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Why do you expect that I wouldn't understand a word of it? Anyways, sounds like you not only think the discernment of spirits is for today, but that every born again person grows it...
I would not call it "grows it", because we are TAUGHT IT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IN US.

John 14:26 (NKJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

1 Corinthians 2:14-15 (NIV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
 

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I would not call it "grows it", because we are TAUGHT IT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IN US.

John 14:26 (NKJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

1 Corinthians 2:14-15 (NIV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
You used the phrase " it grows stronger" in post 156... but no matter... So it sounds like it's something every spirit filled believer has, in your view?
 

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it's true that marxism (at least marxist leninism ) failed totally in eastern europe but capitalism seems to have failed as badly in central and south america. (been there and theyre not nice.) maybe we need some kind of mix like the scandanavian countries.

And maybe all we need is a return to Patriotism to GOD and Country.



[video=youtube;vBZSBGHm0RY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBZSBGHm0RY[/video]
 
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No Flame, only those who come through the Narrow Gate, of receiving Jesus Christ of the Bible as GOD in the flesh, and LORD, which means Master; are those on the Narrow path to Heaven. Both Gates are marked "This Way To HEAVEN", but the Wide gate is the DECEIVER Satan's trick. All followers of the False Christs, False Gospels, and False Plans of Salvation go through that Broad Gate, but it only leads to this Destruction:

Matthew 10:28 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Don’t fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 7:13-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]13[/SUP]Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction {in Hell}, and there are many who go through it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to {Eternal} life, and few find it.

Matthew 7:15-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing {Disguised as Pastors and Prophets.}but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree can’t produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.

Matthew 7:21-24 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you!{That inner personal Love Relationship with Jesus Christ of the Bible, where we lovingly submit to His LORDSHIP.} Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
[SUP]24 [/SUP] “Therefore, everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them will be like a sensible man who built his house on the rock.

John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.

Maybe NOW, you can understand my sense of urgency to reach out in godly LOVE and lead them through the Narrow Gate. I know this analogy will date me, but you do not let a child touch a red hot Pot Belly Stove, you loudly warn them "DON'T TOUCH THAT, YOU WILL GET BURNED", and you do that because you LOVE THEM. Yes when we burned coal in ours you could see it glowing red at night.
The narrow gate is that which few finds. Enoch, Elijah to name a couple. But Christ came for the MANY who did not find it. Those that are well need no physician. The fruit is love and joy and peace, not the wrath you are working VCO. The commandments ARE love. Just love as you are loved.
 

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You used the phrase " it grows stronger" in post 156... but no matter... So it sounds like it's something every spirit filled believer has, in your view?
That is what the Bible says, not what I say; and I Bible what the Bible says, when interpreted correctly. Why did you think we all dig in our heals and insist, the Mormon GODhead, the Mormon Jesus, the Mormon plan of Salvation, and the book of Mormon, ARE NOT CHRISTIAN? It is our spiritual discernment through the spiritual understanding of Scriptures, with the Teaching of the Holy Spirit HIMSELF. NOT FEELINGS, because feelings can be manipulated by Satan and his Demons.

Some are more gifted to discern Truth from error than others, for a few reasons, ONE their human spirit is more mature, and two their knowledge of the Scriptures is greater, and three, ULTIMATELY it is because the more one YIELDS complete control to the Holy Spirit, the sharper his or her discernment is.

Do I think Mormons have this ability? NO, not at all. The Mormon Church believes in a false Father-God, a false Christ, a false Holy Spirit, a False Godhead, a False Gospel, and in False Prophets. There is no way they can be born again, believing what the Mormon Church Teaches. Sorry to be blunt, but that is the Truth and I sincerely want to call you to Come to the Truth.

Am I scalp hunting, wanting to add some Mormon scalps to my belt? Not at all, I do not believe in scalp hunting, that is an impure motive for trying to evangelize someone. I tell you the Truth simply because I genuinely care about your eternal well being. I know the devil will try to sow seeds of doubt, withing seconds after you read this. I have to Trust that Greater is HE who is in me than he who is in the world. As long as GOD does not give up on you, neither will I. Who knows, maybe you are the last name in the Book of Life, under "The Bride of Christ", and ten seconds after you receive the REAL Jesus as LORD, we all get to go home to Heaven to the Wedding of the Lamb. But if not, it only means we have a few more to gather into HIM!
 
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Do all Christians believe in a trinity? Why the bundle all Mormons together?
 

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The narrow gate is that which few finds. Enoch, Elijah to name a couple. But Christ came for the MANY who did not find it. Those that are well need no physician. The fruit is love and joy and peace, not the wrath you are working VCO. The commandments ARE love. Just love as you are loved.

