Jesus is God

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In John 10:30 Jesus did equate himself with God the father. The same reason they wanted to stone Him back in John 8:58
John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.

Are we the Father too?
 

sacraig67

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In this verse he is talking about the churches unity. As the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one the church (as in all believers) are to be one unified body by the blood of Christ
 

sacraig67

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OK so tell me if this is right. Someone can give you some type of reputation thing if they like what you wrote or something? Sorry a bit off subject but had to find out.
 

posthuman

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OK so tell me if this is right. Someone can give you some type of reputation thing if they like what you wrote or something? Sorry a bit off subject but had to find out.
pretty much. like, a step beyond clicking "like" although you don't have to click "like" to be able to add to reputation, and giving reputation is semi-anonymous but clicking "like" leaves your name.

i think it has something to do with whether or not you can see their name reading the post too - like if they have higher reputation than you, all you see is "user browsing post" instead of their name. (?)
 

sacraig67

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I don't know seems kinda childish. Haha I have a better rep than you. If I am here for a rep then I am here for the wrong reason. I think 1000 rep for all up us! Yay! OK I'm done....back to the point
 

sacraig67

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Unity in Christ for the church is what Jesus is praying about in john 17:11. Also see Romans 12:4-5
 

sacraig67

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But look at John 17:11 again. When Jesus says "...as we are one" what do you think that means?
 
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  • Ephesians 4:4 (KJV)

    There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
THIS is the heart of scripture, and also zeroes in on the problem man has had understanding God from the beginning. Man has wanted to divide people by race. From the first, man has taken what they knew of the one true God and tried to create a God for themselves instead. So God created a race to use to train man, and from the first (if you will do a search of scripture) God instructed to keep themselves open to all men who wanted to make Him their God. He told them over and over He was for the "strangers among you", too.

This training always included blood, the blood of Christ was always at the heart of knowing God. It was at the heart of sacrifices required for atonement, and atonement rather than full salvation was the best it could do, but it was always only through Christ. It was always grace that worked, never works that worked. It was always through faith and God as our power for living and salvation.

Because God tells us how to live in the best way possible, and our faith can't be kept completely separated from how we live out that faith, there is a terrible mix up in people's minds. When God assigned man to explain how things changed when Christ lived with us and wasn't represented in the sacrifices, the building of the temple, and the Levi priesthood any longer, and we were given the Holy Spirit so we didn't have to have the rituals to remind us any more, people are completely mixed up on knowing God. When they are told it isn't through certain customs they must live but in spirit and truth and the Holy Spirit, they say it is through denying and cancelling all God's word before Christ we should live in Christ. They call it Judaism and say all Judaism kills!!! These people separate Christ from the unity of God. They say it is ONLY through Christ, and if you recognize anything else of God, anything!!, you are denying Christ.

When Christ is taught as the key to our salvation, when the real Christ is shown who is one with God, all these offshoots of adding or taking away of scripture iron out and we have the true Christ and are saved through His blood!
 
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SIMPLE

One GOD manifest three ways just like you are...
MIND, BODY and SPIRIT

Father--->The Intellect/MIND
Jesus---->THE BODY
Holy SPIRIT---> THE SPIRIT

Not that difficult at the end of the day.......!
 

sacraig67

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Dc you got that rite. It's actually pretty simple if you are willing to open your mind and let the Holy Spirit teach you. If you close your mind God isn't gonna force it open. Well except in cases like Paul.
 

jb

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It is hard to explain but Jesus is God...
Really?

I've never found it hard to explain it or understand it, His deity (and divinity) is EVERYWHERE in the Scriptures!

Yahweh Shalom
 

JimmieD

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SIMPLE

One GOD manifest three ways just like you are...
MIND, BODY and SPIRIT

Father--->The Intellect/MIND
Jesus---->THE BODY
Holy SPIRIT---> THE SPIRIT

Not that difficult at the end of the day.......!
That's not what the doctrine of the Trinity says though. The analogy fails because your mind, body and spirit are not three distinct persons, and I don't know that you could say your mind, body, and Spirit are the same being either.
 

sacraig67

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OK what? My mind body and spirit might not be the same person? OK where do you get that? OK let's use this analogy then. Three colors of paint thrown on the floor mixing together. Together making one color out of three colors each their own distinct color but forming one. Father Son and Holy Spirit. But I am still confused on the my body spirit mind thing
 
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1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.


The trinity and oneness examples are confusing. God dwells in Christ.


Joh 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
 

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It is clear from scripture that all three members of the Triadic Unity are referred to as God yet, we are told there is one God. These two truths are unequivocal. What I have seen in argumentation from those who attempt to deny the deity of Christ is that because they cannot synthesize these two truths they choose to embrace one to the exclusion of the other. Since they cannot envision a very simple concept such as a unified singularity they must then find some way to try to either discredit or manipulate the grammatical structure of all those texts which represent Jesus as God.
 

sacraig67

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It is clear from scripture that all three members of the Triadic Unity are referred to as God yet, we are told there is one God. These two truths are unequivocal. What I have seen in argumentation from those who attempt to deny the deity of Christ is that because they cannot synthesize these two truths they choose to embrace one to the exclusion of the other. Since they cannot envision a very simple concept such as a unified singularity they must then find some way to try to either discredit or manipulate the grammatical structure of all those texts which represent Jesus as God.
Very good point. The Jehovahs witness do this in their so called translation of the Bible. In John 1:1 they add one letter to totally change what the passage says. They change other passages also to say what they want. When we study we have to be careful that we don't do the same thing.
 
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It is clear from scripture that all three members of the Triadic Unity are referred to as God yet, we are told there is one God. These two truths are unequivocal. What I have seen in argumentation from those who attempt to deny the deity of Christ is that because they cannot synthesize these two truths they choose to embrace one to the exclusion of the other. Since they cannot envision a very simple concept such as a unified singularity they must then find some way to try to either discredit or manipulate the grammatical structure of all those texts which represent Jesus as God.
I myself do not deny the diety in Christ. I believe he and God are one. Christ is the temple/tabernacle of God. God resides in him. If a demon can occupy someone uninvited can the spirit of God not occupy someone when he is invited?