Nothing new about the "new" covenant?

[just-me]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

The following is post 162

Others interpret the same prophetic riddles to mean things entirely different.

All private interpretation of prophetic riddles is uncertain, and not authoritative.

I base my understanding on certain NT teaching only, which is authoritative.

I've read the whole Bible and believe every word of it.

Not according to your post on #162 ya have to understand in order to believe. Believing something is recognizing that it is authoritative, and trustworthy.

 

[LEPIDUS]

That was addressed in post #89, here.

This is your private and uncertain interpretation of a prophetic riddle.

I have another interpretation.

Neither of them is authoritative.

You have not addressed anything at all what so ever, you have only made statements with your little understanding. And we use scripture to INTERPRET itself.

And by "we" I speak for everyone who studies The Bible, scripture should interpret scripture.

 

[just-me]

You have not addressed anything at all what so ever, you have only made statements with your little understanding. And we use scripture to INTERPRET itself.

And by "we" I speak for everyone who studies The Bible, scripture should interpret scripture.

Good point. All scripture was inspired by the Spirit of God, and we are to compare Spiritual with Spiritual.

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak , not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth ; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[Fishbait]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

my bible tells me the Sabbath was Holy to God long ago.

my bible tells me the Sabbath will be observed by everyone in the future.

my bible tells me it is a sign that we are his, and not take the anti sign or mark.

Jesus keep the Sabbath, deciples keep it, one of the oracales of God.

I keep it because God says he will live in me if i do.

and God is the same forever.


you can keep any day you want , not my concern except to warn.


so i hope we are all ready for the day of atoinment,


or did Jesus do away with that too.

In Colossians 2:16-17, the apostle Paul declares, “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.” Similarly, Romans 14:5 states, “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.”

These Scriptures make it clear that, for the Christian, Sabbath-keeping is a matter of spiritual freedom, not a command from God. Sabbath-keeping is an issue on which God’s Word instructs us not to judge each other. Sabbath-keeping is a matter about which each Christian needs to be fully convinced in his/her own mind.

You prove-all are one of many Christians that are "fully convinced" about keeping the Sabbath. That's good.

I thank you for saying, "my concern except to warn". Some Christians make every day a "Sabbath.". Not just one day or that it's a command from God to do so.

 

[Elin]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

The following is post 162:

Others interpret the same prophetic riddles to mean things entirely different.

All private interpretation of prophetic riddles is uncertain, and not authoritative.

I base my understanding on certain NT teaching only, which is authoritative.

I've read the whole Bible and believe every word of it.

Not according to your post on #162

ya have to understand in order to believe.

Believing something is recognizing that it is authoritative, and trustworthy.

I think my meaning is clear, but to those who would claim otherwise, I will clarify to avoid confusion.

My belief that every word of the Bible is true does not mean I understand every word of the Bible.

One does not have to understand prophecy at all to believe every word of the Bible is true.
Nor does one have to understand prophecy literally to believe every word of the Bible is true.

When it coms to understanding the Bible, I take my understanding from NT teaching,
and understand the whole Bible in the light of the words spoken by the Son
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

 

[Elin]

i say my neighbor does not know Jusus yet.

does the jews neighbors know the Lord ?

That was addressed in post #89, here.

You have not addressed anything at all what so ever, you have only made statements with your little understanding. And we use scripture to INTERPRET itself.

And by "we" I speak for everyone who studies The Bible, scripture should interpret scripture.

Read it again.

 

[Elin]

Hebrews 8:13 reads: By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

The Hebrew writer said what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Just-me refers to the temple and we all know the temple has disappeared.

Some refer to the covenant, the law and the prophets or part thereof in the first 39 books in the bible also know as the scripture. Well, they are still there in the bible from one manuscript to the other, one translation to the other, from one publisher to the other and from one publication to the next.

To quote someone else on this forum.

That's a very creative interpretation.

Hooey. . .but creative.

 

[Elin]

I understand your frustration at not being able to show your view from the NT.

This is the view that I presented, and if you read carefully I used both NEW and OLD TESTAMENT scripture.

So I have presented my view not only with THE OLD TESTAMENT but with THE NEW TESTAMENT. Again, if that doesn't suit you, that is not my problem.

Previously addressed.

 

[Elin]

Previously addressed in post #146, here.

You keep saying that, but have not addressed anything. You just go in circle presenting arguments with biased interpretation.

Previously addressed.

 

[LEPIDUS]

This is the problem with not understanding Greek and using internet tools, instead of scholarly books!!

καινός or kainos in A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature by Bauer and Danke in the nominative case means the following.

1. Pertaining to being in existence for a relatively short time; new, unused eg. Matt 9:17, Mark 2:22, Luke 5:58, Matt 27:60, Mark 2:21, Luke 5:36, Matt. 13:52.

