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Hi timeline...do you think that there is an conflict between the creation account of Genesis and the theories put forward in an attempt to support the theory of evolution. Isn't it funny how the obvious genetic adaptation of the horse is put forward as evidence of evolution. I too would be intrigued to find an exhibit in a museum displaying evidence of evolution....let me know how you get on.
I am asking if there are evolutionary museums containing fossils like those we see in dinosaur museums. Instead of just written information and pictures (drawn, painted, or computer graphics)? Like I said, I found a list of museums featuring dinosaur fossils fairly easily, but I am having a difficult time finding any for evolution. If I want to see dinosaur bones there are several locations in my state where I can go and view them. But if I want to see the progression of evolution, I guess I have to go to the Smithsonian.
And I keep finding those same photos of partially to mostly refabricated 14 skulls.
And I keep finding those same photos of partially to mostly refabricated 14 skulls.
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Yes I do think there is a huge problem with their theories. If evolution were real there would be as much evidence for it as there is for dinosaurs. They would have so much evidence that they would be destroying some of it. But instead they are fabricating some of the few skulls that they hold so dearly. And as I have said before the medical world (diseases, deformities) could explain mystery skulls just as reasonably as evolution. We see people with strange skull formations all of the time. And I am sure that there are apes with deformed skulls as well. We've seen Siamese (not sure if that's how they spell that) twins, the elephant man, people with large heads, long heads, large cheek bones, protruding lower jaws....and they are alive and walk among us. And yet we are "missing" all of theses intermediary stages between apes and men.
I believe that Noah had collected the eggs of certain species like the reptiles when he gathered them up and brought them on the ark, and which he had gather the young of the rest of the animals. But since there were an abrupt climate change due to the flood and which causing everything to change as well. The eggs had hatched and the reptiles became dwarf. And there is a certain manuscript that show certain strange different plant life that had existed, some believe that it was a hoax of some sort, but it was probably showing a certain tribes of people that were living in a certain period; but how this person came upon this book? no one knows, but it could been revelation from a dream or whatever that was taken seriously, and or it could been copied from its original source like from a scroll or something.
The Voynich Gallery - The Complete Manuscript 1
The Voynich Gallery - The Complete Manuscript 1
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Oh, it's constant source of frustration to me. I'm a biblical creationist and I absolutely believe that evolutionary beliefs (theistic or not) create huge stumbling blocks for people who may consider Christ, for new Christians and even for the mature Christians. Theistic evolution requires great compromise. It's not necessarily a salvation issue (although, it can quickly become as slippery-slope to unbelief) but nor is creation/evolution a secondary issue within the Church.
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I fully agree, in fact I personally feel that a belief in Theistic Evolution requires you to park the scriptures on one side and rely on the imagination of man. Einstein made an interesting a very thought provoking statement when he said "imagination is more powerful than knowledge". Certainly in today's' openly God hating society when it comes to theories on mans origin the imagination of man seems to have deluded many. It's really hard to believe (and sad to see) that so many otherwise rational people seem to e prepared to stake so much on a theory which has no concrete evidence to back it up and what little evidence there is, is so shot through with holes that were it about any other subject, would be completely dismissed as fantasy.
such a grand delusion must surely be Satan's masterpiece.
such a grand delusion must surely be Satan's masterpiece.
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You're right Elin....it's truth we are all seeking....but as Gods word is Truth and bearing in mind that scripture should always be used to interpret scripture, a man made theory such as evolution which attacks the very foundations of scripture's veracity is something to be guarded against. Personally I can't see how a position of "theistic evolution " is sustainable......it's lukewarm and we all know about lukewarm?
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Elin, are you involved at all in evangelistic work?
my experience of working with young folk, especially in the student community is, that evolutionary theories are one, if not in fact the biggest, stumbling block to any serious acceptance of the Truth of Gods word.
NO CREATION, SO NO FALL, SO NO SIN, SO NO NEED FOR SALVATION AND NO TRUST THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT JUST A FAIRY STORY.
Ps I accept that only the Spirit moves a sinners hardened sinful heart to see through Satan's lies......I speak from experience.
my experience of working with young folk, especially in the student community is, that evolutionary theories are one, if not in fact the biggest, stumbling block to any serious acceptance of the Truth of Gods word.
NO CREATION, SO NO FALL, SO NO SIN, SO NO NEED FOR SALVATION AND NO TRUST THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT JUST A FAIRY STORY.
Ps I accept that only the Spirit moves a sinners hardened sinful heart to see through Satan's lies......I speak from experience.
I hear you loud and clear, and understand.
So what do you think of believing Scripture based on its reasonableness?
What do you think about only a minority believing Scripture is true?
Do you think evolution, et al, is the real reason only the minority believe Scripture?
This I also understand very well.
So what do you think of believing Scripture based on its reasonableness?
What do you think about only a minority believing Scripture is true?
Do you think evolution, et al, is the real reason only the minority believe Scripture?
This I also understand very well.
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That is not the only scenario if evolution is true.
Humanity can still be a sinner, and still be in need of salvation, and Jesus can still come to earth as a savior if it so happens that the earliest humans were more then two and did not come into existence through some supernatural process (such as being formed from dirt and rib).
I believe it is self evident already that we are a fallen species, since we can see so much evil in the present day (and also in the past), that we are in need of a savior. And I don't think it rests on whether or not sin came into the world through two individuals. Because if humans first went against God's wishes at a time period in which there was more then just two of us, does that negate our sinful nature and necessity of Jesus? I think not.
Humanity can still be a sinner, and still be in need of salvation, and Jesus can still come to earth as a savior if it so happens that the earliest humans were more then two and did not come into existence through some supernatural process (such as being formed from dirt and rib).
I believe it is self evident already that we are a fallen species, since we can see so much evil in the present day (and also in the past), that we are in need of a savior. And I don't think it rests on whether or not sin came into the world through two individuals. Because if humans first went against God's wishes at a time period in which there was more then just two of us, does that negate our sinful nature and necessity of Jesus? I think not.
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Everyone is born sinful because they're born of the line of Adam and Eve. Jesus was the only one not born sinful (being born God in the flesh) but when He came to earth, He came born of the human bloodline. Without a literal Adam and Eve, you can't have a fall into sin that affects everyone and everything. You need a literal Jesus Christ, born of this bloodline, to atone for humanity's sins and to put to death - sin, death and the influences of the Enemy. Eve was 'born' of Adam too, so she could be included in this master plan of salvation. So she, Adam and all their descendants could be included in God's family, if only they accepted the grace God presented them with.
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