BEWARE the Lawkeepers

[JaumeJ]

I see what you are saying. It is worthy of meditation. I am pasting in some comparative versions from e-Sword, in case you are interested.........(The Darby version is even more intriguing.)

Luk 13:32


(ASV)
And he said unto them, Go and say to that fox, Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures to-day and to-morrow, and the third day I am perfected.


(CEV)
Jesus said to them: Go tell that fox, "I am going to force out demons and heal people today and tomorrow, and three days later I'll be through."


(Darby)
And he said to them, Go, tell that fox, Behold, I cast out demons and accomplish cures to-day and to-morrow, and the third day I am perfected;


(DRB)
And he said to them: Go and tell that fox: Behold, I cast out devils and do cures, to-day and to-morrow, and the third day I am consummated.


(FDB)
Et il leur dit: Allez, dites à ce renard: Voici, je chasse des démons et j'accomplis des guérisons aujourd'hui et demain, et le troisième jour je suis consommé.


(FLS)
Il leur répondit: Allez, et dites à ce renard: Voici, je chasse les démons et je fais des guérisons aujourd'hui et demain, et le troisième jour j'aurai fini.


(HNT)
ויאמר אליהם לכו ואמרו אל־השועל הזה הנני מגרש שדים ופעל רפואות היום ומחר וביום השלישי אבא עד־קצי׃


(INR)
Ed egli disse loro: "Andate a dire a quella volpe: "Ecco, io scaccio i demòni, compio guarigioni oggi e domani, e il terzo giorno avrò terminato".


(IRL)
Ed egli disse loro: Andate a dire a quella volpe: Ecco, io caccio i demonî e compio guarigioni oggi e domani, e il terzo giorno giungo al mio termine.

Luke 13
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Just at that time some Pharisees approached, saying to Him, “Go away, leave here, for Herod wants to kill You.” [SUP]32 [/SUP]And He said to them, “Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I reach My goal.’

Not sure what the application is exactly, but this is an interesting verse anyway.

 

[JaumeJ]

This should be another thread, forgive my wandering off...............

I see what you are saying. It is worthy of meditation. I am pasting in some comparative versions from e-Sword, in case you are interested.........(The Darby version is even more intriguing.)

Luk 13:32


(ASV)
And he said unto them, Go and say to that fox, Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures to-day and to-morrow, and the third day I am perfected.


(CEV)
Jesus said to them: Go tell that fox, "I am going to force out demons and heal people today and tomorrow, and three days later I'll be through."


(Darby)
And he said to them, Go, tell that fox, Behold, I cast out demons and accomplish cures to-day and to-morrow, and the third day I am perfected;


(DRB)
And he said to them: Go and tell that fox: Behold, I cast out devils and do cures, to-day and to-morrow, and the third day I am consummated.


(FDB)
Et il leur dit: Allez, dites à ce renard: Voici, je chasse des démons et j'accomplis des guérisons aujourd'hui et demain, et le troisième jour je suis consommé.


(FLS)
Il leur répondit: Allez, et dites à ce renard: Voici, je chasse les démons et je fais des guérisons aujourd'hui et demain, et le troisième jour j'aurai fini.


(HNT)
ויאמר אליהם לכו ואמרו אל־השועל הזה הנני מגרש שדים ופעל רפואות היום ומחר וביום השלישי אבא עד־קצי׃


(INR)
Ed egli disse loro: "Andate a dire a quella volpe: "Ecco, io scaccio i demòni, compio guarigioni oggi e domani, e il terzo giorno avrò terminato".


(IRL)
Ed egli disse loro: Andate a dire a quella volpe: Ecco, io caccio i demonî e compio guarigioni oggi e domani, e il terzo giorno giungo al mio termine.

