Why is that we are in bondage?

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Hashe said:
As per the scriptures, the law keeps people in bondage, when you focus on that you focus on bondage.
Jesus gives freedom, when you focus on Jesus you have freedom.
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Freedom to break the Law? Freedom to commit murder, adultery or idolatry?
 
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Flamingspirit said:
Why do people who go to church on Sundays say that Saturday goers are under the law and bondage? Because they say that all Sunday church goers are breaking the law and therefore doomed to the lake. This will never stop as long as you feel you have the power according to the law to defraud a Sunday goer. Therefore we bite and devour one another in a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye.

Matthew 5:38-48

[SUP]38 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
[SUP]39[/SUP]But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
[SUP]46[/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
[SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Say you are right. What harm are they doing in going to church to worship God on a Sunday? Now I don't know about you all, but I need God everyday!

Now does God dwell in any building made with human hands (bricks and stones)? If No, then there is no "buts" with that.
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What it comes down to is will one do what God says to do?
 
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Red Tent the veil was rent it was broken,torn Jesus said himself it is finished. If he said it is finished what was he referring to? Come on you talk of understanding this is basic scripture am I to believe you over Jesus and his own words? Or are you trying to say he meant other than what he said. No we have Not always had mercy that is incorrect there was no mercy under the law. The law was the law if you broke the law you suffered the consequences for the offense against the law.
And we are not to continue to beat dead horses they will never rise. Mute issues that gender strife and do not edify is not profitable for the body. Here is a thought for you some of Gods business is still Gods business he allows us to know certain things and other things remain a mystery!!
Finished meant finished.. Years of prophecy that the Messiah would come he came completed his work in the earth up until that point. He fulfilled the prophecy up until his death! He then left us with a new covenant as the old one was finished so who is in error? In all your getting get understand then you can stand under this word.
You believe as others and must be renewed in your thinking as others. I will say if I be wrong Lord forgive my error, but I am assured that the word is literal as well as figurative not just allegorical or symbolic. Jesus said it is finished gave up the Ghost and his earthly position and died. He then arose and in his resurrection he did away with anymore sacrifices of animals for he was the ultimate sacrifice so that covenant died with him and was buried with him upon his resurrection was a new covenant established that we would continue to walk in with the assistance of the Holy Spirit in the earth and in our hearts..
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OK, what was Christ referring to when He said it is finished? His own words...

Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
 
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Hashe says don't worry about keeping the Law and Jesus Christ says...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

I gotta go with Christ on this one.
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Me thinks you cut the passage a bit short.
In 19:20 the young man says, 'I have kept all these', and yet JEsus says it isn't enough.
Perhaps you should be reading the whole of scripture - not just proof texting.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

1. The law requires perfect obedience, anything short of this requires a curse (death)
2. You are not perfect. So you must continue to strive to be perfect if you are going to follow the law (and to be honest, even then you would not be perfect. Only think you are)
3. Sine you are not perfect. And are following the law. You are in bondage to keep following the law. or fear you have failed(as those who think you an lose salvation must do, the ones who do not think they are ok by the law. but are fooled into this thinking)

or you can come out of bondage and be adopted by God himself., and he can become your abba father
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OK, so you say the Law is done away and these scriptures just become meaningless?

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

And sin is...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

this all sounds great, but is nothing but human Good.

Gods day is every day. the sabbath day was our day (a Day of rest) not for G0Ds benefit, but for our own.

if you can;t get this basic fact straight, maybe you should rethink you doctrines.
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And yet God Himself say that HE HALLOWED a particular day...

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Now show me the quote where God says I UNHALLOW the seventh day.
 
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Me thinks you cut the passage a bit short.
In 19:20 the young man says, 'I have kept all these', and yet JEsus says it isn't enough.
Perhaps you should be reading the whole of scripture - not just proof texting.
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He plainly identifies these as the Ten Commandments and says if you will enter into life keep them. Now go ahead and read on and show me where it negates the keeping of the Commandments. I will surely be waiting.
 
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OK, so you say the Law is done away and these scriptures just become meaningless?
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join your sister red tent in showing me where I ever said the law is done away with.
 
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And yet God Himself say that HE HALLOWED a particular day...

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Now show me the quote where God says I UNHALLOW the seventh day.
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show me one verse where God says we can work on the 7th day
 
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Acts 2:46. They met from house to house every day of the week. Jesus is the sabbath, Monday through Sunday. One regards one day above others. Another regards every day alike. Romans 14:5
 
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What does Paul say about following the law?
Paul says he was blameless under the law - he followed it perfectly, and yet it thought that was nothing. Instead all he wanted to do was to know Jesus, to have relationship with Jesus (Phil 3:6-8)
 
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Me thinks you cut the passage a bit short.
In 19:20 the young man says, 'I have kept all these', and yet JEsus says it isn't enough.
Perhaps you should be reading the whole of scripture - not just proof texting.
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When Jesus said it isn't enough it would be putting words in Jesus' mouth to say instead to the young man that you are not to keep the law. We know from reading on in scripture that we are to take our sins to Christ so He can cleanse us from them and even when we do our best to keep the law we still need Christ. We are told BOTH that it isn't enough and to keep the law.
 
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acts 15..[SUP]10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."

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[SUP][SUP]5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."

make up your minds, full law, or part of the law, or grace a gift.

only a jew, is to follow the full, law. why did paul not/ or could have said, we will keep the 10 comandments in place, yet opts for verse 11.

Why is that we are in bondage? I am a gentile. ( when did he give us the law of moses, or 10 commandments..).


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Hashe said:
What does Paul say about following the law?
Paul says he was blameless under the law - he followed it perfectly, and yet it thought that was nothing. Instead all he wanted to do was to know Jesus, to have relationship with Jesus (Phil 3:6-8)
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So he started to blatantly break the Law?
 
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royalscot said:
acts 15..[SUP]10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."

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[SUP][SUP]5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."

make up your minds, full law, or part of the law, or grace a gift.

only a jew, is to follow the full, law. why did paul not/ or could have said, we will keep the 10 comandments in place, yet opts for verse 11.

Why is that we are in bondage? I am a gentile. ( when did he give us the law of moses, or 10 commandments..).


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So murder, idolatry, lying, stealing is fine for Gentiles? Glad you and I are not neighbors.
 
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john832 said:
So he started to blatantly break the Law?
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no he started to look to the spirit. and continued not to break the law, only this time not out for self gain, but for the glory of God. or do the other sins not covered by the law.
 
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john832 said:
So murder, idolatry, lying, stealing is fine for Gentiles? Glad you and I are not neighbors.
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according to romans 1 it was not fine for ANYONE even before the law was given.

so not sure of your point.
 
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