Did you know the early church never gathered on Sunday?

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homwardbound

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Sorry for the Long post everyone, but i hope someone read it entirely.


John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

God Bless
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.
 

homwardbound

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Originally Posted by homwardbound
Sister you believe right? I know you do, and who is it that teaches us, man or God himself for god's purpose not ours, even though ours can and has, and does get in the way from time to time, and we all get the flesh attitude of I am right and you over there are wrong, which to me id just plain wrong.
I am learning and seeing to just trust God to teach us as for he is our teacher after it is all said and done right?

Hebrews 8:11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[SUP]11 [/SUP]and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

So Sister I just love as Christ has and does already, thank you, just take all to Father and listen and do as you believe, Father is righteous and will keep us well, whether one worships this day or that? I know you don't think God to be a tyrant right?
According to some the bible verse you quoted does not apply to gentile Christians because of Hebrews 8:10 which said "this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel..." :)
For those who do believe it applies does not imply they indeed belong to the house of Israel.
The Pharisees probably believed as much as Paul that they belong but did they know the Lord?
Yeah, heard that before, I am adopted to Yehweh by Yesuah, and am forever thankful to the mercies of God (Yehweh) to all. Anything can be sliced, diced and cubed, missing the whole picture of truth, God (Yehweh) plain and simply just loves us all. If not why did Yeshua (Jesus) come here in the first place and die for us, then rise to give us new life here and now in Spirit and truth? to live as he lived in love to all
 

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Yep, to each side and bottom line is then of one's flesh attitudes, you think, and possibly not of what god might want said you think?
For in Matt 10, disciples are told to:

Matthew 10:16-20Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Being a believer are we disciples, so do these verses apply to us?
AND So is this:

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Tell me homewardbound....
What church/assembly do you attend?

Do you worship with the assembly? or do you have the manner of some?
 

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It is quite obvious that the Sabbath is not important to you. It is your prerogative. Do not cry to Jesus at judgement day.
So from your statement:

Following/ Observing the Sabbath now becomes a requirement for salvation?
 

vic1980

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1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.
Amen to that He first Love us :)

1 John 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Thank God for the new covenant :)
 
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Brandon911

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So from your statement:

Following/ Observing the Sabbath now becomes a requirement for salvation?
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Keeping the Sabbath IS NOT a requirement for salvation. The Sabbath has been around since God created this earth and humans and it has not changed. One should keep the Sabbath out of love for God. God clearly states in the bible"if you love me keep my commandments".
 

vic1980

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Amen to that He first Love us :)

1 John 3:23 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Thank God for the new covenant :)
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

May God Bless you all
 

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The first ekklesia didn't do a lot things modern churchianity does today. Where do u want to begin?
 

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17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; note

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee
According to some the bible verse you quoted does not apply to gentile Christians because of Hebrews 8:10 which said "this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel..." :)For those who do believe it applies does not imply they indeed belong to the house of Israel.
The Pharisees probably believed as much as Paul that they belong but did they know the Lord?
 

Apostol2013

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6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. note

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.


8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
 

Apostol2013

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The new testament covenant is applicable to all for we be of Jesus veiled by the holy Ghost unto life
 

homwardbound

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AND So is this:

Heb 10:25Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Tell me homewardbound....
What church/assembly do you attend?

Do you worship with the assembly? or do you have the manner of some?
Thanks for asking,

Hebrews 8, real clear on the true Church God built not man, And I attend all types her eon internet, out in public, Bible studies, am ready in season and out of season to give an account for the joy, peace and righteousness that is in me, by God and none other, this as an ambassador, stating if you don't like it here, go in the Spirit of truth of Father of Yeshua, (Jesus) and rest in Heaven having fellowship with all the Saints in Spirit and truthm where Yeweh can only be worshiped truthfully.
John 4:23=24
 

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TO vic1980 post #107 greetings


"God people in the old testament did gather on sunday and saturday."

lets check verses to see why IT WAS.


-Exodus 12:6 should be verse 16, found some more for you.

2-This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

the romans made and changed the calander, away from the way God made for us,
theY could not get there pagan dates to lineup right with the Jewesh calander.

the jews where given the oracales of God, to us for use to study.

- (And in the first day) , is not the first day of the week here,
but the first day of the holy convocation, any week day depend on year.

- now Gods holy convocations are a floating holidays execept the Sabbath day,
God made them to change every year, they do not fall on same days.

- Gods months started in spring, month called Nisan, days changed weekdays every year.

Leviticus 23:2 starts all of Gods very special Holy convocations to Him our God.

2Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning (the feasts of the Lord),
which ye shall proclaim (to be holy convocations), even these are (my feasts).

- it says Gods feasts made by God for God, a Holy convocation to the Lord.

3Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is (the sabbath of rest), (an holy convocation);
ye shall do no work therein: it is (the sabbath of the Lord) in all your dwellings.

4These are (the feasts of the Lord), (even holy convocations),which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

-44And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the Lord.

Passover and unleavened bread.

12For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night,
13And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are
14And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to

the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it (a feast) by (an ordinance) (for ever).

