When does the rapture occur?

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watcher2013

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Yes, I reject judgment "in the regeneration," because the text does not state "in the regeneration,
but "at the regeneration."

"In" the regeneration is in the new heavens and earth.

"At" the regeneration is at the time of the end events--second coming, resurrection, rapture, judgment, new heavens and new earth.

I do not reject judgment at the regeneration.
so you reject what Jesus said with certainty...
Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
 
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Elin said:
And the previous state of the earth is pre-Adam, when there was no decay.

That is the only other state without decay, which is also the state of the new heavens and new earth.
I'm okay with this...

Pre-Sin Adam state. original creation.
So we are in agreement that restoration is to the new heavens and new earth.

Are we in agreement that the new heaven and new earth is eternity?

Paul links creation's liberation from decay (new heavens and new earth) with
the glorious freedom of the children of God. (Ro 8:21)

You link the glorious freedom of the children of God with the millennium.

So the millennium is in eternity of the new heavens and new earth?
 
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Here you are again with your nonsense...

Let start anew...

Do you reject that Jesus MUST reign and those who followed him shall judge the twelve tribes of Israel in the regeneration (mat 19:28, like 22:30, I cor 15:25)?

Regeneration being (After Jesus comes-whenever that maybe)
Addressed in post #240, previous.
 
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so you reject what Jesus said with certainty...
Mat 19:28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Addressed in post #240, previous.
 
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You are dead wrong about this. Look at the meaning of "RESTORE" Do you restore a home by demolishing it and building a brand new one? Or do you gut it and put in new plumbing, drywall, paint and a kitchen etc?
The Greek word used in Mt 19:28 is not "restoration," but "regeneration."

"Regeneration" is re-creation, as in the new heavens and new earth.
 
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P.S.:

Yes, I reject judgment "in the regeneration," because the text does not state "in the regeneration,
but "at the regeneration."

"In" the regeneration is in the new heavens and earth.

"At" the regeneration is at the time of the end events--second coming, resurrection, rapture, judgment, new heavens and new earth.

I do not reject judgment at the regeneration.
The word "regeneration" used in Mt 19:28 (paligge) means "re-creation,"
which is the new heavens and new earth of eternity.

I reject judgment in the new heavens and new earth of eternity.
 
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So what we have in Mt 19:28; Ro 8:21; 2Pe 3:10-13

is a regeneration; i.e., re-creation, which is the new heavens and new earth,

which is eternity.

There is no millennium and no judgment in eternity.

Mt 21:18; Ro 8:21; 2Pe 3:10-13 do not support a restoration to a pre-Noahic earth,

nor a temporal millennium in this non-existent pre-Noahic earth, nor

in the new heavens and new earth.
 
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p_rehbein

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February 30th, 2019 at 12:01AM

any more questions?
 
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Apostol2013

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4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word (o. logos) of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.


6 Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

Apostol2013

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Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
 

Apostol2013

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Well not arguing but rapture is not mentioned but resurrection was preached by Jesus and the apostles but rapture began being preached in the 1800s
 
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Well not arguing but rapture is not mentioned but resurrection was preached by Jesus and the apostles but rapture began being preached in the 1800s
The meeting of the Lord in the air by the saints (1Th 4:17) is what is meant by the rapture.

In the Greek it is harpazo, the English "rapture" comes from the Latin translation of harpazo.