Uncovering The Mysteries

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The bible is written in parables and symbolic language. It is written that way to conceal the mysteries of the kingdom from the world and to reveal it to us.

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
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Using the verses below, I want to show you how to learn what the symbols mean.

Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
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New wine is a symbolic phrase used in several places in the bible. Acts:2 gives us the meaning of new wine. New wine is the Holy Spirit.

Now, since we know the meaning of new wine when we see it mentioned in other places in the bible we don't have to guess as to what it means. Now apply that to the book of Joel.

Joe 1:1 The word of the LORD that came to Joel the son of Pethuel.
Joe 1:2 Hear this, ye old men, and give ear, all ye inhabitants of the land. Hath this been in your days, or even in the days of your fathers?
Joe 1:3 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation.
Joe 1:4 That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.
Joe 1:5 Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth.
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Why were the drunkards to weep and howl?
 
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KJV1611 said:
The bible is written in parables and symbolic language. It is written that way to conceal the mysteries of the kingdom from the world and to reveal it to us.

Using the verses below, I want to show you how to learn what the symbols mean.

New wine is a symbolic phrase used in several places in the bible. Acts:2 gives us the meaning of new wine. New wine is the Holy Spirit.

Now, since we know the meaning of new wine when we see it mentioned in other places in the bible we don't have to guess as to what it means. Now apply that to the book of Joel.

Why were the drunkards to weep and howl?
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Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. I thought this was said in mocking - saying they were drunk and that is why Peter said "For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day".
The mockers thought they were drunk.
 
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Exactly... the true meaning of new wine is obscured to the unbelieving world. :)

Did you notice that Peter didn't dispute the fact that they were full of new wine? He just said they were not drunken.
That's the way God works... every word matters.
 
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Peacefulbeliever brings up a good point that I should have mentioned in the OP. The Holy Spirit through the mockers told us that the people were full of new wine. Of course they had no idea what the implications of that statement was. There are many instances in the bible where the Holy Spirit speaks through scoffers or unbelievers to establish a truth.


The Holy Spirit thru the Jews prophesied that the kingdom was about to be taken from the Jews and given to the gentiles The Jews had no idea what was about to happen.
Joh 7:35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?

Here the Holy Spirit thru the high priest prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation. Again Caiaphas had no idea what he was saying.
Joh 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. Joh 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
 
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KJV1611 said:
Peacefulbeliever brings up a good point that I should have mentioned in the OP. The Holy Spirit through the mockers told us that the people were full of new wine. Of course they had no idea what the implications of that statement was. There are many instances in the bible where the Holy Spirit speaks through scoffers or unbelievers to establish a truth.

The Holy Spirit thru the Jews prophesied that the kingdom was about to be taken from the Jews and given to the gentiles The Jews had no idea what was about to happen.
Joh 7:35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?

Here the Holy Spirit thru the high priest prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation. Again Caiaphas had no idea what he was saying.
Joh 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. Joh 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
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How does the Holy Spirit speak through unbelievers if they have not the Spirit of God in them?
 
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How does the Holy Spirit speak through unbelievers if they have not the Spirit of God in them?
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In scripture you'll find God using all kinds of people to accomplish his will.

He always remains sovereign.

God once even spoke through a donkey... I doubt the donkey was "saved".
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How does the Holy Spirit speak through unbelievers if they have not the Spirit of God in them?
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I think your confusing the indwelling of the Holy Spirit with operation of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God, he can and does whatever he wants.

If you think it's not the Holy Spirit then who spoke through Caiaphas in Joh 11:51? Caiaphas didn't speak it of his own.

Joh 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
 
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In scripture you'll find God using all kinds of people to accomplish his will.

He always remains sovereign.

God once even spoke through a donkey... I doubt the donkey was "saved".
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Duh... I don't know why I didn't think of that one! I don't think the donkey was saved lol.
 
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I think your confusing the indwelling of the Holy Spirit with operation of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God, he can and does whatever he wants.

If you think it's not the Holy Spirit then who spoke through Caiaphas in Joh 11:51? Caiaphas didn't speak it of his own.

