit which increases.
But in recieivng grace, does not mean we can sin more to recieve more grace, God forbid.
For one cannot serve two masters.

The differance is one who looks to the law for salvation, looks to flesh, for one cannot be saved by the law.
Otherwise , why did Jesus sacrifice His life ?
We in Jesus , look to Jesus live in His spirit, thus all is made in us.

In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God,
and in Him everything that was made was made.
And anything that was not, was not made.

For it is in Jesus's spirit that one is made perfect.
The law, cannot perfect, but it does bring us to know what is perfect, Jesus!
That is the perpose of every word, every scripture, to bring us to Jesus in faith.
So that by faith in Jesus, every word given, every scripture, its understanding will be known, made in us.

The real question should be, do we serve flesh?
Or in Jesus, Spirit?

God bless
pickles

 

[Kaycie]

Re: The Law written on tablets of stone and the Law written on the heart is the same

If I hold a wooden cross in the spotlight it will create a shadow. It will be the same shape- and yes, in that way it is the same law. However, it was just a shadow of the perfection to come. The shadow is not perfect cause I can only see it, I can't feel it. But the real cross is solid and perfect- I can see it and feel it, and there is therefore no purpose for me to have the shadow of it. The shadow cannot exist without the real cross, but the real cross can exist without the shadow. They did the same things physically in the old testament that we now do spiritually in the new testament. yes it is the same law- just done by different means.