Flamingspirit, please live up to your name and hear what God is saying in these Scriptures:

Matthew 22:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "For many are called, but few are chosen."

Matthew 7:21-23 (ESV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them,I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

John 1:12-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But to all who did receive Him, {No more, no less} He gave them the right to be children of God, to those who believe in His name,
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood, or of the will of the flesh, or of the will of man, but of God.

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him,

Many want a Savior, but very FEW want a LORD who will be MASTER of their lives.

Luke 13:23-25 (NIV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?" He said to them,
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.' "But he will answer, 'I don't know you {That inner personal LOVE relationship where we submit to Jesus as Lord and Master.} or where you come from.'

2 Peter 3:9-14 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
[SUP]12 [/SUP] as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

Salvation through Jesus Christ has been made available to all men, but few receive it, because they REMAIN lord of their own lives.
 

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Do all Christians believe in a trinity? Why the bundle all Mormons together?
Yes all genuine Christians believe in the Trinity. Who bundles? There is only Saved and Unsaved, Born Again and not Born Again, the Lost and the Found, Wheat and Tares, etc.

Matthew 24:40-42 (NIV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

[SUP]42 [/SUP]
"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.

That tells me that 50% of those sitting in Church pews, are not really born again.

Why do we leave the Tares (weeds that look like wheat) sitting in our pews:

Matthew 13:24-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] He presented another parable to them: “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] But while people were sleeping, his enemy came, sowed weeds
among the wheat, and left.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] When the plants sprouted and produced grain, then the weeds also appeared.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] The landowner’s slaves came to him and said, ‘Master, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Then where did the weeds come from?’

[SUP]28 [/SUP] “‘An enemy did this!’ he told them. “‘So, do you want us to go and gather them up?’ the slaves asked him.

[SUP]29 [/SUP] “‘No,’ he said. ‘When you gather up the weeds, you might also uproot the wheat with them.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Let both grow together until the harvest. At harvest time I’ll tell the reapers: Gather the weeds first and tie them in bundles to burn them, but store the wheat in my barn.’”

But the biggest reason is Our LORD is in the business of turning Tares into Wheat:

Romans 10:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Romans 10:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
 

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The narrow gate is that which few finds. Enoch, Elijah to name a couple. But Christ came for the MANY who did not find it. Those that are well need no physician. The fruit is love and joy and peace, not the wrath you are working VCO. The commandments ARE love. Just love as you are loved.
There is not Wrath, I love you and MORMONS to tell you the truth to your face, not beat around the bush and gripe about you behind your back. COME! Serve the real Jesus Christ, He is Calling you!

True LOVE does not condone false teaching, not turn a blind eye to it. True Love exposes it, and Calls you to the Truth.
 
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The narrow gate is that which few finds. Enoch, Elijah to name a couple. . . . .
That is not the Narrow Gate, He tells you what it is, in the context:

Matthew 7:13-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My
Father in heaven.

[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them,
'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

That is the inner personal LOVE relationship that produces submission to HIS LORDSHIP.

Where does that kind of LOVE come from:

Romans 5:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.


That LOVE was poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit. That LOVE produces a desire to submit to HIM willingly as LORD and MASTER. That kind of LOVE produces a desire to OBEY HIM. THAT IS THE NARROW GATE!

Is JESUS CHRIST of the Bible LORD and Master of your life, or are you still lord of your own life. There can be ONLY ONE SHOT CALLER.
 
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My mother was the head of the childrens ward, my father was the cub scout leader and in charge of the young men. I went to every activity under the book.
Sounds like you came from a nice family. The Mormon church is a family, it is like the family of God. All churches are like a family, I'm not sure why that is a problem. Is it harder to pull away from a family than an organization? Is that the problem?

I did watch the video, and from just a wanna-be scholar of the BOM, I would tell the Living Hope Ministries that there search for truth was short and one sided, which means they did not tell the whole truth. The only people interviewed were people that shared their view. Even the so-called LDS scholars are nothing more than anti-Mormon advocates. Google their names and find out about them. Murphy and Wilson are classic shut-your-eyes-and-mouth-to-any-positive-evidence-about-the-BOM type of guys, and give you only the side of the picture that will fill their agenda, and with mockery and haughtiness and a smuggish attitude, they completely ignore updated scholarship that lends light to positive BOM evidence.