Joh 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
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I wasn't speaking of the high priest but of the 'scoffers and unbelievers'. God speaks to us via his Spirit that dwells in us. God works through his Spirit that dwells in us. If one is not born of the Spirit then the Spirit of God does not dwell in that person.
Originally posted by Maxwel "God once even spoke through a donkey... I doubt the donkey was "saved"."
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:) I know that God once spoke through a donkey . . . haven't heard of him doing it since . . . . have you? :)
 
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I don't think the donkey was saved lol.
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did Balaam's donkey need a savior?
i am not aware of any donkey in Eden being beguiled by the serpent.

the whole earth was cursed for the sake of human sin, but was every animal also sentenced to damnation? is it written somewhere "the burros and the oliphaunts have rejected my testimony and dwell in darkness" ?

i've never read the donkey scriptures or heard the revelation of God's will for donkeys. .. so i'm not prepared to say "all donkeys go to hell"

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I wasn't speaking of the high priest but of the 'scoffers and unbelievers'. God speaks to us via his Spirit that dwells in us. God works through his Spirit that dwells in us. If one is not born of the Spirit then the Spirit of God does not dwell in that person.

:) I know that God once spoke through a donkey . . . haven't heard of him doing it since . . . . have you? :)
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Peacefulbeliever Caiaphus was not a born again believer, he didn't have the Holy Spirit indwelling him.
 
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Wow, I really thought new wine representing the Holy Spirit was a given.:confused:
 
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Wow, I really thought new wine representing the Holy Spirit was a given.:confused:
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new wine - gleukos - the sweet juice pressed the grape, sweet wine used 1x in Acts 1:13 In the context of Acts 2 it is speaking of wine . . . . period.

And concerning Caiaphus . . . I am not aware of his status as a believer or an unbeliever . . . . He and Annas were high priest - not sure of their qualifications . . . . nor their personal relationship with God.
 
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new wine - gleukos - the sweet juice pressed the grape, sweet wine used 1x in Acts 1:13 In the context of Acts 2 it is speaking of wine . . . . period.

And concerning Caiaphus . . . I am not aware of his status as a believer or an unbeliever . . . . He and Annas were high priest - not sure of their qualifications . . . . nor their personal relationship with God.
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I'm assuming that you see no spiritual significance in new wine. Do you think Jesus in Luke is giving us a lesson in how to store our wine or is there more to it?

Luk 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.
 
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Using the verses below, I want to show you how to learn what the symbols mean...........................
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Arrogant people annoy me.
 
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How can a person be drunk on new wine? Isn't new wine just grape juice?
I haven't studied this word, but I have heard this from others.

If new wine is non-alcoholic, then this is certainly God using unbelievers to say the Truth even when mocking, just as he did to the Jews often during Christ's earthly ministry, and specifically during His trial and Crucifixion.

If new wine really is alcoholic, then I cannot be sure of this passage being spiritualized in such a way, as it isn't systematic enough. The parallel is not obvious.
 
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Arrogant people annoy me.
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I'm arrogant because I know something you don't know and I'm trying to explain it to you????
What a rude comment man... you know absolutely nothing about my motivations.
 
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How can a person be drunk on new wine? Isn't new wine just grape juice?
I haven't studied this word, but I have heard this from others.

If new wine is non-alcoholic, then this is certainly God using unbelievers to say the Truth even when mocking, just as he did to the Jews often during Christ's earthly ministry, and specifically during His trial and Crucifixion.

If new wine really is alcoholic, then I cannot be sure of this passage being spiritualized in such a way, as it isn't systematic enough. The parallel is not obvious.
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New wine is non-alcoholic. The contrast to new wine is alcoholic old wine. Here's the same contrast from the bible. This is how God speaks to us.
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Think about this...*leaven* has to be added to new wine to make it ferment (corrupt).
I can assure you the mountains are not going to drop down corrupt alcoholic wine.

Joe_3:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.
 
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Yes, after researching it, the mockers either mistakenly said 'new wine' as provoked by God to do,
or they were using irony, saying something to the effect of 'these guys got drunk on soda'. (Basicly calling them lightweights)
 
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Yes, after researching it, the mockers either mistakenly said 'new wine' as provoked by God to do,
or they were using irony, saying something to the effect of 'these guys got drunk on soda'. (Basicly calling them lightweights)
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Either way, the fact was established that they were filled with new wine... which is what God intended to be conveyed and Peter did not dispute it.
 
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