 

[Timeline]

Isaiah 34:10-17
[SUP]10 [/SUP]It will not be quenched night or day;
Its smoke will go up forever.
From generation to generation it will be desolate;
None will pass through it forever and ever.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But pelican and hedgehog will possess it,
And owl and raven will dwell in it;
And He will stretch over it the line of desolation
And the plumb line of emptiness.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Its nobles—there is no one there
Whom they may proclaim king—
And all its princes will be nothing.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thorns will come up in its fortified towers,
Nettles and thistles in its fortified cities;
It will also be a haunt of jackals
And an abode of ostriches.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The desert creatures will meet with the wolves,
The hairy goat also will cry to its kind;
Yes, the night monster will settle there
And will find herself a resting place.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The tree snake will make its nest and lay eggs there,
And it will hatch and gather them under its protection.
Yes, the hawks will be gathered there,
Every one with its kind.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Seek from the book of the Lord, and read:
Not one of these will be missing;
None will lack its mate.
For His mouth has commanded,
And His Spirit has gathered them.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]He has cast the lot for them,
And His hand has divided it to them by line.
They shall possess it forever;
From generation to generation they will dwell in it.

This scripture often attracts my attention, but I haven't really figured it out. It seems to indicate that we can search and find, but to tell the truth I don't really know what I am looking for. Also, as this scripture progresses, it seems to be more difficult to know what two things are "mate(d)". I am not sure if hairy goat is mated with the night monster. I can't tell if the tree snake is mated with the eggs or the hawks.

Anyway, I hope that one day I will know what in the world (or out of it) this verse is talking about.

Also, interestingly - No Fox here (unless I missed it)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is against the law, That is what Jesus was saying the law goes deeper than actions, it goes to the very thoughts. but Gods Grace changes even our thoughts.

Pro 16:3 Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established.

2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Praise God.

No, He was saying the law was not complete. it was lacking. It said do not commit adultry, So we could lust, and not sin according to the law. Jesus is telling them, (and us) if you think you are good and moral because you follow the law, you better think again, Because the law can not tell you truly moral you are. it was given just to prove you have sinned, and lead you to me (Christ).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is the same thinking of the Pharisees.

Matthew 23:25-28 KJV
(25) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
(26) Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
(27) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
(28) Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.


They thought as long as they don't do the outward act it was ok. The gospel is to work inside out, not just outward only.

thats because the law did not speak to all possible sins. it was not given for that reason, it was given only to lead us to Christ.

 

[gotime]

No, He was saying the law was not complete. it was lacking. It said do not commit adultry, So we could lust, and not sin according to the law. Jesus is telling them, (and us) if you think you are good and moral because you follow the law, you better think again, Because the law can not tell you truly moral you are. it was given just to prove you have sinned, and lead you to me (Christ).

you can only say this because you do not know the law and the prophets. If you did you would know that Jesus was not adding at all to them, it was always this way.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you can only say this because you do not know the law and the prophets. If you did you would know that Jesus was not adding at all to them, it was always this way.

you can only say this because you read what jesus said, if jesus had never said this you could NEVER know this. because it is not said in the actual words written on stone.

sorry bro. but your in trouble trying to prove this one.

 

[haz]

You have not answered my question. It looks like you are avoiding answering my question. So I will ask again, If the thief on the cross would have lived would he have kept the commandment "Thou Shalt not Kill'? A simple yes or no will do. I asked this question first, after you answer then I will answer your question.

I have answered your question. So either you have not read my post properly or you are trying to avoid answering my questions.
I'll post the answer again for you, below. I'll even highlight in purple color the part that addresses your question.

The law is much more than just the 10 commandments.
For those under the law righteousness is determined by perfect obedience to it.
The law has the death penalty for even just one offence (James 2:10).

But Christ's commandments to us has 2 commandments.
1John 3:23
1: Believe on Jesus (thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5)
2: Love one another.

Are these 2 laws different?
2Cor 3:7-11
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Heb 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Both these covenants cover issues such as stealing.
The old covenant demanded the death penalty for even just one offence. Righteousness was determined only if one kept the law perfectly.