43And the Lord said unto Moses and Aaron, This is (the ordinance of the passover):
There shall no stranger eat thereof:

48And when (a stranger) shall sojourn with thee, (and will keep the passover to the Lord),
let all his (males be circumcised), and (then let him come near) and keep it;
and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for (no uncircumcised person) shall eat thereof.

16 And in the first day there shall be (an holy convocation),
and in the seventh day there shall be (an holy convocation) to you

17And ye shall observe (the feast of unleavened bread); for in this selfsame day have I brought
your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations
by (an ordinance) (for ever).

9And it shall be for (a sign unto thee) (upon thine hand), and for (a memorial) (between thine eyes),
that (the Lord's law) may be in (thy mouth): for with a strong hand hath the Lord brought thee out of Egypt.

- a sign to us apon hand, for a memoral between our eyes.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


New Testament

Luke 22:1 (KJV)
Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called (the Passover).

Matthew 26:17 (KJV)
Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him,
Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?

Mark 14:12 (KJV)
And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him,
Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

-and commanded his church to keep them.

24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:
this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying,
This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

- and his church keep them after he died and was raised.

Acts 12:3 (KJV)
And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also.
(Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

Acts 20:6 (KJV)
And we sailed away from Philippi after (the days of unleavened bread),
and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.

- so we should put away sin or unleavened

1 Corinthians 5:7 (KJV)
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened.
For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

1 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV)
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.


The Ressurection

Luke 24:1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

- Sabbath just passed,going to work to anoint Jesus body,not even knowing He wasen't there

John 20:1 (KJV)
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, (when it was yet dark),
unto the sepulchre, (and seeth) (the stone taken away) from the sepulchre.

- this says before even anylite, still dark, Jesus was gone, and was not a sunrise service.

Road to Emmaus

13And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus,
which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs

- gossip and comotion going everywhere in the city,


(Mark 16:19-20;) yes they worshiped the risen savior with joy i would to, Amen
but there is no command or planned meeting,it just fell on first day week that year,

- now lets look at (Acts 1:6-11)

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread,

- breaking bread is eating a meal, yes they gave thanks and ate, but not a regilious sabbath.

now the sabbath just ended at dark, they came to eat food, planning to leave at daylite,
he had a chance to preach somemore, after things upstars it was midnight,only about 4 hours dark,
Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
They broke bread on the first day to eat, while preaching the gospel of the Kingdom.

God Bless
 

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And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts

So which scripture says they didn't gather on a Sunday?
 

JaumeJ

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Those who truly believe will congregate in worship any day, but the Seventh Day is appointed by God only. Man will never change the order of creation, nor the coming thousand years, try as he may. It is not of God to change what He has been teaching us since Adam.
 
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The Sabbath change, from Saturday to Sunday, had to happen because God prophesied it would. In order to make this change happen there has to be some tweaking of Scripture to get the people of God to fall for the change, which the Bible was tweaked and the people of God did fall for it. The early church never gathered on Sunday, it's a delusion.
Christianity was against the law back then, and so they had to group up in secretly and whenever they can to meet up without drawing someones attention.
 
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Those who truly believe will congregate in worship any day, but the Seventh Day is appointed by God only. Man will never change the order of creation, nor the coming thousand years, try as he may. It is not of God to change what He has been teaching us since Adam.
You are no brighter than red, if you think that every command God gave was meant for everybody. Why can you people not get it thru your uncircumsized heart and ears that God wasn't talking to you? You are not Israel. God spoke to you thru Paul.
 

JaumeJ

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Those who truly believe will congregate in worship any day, but the Seventh Day is appointed by God only. Man will never change the order of creation, nor the coming thousand years, try as he may. It is not of God to change what He has been teaching us since Adam.
You are no brighter than red, if you think that every command God gave was meant for everybody. Why can you people not get it thru your uncircumsized heart and ears that God wasn't talking to you? You are not Israel. God spoke to you thru Paul.
Try reading the post and understanding what is said. The only point being made is this. God rested on the Seventh Dayi and He hallowed it..........the creation sequence. Are you telling me you changed it? Pay attention before ...................

And yes, in the narration of the creation, God is talking to all mankind. Try to understand what you are responding to before posting, and may God bless you with the wisdom to respond after understanding, amen.
 

vic1980

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Those who truly believe will congregate in worship any day, but the Seventh Day is appointed by God only. Man will never change the order of creation, nor the coming thousand years, try as he may. It is not of God to change what He has been teaching us since Adam.
In agreement with you JaumeJ, The church in acts came together as a congregate day by day .

The Fellowship of Belivers.

Acts 2:46 Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart,

Acts 2:47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.

Daniel the Prophet understood this also, just as many here understand.

Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel knew that the document was signed, he entered his house (now in his roof chamber he had windows open toward Jerusalem); and he continued kneeling on his knees three times a day, praying and giving thanks before his God, as he had been doing previously.

God is Good
 

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The Error of Primitivism

Primitivism is that the history of the early Church is normative.

Logically then, one would refuse to have electric lights, because the early Church didn't have them.

One must distinguish between historical and didactic passages. At Philippi there were 2 women quarreling, that doesn't mean, "Go thou & do likewise." Euodia & Syntyche (Good-smellie & Lucky).

One may derive an application from any passage, but control applications with propositional passages.