If you left the church because of this real bad video of the BOM, you must not have had a very strong testimony in the LDS church to start with, regardless of your good background. I'm sorry that you haven't read anything on the internet that is positive and gives interesting evidence of things in Mesoamerica that exonerates Joseph Smith. He did translate some very interesting pieces of information that critics have laughed at since 1830 when it was published. Many of those laughable items have been found archaeologically and have proven to be the truth. There are others that still have not been found yet. The fact is, only about 5-8% of all the Mayan and Olmec ruins have been excavated. Give it a few more years, and the last few items will be found and proved.

Let me give you a couple of items that critics in 1830-today laughed and still laugh at Joseph for, that has proven to be true:

1) The BOM says that the Jaredites (Olmec) and Lehi's family (Nephites) came to the Americas by ship. This was shear nonsense in 1830. It was shear unadulterated nonsense up to about 10 years ago. Everybody in the sciences knew that man came to the Americas over the Bering Straight when it iced up eons ago. Nobody in their right mind, especially a 22 year old snot-nosed kid from the backwoods of New York would ever think or write anything to the contrary. They would be drumed out of their scientific position in a split second and left for dead on the side of the road. That's just what happened to Joseph Smith, he was laughed to scorn for making up this ship adventure from the other side of the world. How stupid could he be, and he wrote it so everyone could laught louder. Then about 10 years ago, when archaeologists and other scientists had discovered so much evidence to the contrary that they no longer could hold the line, the news broke that North and South America was partially populated by people from the other side of the world that came in ships. The National Museum of Anthropology in Mexico City has a beautiful tapestry that depicts the first people to populate Mexico (the Olmec peoples) coming out of a ship that came on shore around Veracruz Mexico.

2) Joseph Smith said he found the gold plates in a stone box. What, gold plates, stone box? In 1830 this was monstrously funny. Why would anyone write on metal plates? We have never seen plates of metal, surely this is funny stuff, and that stone box, have you ever seen a stone (ha ha) box? Today, however, stone boxes are found all over Mesoamerica and metal plates of all metals, even gold are being found all over the world and Mesoamerica, unknown in 1830.

Interesting things are read in the BOM, but I would not bet against it. It proves itself, little by little every year. I suspect the reason it has to be this way is that we must have faith and prove our faith, and see our faith grow as more and more ridiculous things that Joseph Smith said come true.

Here's the BOM challenge: If the BOM is true, as Joseph says it is, then we gain a strong second witness (the Bible being the first) that Jesus is the Christ and the Savior of the world and died for us on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins.
That he was resurrected and stands by the Father in the heavens and now we can look forward to the resurrection also and life everlasting with him.
Secondly, that Joseph Smith is a true prophet of Jesus Christ and was called to restore the Church of Jesus Christ in our Day.
Thirdly, there has been a never-ending line of prophets since 1820 and a never-ending quorum of 12 apostles since 1835. The apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the Chief Cornerstone makes up the foundations of the Mormon church.
This is the foundation of the church specified by the Bible in Ephesians 2:20. It now exists again today. Jesus giving information once again to his prophet and the apostles directing the ministry among men again. That is why the Mormon church is the fastest growing world-wide church today.

So the BOM is extremely important to the world, especially the Muslim world. They don't trust the Bible as they should, but here is another companion volume that also testifies in the same way that Jesus is the real Son of God and not just a good man or prophet of God. This volume of scripture comes from 7,000 miles away from Jerusalem, with the same message.
It is interesting to watch a Muslim when I put the Bible in my right hand and the BOM in my left and declare that these 2 people who did not know each other and were separated by 7,000 miles, came up with the same exact message about the Lord Jesus Christ. They both testify that they saw him and know he is real. The Muslims don't know quite how to react. It is almost a frightening moment to them, that something just put a chink in their Muslim armor.

So read and pray and be amazed, the BOM is not going away, and it will just get more and more valuable to the world as the days pass.
 
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A soldier or policeman is not function as an individual, he is functioning as an arm of Government. God's Rule for Governmental conduction are not the same as God's rules for personal conduct. THEREFORE, I do not believe a Soldier or a Policeman of any kind commits murder when he or she pulls the trigger in the line of Duty. God expects them, when they are functioning as an arm of Government, to use their weapons when it is appropriate: " for he does not bear the sword for nothing ".

I realize the current case in MO. is still waiting to hear all the facts, so I will wait until all of the facts are presented in court, to determine if the shooting was in the line of Duty. I heard yesterday there was witness that claims Michael Brown was threateningly, charging to attack the Officer. Which explains no wounds in the back. Ultimately it will be the Jury's call.

I remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, I was in High School at the time. I watched a documentary on the History Channel a couple months back, and out Bombers were actually 45 minutes out from their Russian Targets, fully armed with Nukes, when Khrushchev called the President, and said "You are crazy, I will pull our missiles out of Cuba."