But under the new covenant faith is counted for righteousness.
And under the new covenant Christians are not preaching condemnation under the old law. Instead we show the same love/grace to others as God showed to us. We forgive 7x70. And whilst a Christian's behavior improves, as we love one another (hence we do not steal, etc), in this imperfect physical world we do sometimes fail (or are you claiming to be perfect, Laodecia?). We do not profit by doing wrong as God disciplines us.

Note also how the Sabbath and dietary laws are not listed in Christ's commandments (1John 3:23).

So back to my questions.
I'm curious how you see the many Christians here who never keep the Saturday Sabbath?

Do you see Christians who do not have the works of the law that your doctrine demands, as "cripples"? Or do you see them as lost?

And as you use killing as an example, do you think God made a mistake in disciplining King David for his adultery and murder?
Being that you preach the law, what do you think God should have done to King David for his adultery/murder?

 

[haz]

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Only those who "doeth" righteousness are righteous.

1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin...

Unrighteousness = sin
righteousness = not sin.

Sin = breaking the law
not sin = keeping the law.

To do righteousness is to keep the law. Or do you not know that he was manifest to take away our sin?

Thanks gotime. I had suspected you were preaching the same message of condemnation that other SDA's preach and now you've confirmed it.

You preach that perfect obedience to the law is required or else we are not righteous.

This of course clearly implies that those with death bed salvation are truly blessed as their faith was counted for righteousness (Rom 4:5), whilst others who live on as Christians are required to do more by proving righteousness with perfect obedience to the law.

This doctrine you follow contradicts scripture.
Scripture confirms that to do righteousness is to believe on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

But SDA's contradict scripture by preaching a lukewarm mix works of the law with grace.
God says we cannot mix these two, Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

2Cor 11:3 rightly describes legalistic doctrines as corrupting minds from the simplicity that is in Christ.
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 

[2Thewaters]

Thanks gotime. I had suspected you were preaching the same message of condemnation that other SDA's preach and now you've confirmed it.


Scripture confirms that to do righteousness is to believe on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

But SDA's contradict scripture by preaching a lukewarm mix works of the law with grace.
God says we cannot mix these two, Rom 11:6


2Cor 11:3 rightly describes legalistic doctrines as corrupting minds from the simplicity that is in Christ.
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

the false gospel of simplicity in disobedience?
simply keep on sinning?
evil doctrines for sure.



dont know anything about SDA or what you are taling about

try reading your Bible

the Bible says righteousness is christ living in you the hope of glory and he does the commandments
so go reject Jesus Bible if you wish, that is the false delusion of once saved always saved while you keep sinning



We need divine enlightenment daily; we should pray as did David, "Open thou mine eyes that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law." God will have a people upon the earth who will vindicate his honor by having respect to all of his commandments; and his commandments are not grievous, not a yoke of bondage. David prayed in his day, "It is time for thee, Lord, to work; for they have made void thy law."

speaking against David shows me the character of the enemy.

 

[2Thewaters]

Thanks gotime. I had suspected you were preaching the same message of condemnation that other SDA's preach and now you've confirmed it.

You preach that perfect obedience to the law is required or else we are not righteous. .

this is garbage an false accusation so I know your real spirit now.


Those who make a raid against God's law are warring against God himself;

and many who are filled with the greatest bitterness against the commandment-keeping people of God,
make the loudest boast of living holy, sinless lives.

This can be explained only in one way:
they have no mirror in which to look to discover to themselves the deformity of their character.

They broke the mirror and call themselves clean

in judgement you will meet with the record.

Neither Joseph, Daniel, nor any of the apostles claimed to be without sin.

I do not claim to be sinless

I am obedient, not sinless

what are you?

disobedient and sinless?