2. Pertaining to being not previously present, unknown, strange, remarkable. eg. Mark 1:27, Acts 17:19, John 13:34, 1 John 2:7, Mark 16:17, Acts 17:21.

3. Pertaining to that which is recent in contrast to something old; in the sense that what is old has become obsolete, and should be replaced by what is new; eg. Matt 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20, 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Hebrews 8:8, 13; 9:15 2 Peter 3:13, Rev. 21:1, etc.

Neos or νέος only appears once in the New Testament, in SBL and Stephanus in Luke 5:37.

"[SUP]37 [/SUP]και ουδεις βαλλει οινον νεον εις ασκους παλαιους ει δε μηγε ρηξει ο νεος οινος τους ασκους και αυτος εκχυθησεται και οι ασκοι απολουνται." Luke 5:37

"And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled, and the skins will be destroyed." Luke 5:37

Neos has the alternate meaning of "younger."

Please do not make doctrinal statements based on a very faulty knowledge of Koine Greek!

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2537: καινός


καινός, καινή, καινόν (from Aeschylus and Herodotus down); the Sept. for חָדָשׁ; new, i. e.
a. as respects form; recently made, fresh, recent, unused, unworn (opposed to παλαιός old, antiquated): as ἀσκός, Matthew 9:11; Mark 2:22 (T omits; Tr WH brackets the clause); Luke 5:38 ἱμάτιον, Luke 5:36; πλήρωμα, Mark 2:21; μνημεῖον, Matthew 27:60; with ἐν ᾧ οὐδέπω οὐδείς ἐτέθη added, John 19:41; καινά καί παλαιά, Matthew 13:52; new, which as recently made is superior to what it succeeds: διαθήκη, Matthew 26:28 (T WH omit καινά); Mark 14:24 R L; Luke 22:20 (WH reject the passage); 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 8:8, 13; Hebrews 9:15 (Jeremiah 38:31 ()); καινοί οὐρανοί, καινή γῆ, 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1 (Isaiah 65:17; Isaiah 66:22); Ἱερουσαλήμ (see Ἱεροσόλυμα, at the end), Revelation 3:12; Revelation 21:2; ἄνθρωπος (see the word, 1 f.), Ephesians 2:15; Ephesians 4:24 (καρδία, πνεῦμα, Ezekiel 18:31; Ezekiel 36:26); καινά πάντα ποιῶ, I bring all things into a new and better condition, Revelation 21:5; γέννημα τῆς ἀμπέλου, Matthew 26:29; Mark 14:25.


b. as respects substance; of a new kind; unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of (ἑτέρα καί καινά δαιμόνια, Xenophon, mem. 1, 1, 1): διδαχή, Mark 1:27; Acts 17:19; ἐντολή, given now for the first time, John 13:34; 1 John 2:7; 2 John 1:5; ὄνομα, with the added explanation ὁ οὐδείς οἶδεν (ἔγνω Rec.), Revelation 2:17 (Isaiah 62:2; Isaiah 65:15); ᾠδή, Revelation 5:9; Revelation 14:3 (Psalm 143:9 (); ὕμνος, Isaiah 42:10; ᾆσμα, Psalm 32:3 (); (), etc.); λέγειν τί καί (ἤ L T Tr WH) ἀκούειν καινότερον, Acts 17:21 (newer namely, than that which is already; (cf. Winer's Grammar, 244 (228f))); κτίσις, Galatians 6:15; καινά τά πάντα, all things are new, previously non-existent, begin to be far different from what they were before, 2 Corinthians 5:17 (L T Tr WH omit τά πάντα); μηκέτι οὔσης τῆς ἀνομίας, καινων δέ γεγονότων πάντων ὑπό κυρίου, the Epistle of Barnabas 15, 7 [ET]. γλῶσσαι (see γλῶσσα, 2): Mark 16:17 (Tr text WH text omit; Tr marginal reading brackets καινων) [SYNONYMS: καινός, νέος: νέος denotes the new primarily in reference to time, the young, recent; καινός denotes the new primarily in reference to quality, the fresh, unworn

In my initial post I clearly stated the definitions for both neos and kainos. Just to expand on this, again for the sake of understanding.καινά καί παλαιά, Matthew 13:52; new, which as recently made is superior to what it succeeds:

Do you understand that phrase?

suc·ceed
səkˈsēd/Submit
verb
1.
achieve the desired aim or result.
synonyms: triumph, achieve success, be successful, do well, flourish, thrive; More
antonyms: fail, flop
2.
take over a throne, inheritance, office, or other position from.
synonyms: replace, take the place of, take over from, follow, supersede; informalstep into someone's shoes


It is evident that my source is credible, which I believe you also used. And I clearly provided the definitions for both neos and kainos in my initial post.