Yes there comes a point when GOD will call enemy Armies to do battle against and EVIL RULER. I believe GOD called us into WWII. It is those times a Christian is to Chose which side he will fight on. I am amazed that there not more Christian German soldiers surrendering sooner. But a lot of those who tried to surrender were shot by the Nazi SS.

















i agree ..... the problem that i see is how the christian decided if first: can he or she can be a part of that government and second, if not, how does the christian respond. remember, the guards at dachau wore "gott mit uns" belt buckles. my answer was no. in the long history of the church many others have seen the issue differently. the apostolic church was apparently non resistant. this changed with time and by the 4th century the church had widely mixed views (the "thundering legion.") it is not a simple question that can be answered by quoting a few bible verses.
 
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I cannot help you VCO. Love is not found in your message. You will never gain true understanding being so closed off in your own knowledge. It will always puff up.
 

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i agree ..... the problem that i see is how the christian decided if first: can he or she can be a part of that government and second, if not, how does the christian respond. remember, the guards at dachau wore "gott mit uns" belt buckles. my answer was no. in the long history of the church many others have seen the issue differently. the apostolic church was apparently non resistant. this changed with time and by the 4th century the church had widely mixed views (the "thundering legion.") it is not a simple question that can be answered by quoting a few bible verses.

Some of them did respond Biblically, the true story of Schindler's List for example. Other's died trying to do what was right, but too many turned a blind eye, and tried to pretend it wasn't happening. But we have another would be World Dictator coming, that will be ten times worse than Hitler. Thankfully, the way I understand Revelations, we will be in Heaven at the Wedding of the Lamb, when he comes to full power.

I am getting a strange error message, after trying to post this first paragraph, it rejected posting it, saying the message had to be at least ten characters long. Will go to the Advanced mode, and maybe it will take it then.
 

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I cannot help you VCO. Love is not found in your message. You will never gain true understanding being so closed off in your own knowledge. It will always puff up.
Flamingspirit, please COME to the real Jesus Christ. I guarantee you the Mormon Jesus is a false Christ. I KNOW the REAL JESUS CHRIST intimately, and you can too, and I want to introduce you too HIM. But I cannot push you through that Narrow Gate, I can only call to you to COME. You have to choose to COME. You have to want HIM in Control of your life.

I am not closed off, I follow the most Narrow Minded man that ever lived. The JESUS CHRIST of the Bible, who said:

John 14:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Jesus told him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

NO other Jesus Christ can save you. ONLY the Jesus Christ of the Bible. AND there are many False Christs. HE SAID SO.

I want to share that TRUE Jesus Christ with you. How is that NOT LOVE?
 
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Flamingspirit, please COME to the real Jesus Christ. I guarantee you the Mormon Jesus is a false Christ. I KNOW the REAL JESUS CHRIST intimately, and you can too, and I want to introduce you too HIM. But I cannot push you through that Narrow Gate, I can only call to you to COME. You have to choose to COME. You have to want HIM in Control of your life.

I am not closed off, I follow the most Narrow Minded man that ever lived. The JESUS CHRIST of the Bible, who said:

John 14:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Jesus told him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

NO other Jesus Christ can save you. ONLY the Jesus Christ of the Bible. AND there are many False Christs. HE SAID SO.

I want to share that TRUE Jesus Christ with you. How is that NOT LOVE?
I'm not a Mormon. You talk about what they believe as false but what about your beliefs? You have also killed those who do not believe in a trinity.

Common sense alone tells me that none of my sons are older or the same age as me, but that is what you believe. I wouldn't kill you for it. Whatever it takes to get you to do good.
 

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I'm not a Mormon. You talk about what they believe as false but what about your beliefs? You have also killed those who do not believe in a trinity.

Common sense alone tells me that none of my sons are older or the same age as me, but that is what you believe. I wouldn't kill you for it. Whatever it takes to get you to do good.

Yes denying that Jesus is part of the TRIUNE GOD, is creating for yourself a False Christ.

Please Come to the True Jesus Christ!

Matthew 24:24-25 (NKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] See, I have told you beforehand.

Romans 1:20-21 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

 
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It takes a dad and a mom to make a child. I cannot stop you so I give you up to that which shall teach you what not to do, and for the destruction of the flesh.

You have yet to crucify it.
 

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Common sense alone tells me that none of my sons are older or the same age as me, but that is what you believe. I wouldn't kill you for it. Whatever it takes to get you to do good.

Where do you get the insane idea that I am trying to symbolically kill you. I am trying to share the Real Jesus Christ with you. How is that NOT LOVE.