Men who have lived nearest to God, men who would sacrifice life itself rather than to knowingly sin against him, men whom God has honored with divine light and power, have acknowledged themselves to be sinners, unworthy of his great favors. They have felt their weakness, and, sorrowful for their sins, have tried to copy the pattern Jesus Christ.

 

[2Thewaters]

I leave it up to Go to save us from the evil docttrines that will take out most christians,

KEEP ON SINNING AND YOU ARE GOING TO HEAVEN

False gospel indeed.

 

[2Thewaters]

you have a false gospel of the broad road to heaven

My Bible says to be perfectly obedient

no one claimed to be sinless, and to say so is being a liar.

we are sinners

we can only be saved by the blood of JEsus AND OBEDIENCE TO JESUS WORD

any other gospel is another gospel an let them be accursed says Paul.


"Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." -Hebrews 13:21.


"But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing." -James 1:4.


"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning." -James 1:17.


"But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed." -James 1:25.


"Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?" -James 2:22.


"For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body." -James 3:2.


"But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you." -1 Peter 5:10.


"Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world." -1 John 4:17.


"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." -1 John 4:18.


"Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God." -Revelation 3:2.


that is how faith is made perfect

Go rea your Bible and stop attacking christians

 

[2Thewaters]

Psa 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.


May Go remove all evil demons and false doctrines from this room

let us speak the truth
in the name of Jesus crhsit I ask these things.

Some people here ,
who make these pretentious claims,
apparently weaving Jesus into all their doings,
represent those who claim modern sanctification,

but
who are at war with the law of God.

stop your war against the Bible!

Christ calls them workers of iniquity,

because they are

they keep right on sinning claiming to be heaven bound

false gospel indeed.

because they are deceivers,

having on the garments of righteousness
to hide the deformity
of their constantly worldly beer drinking movie watching demon rapping characters,

exposing the inward wickedness of their unholy hearts.

Satan has come down in these last days,
to work with all deceivableness of unrighteousness
of commadment breaking
in them that perish.

The Satanic false anti-christ works miracles in the sight of false prophets,
in the sight of men,
claiming that he is indeed Christ himself.

Satan gives his power
to those
who are aiding him
in his deceptions;

therefore
those who claim
to have the great power of God
can only be expose
by the great LIE DETECTOR

The commandments of God

the law of Jehovah.

The Lord tells us
if it were possible
they would deceive
the very elect.

The sheep's clothing seems so real,
so genuine,
that the wolf cannot be discerned
only
as we go
God's great moral standard
the LAW OF LIBERTY FROM SIN
and there find
that they are transgressors
of the law of Jehovah.

And when they attack christians and twist the Bible and say they claim to be sinless
and lie
to discredit them
when no one has ever claimed to be sinless
well
there is the devil

 

[2Thewaters]

An I am not SDA

but I will not allow lies to discredit anyone
even catholics
that is not Jesus way.

 

[john832]

Now your talking of a different topic. Your talking about grace.

which is it? the law or grace, you can not have it both ways.

And here is your problem, you seem unable to understand that it is not an "either/or" it is an "and" conjunction here. Law AND Grace. The Law defines sin and thereby also shows what is righteousness. Grace is the forgiveness we receive when we transgress the Law.

 

[2Thewaters]

And here is your problem, you seem unable to understand that it is not an "either/or" it is an "and" conjunction here. Law AND Grace. The Law defines sin and thereby also shows what is righteousness. Grace is the forgiveness we receive when we transgress the Law.

absolutely not biblical

grace is the actul holy spirit dwelling in your heart to give you divine power to do right

 

[2Thewaters]

The blood of JESUS is what forgives us from sin


the false gospel churches have twisted the meaning of grace since they dont believe we need power to be good

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

 

[2Thewaters]

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.


Noah dint sin

he needed power to build the ark

 

[2Thewaters]

let me help you

"And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him." -Luke 2:40.

JESUS DI
DNT NEED FORGIVENESS OF SIN!
yet he was given grace

explain that?