NOW you said something above that showed me where your confusion is. Son of GOD does NOT MEAN OFFSPRING of GOD.

In the Jewish and Hebrew traditions the father at some point in his life would designate WHO was going to inherit all that the father owned. He could give it all to one of his sons, but he did not have to. If the father was displeased with all of his sons, he could give those inheritance rights to a servant even. It ALWAYS HAD TO GO TO A MALE, because women in Israel were NOT allowed to own property. For this example let us say the father's name was Joshua. This Joshua did not think any of his sons were worthy to carry on the family dynasty; so he named his most trustworthy servant to be his heir. FROM THAT VERY MOMENT ON THAT SERVANT WOULD HAVE THE LEGAL INHERITANCE TITLE, "Son of Joshua". It is the same as the Birthright Title that Jacob bought from his brother Esau for bread and lentil stew. It's purpose is NOT to designate who is offspring, but rather WHO has the right to inherit everything the father has. Son of GOD is exactly the same thing, a Legal Inheritance Title, that designates HE is the one with the right to inherit everything the Father has, INCLUDING HIS DEITY.

This same passing of the Birthright Title or "Son of" Title to someone outside the blood family is in Scripture. I will explain the two most famous occurances. Joseph apparently died before Jesus went to the cross, because Mary is sent to live with John after Jesus died. SO, MARY being a woman, she could not inherit the Property of Joseph. There seems to be strong evidence that Jesus was the one Joseph named "Son of Joseph", as the inheritance TITLE even though Jesus was not an offspring of Joseph.

John 1:45 (ASV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

Jesus is not Offspring of Joseph, YET HE has the inheritance Title "son of Joseph". That being the case, Jesus would have had to pass the inheritance title to some other male. WHO though? One of his brothers? NO it was John! All it took to pass on the inheritance title, making it legal and binding was two or three wishes, when the heir of the Property spoke his wishes, even if it was on his death bed.

John 19:25-27 (ASV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] These things therefore the soldiers did. But there were standing by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by whom he loved {John}, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then saith he to the disciple, Behold, thy mother! And from that hour the disciple{John} took her unto his own home.


THERE IT IS, the passing of the Birthright Title or the "Son of Joseph" inheritance Title. It does not say it, but Jewish Tradition tells us the John in that statement from Jesus, received the "Son of Joseph" inheritance Title. AND the two or three witnesses were present, THEREFORE it is legally binding. John became the heir to the Property of Joseph, the step-father of Jesus. THUS John could sell the property to help support Mary. THEREFORE, non-offspring in the Jewish way of life can LEGALLY have the Title "SON of", without being any kind of offspring.
 
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That is what the Bible says, not what I say; and I Bible what the Bible says, when interpreted correctly. Why did you think we all dig in our heals and insist, the Mormon GODhead, the Mormon Jesus, the Mormon plan of Salvation, and the book of Mormon, ARE NOT CHRISTIAN? It is our spiritual discernment through the spiritual understanding of Scriptures, with the Teaching of the Holy Spirit HIMSELF. NOT FEELINGS, because feelings can be manipulated by Satan and his Demons.

Some are more gifted to discern Truth from error than others, for a few reasons, ONE their human spirit is more mature, and two their knowledge of the Scriptures is greater, and three, ULTIMATELY it is because the more one YIELDS complete control to the Holy Spirit, the sharper his or her discernment is.

Do I think Mormons have this ability? NO, not at all. The Mormon Church believes in a false Father-God, a false Christ, a false Holy Spirit, a False Godhead, a False Gospel, and in False Prophets. There is no way they can be born again, believing what the Mormon Church Teaches. Sorry to be blunt, but that is the Truth and I sincerely want to call you to Come to the Truth.

Am I scalp hunting, wanting to add some Mormon scalps to my belt? Not at all, I do not believe in scalp hunting, that is an impure motive for trying to evangelize someone. I tell you the Truth simply because I genuinely care about your eternal well being. I know the devil will try to sow seeds of doubt, withing seconds after you read this. I have to Trust that Greater is HE who is in me than he who is in the world. As long as GOD does not give up on you, neither will I. Who knows, maybe you are the last name in the Book of Life, under "The Bride of Christ", and ten seconds after you receive the REAL Jesus as LORD, we all get to go home to Heaven to the Wedding of the Lamb. But if not, it only means we have a few more to gather into HIM!
I agree with you that all born again believers have the discerning of spirits... Some more that others... That's a possibility, yes... Why do you believe that my name is not yet in the book of life? What have I written that leads you to that conclusion?