Yes, my assertion is correct. Please don't try to question my understanding, or try to correct what I intended to say.

 

[LEPIDUS]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

I think my meaning is clear, but to those who would claim otherwise, I will clarify to avoid confusion.

My belief that every word of the Bible is true does not mean I understand every word of the Bible.

One does not have to understand prophecy at all to believe every word of the Bible is true.
Nor does one have to understand prophecy literally to believe every word of the Bible is true.

When it coms to understanding the Bible, I take my understanding from NT teaching,
and understand the whole Bible in the light of the words spoken by the Son
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

If you willingly admit that you don't have full understanding of The Bible, Why would you dismiss any other view presented? Arrogance, should be placed aside.

And you state you believe the NT writers obviously they didn't use Hebrew, but Greek so my initial post that states KAINOS is used should be valid in you understanding. lol but of course you are biased and will not openly admit it.

Your understanding should be based on The Bible as a whole. Not the whole Bible with a few scripture from The New Testament.

 

[prove-all]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

yes those verses can go both ways like,

paul could be teaching to new recruits to keep, not to worry about what others say .


anyway the bible says you can be a son ,even by not following the law,

and i can be a son by preaching the law.

we are both christs under covenents of Abrahams.

my God promised to mark me for keeping His sabbath.

nothing Elin has said does away with the Sabbath blessings and day for me.

 

[prove-all]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

Addressed in post #117, here.


Previously addressed in post #109, here.


That is private and uncertain interpretation of prophetic riddles,
which can be, and are, interpreted by others to mean things entirely different.

What is certain in NT teaching is that Jesus sits at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty
in heaven now.

There is nothing in certain NT teaching about Jesus sitting on David's earthly throne.

I take my understanding from certain NT teaching,
not from prophetic riddles subject to private and uncertain differing interpretations.

mabe you should read about it in the old testement, or is that done away too.

like post # 46 or my next post.

and again youre post does not prove what you say.

 

[prove-all]

Re: promise to David

God was there King, and law giver, but they wanted a man, so sad.
Howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of
the king that shall reign over them” (1 Samuel 8:7-9).

“Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee:
for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. 

Saul was their first human king. but rejected by God (2 Samuel 2
David succeeded Saul. David sat on the Eternal’s throne.
David’s son Solomon succeeded him, also sitting on the Eternal’s throne.

1 Chronicles 29:23
23Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king instead of David his father,

2 Chronicles 9:8)
Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne,
to be king for the Lord thy God:
because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever,
therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.

Jesus is both the “root” and the “offspring” of David (Revelation 22:16).
Since He was the “root,” the throne was His before David was born.
David merely sat upon the Eternal’s throne.
Secondly, since Jesus was David’s lawful fleshly Son,
this same throne shall once more become His right by inheritance, continuing David’s dynasty

2 Samuel 23:1, 5
1“Now these be the last words of David. … God … 

5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me
an [everlasting covenant], [ordered in all things, and sure]:
for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

“And it came to pass that night, that the word of the Lord came unto Nathan, saying,
Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in? …
[W]hen thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee,

which shall proceed out of thy bowels [Solomon], and I will establish [his] kingdom.
He shall build an house for my name,

and I will stablish the throne of [his kingdom] for ever.
I will be his father, and he shall be my son.

If he commit iniquity, I will chasten (him) with (the rod of men), and with the stripes of the children of men:

- if he commit iniquity, would chasten them by taking

there name,land and idenity away, God did not renig on
the septer and birthright and other promises to Abraham.

The punishment for disobedience would be chastening at the hands of men.

But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee:

thy shall be established for ever” (2 Samuel 7:4-5, 12-16).

was established forever in Solomon , this does not say that when Christ comes.

if David’s throne ceased from existence, at King Zedekiah,
even for the length of one generation,
could we say it had been established forever as God here promised?
400 years before Jesus was born from mary,

we see the crown no more, where did it go ?

12He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

Christ did not take over davids physical throne, thats what people where looking for.
He comes back in power to take over the kingdom.

 

[Elin]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

If you willingly admit that you don't have full understanding of The Bible, Why would you dismiss any other view presented?

Private interpretation of prophecy is the only thing I will not defend,
because I have no authoritative teaching by which to measure the meaning of any private interpretation.

However, while I cannot say what prophetic riddles do mean,
I can say what they do not mean,
when the interpretation of them contradicts clear and certain NT teaching.

And there's a lot of that being put forth.

Likewise, no matter what the prophetic riddles do mean,
I know they will be in agreement with NT teaching.
So, in knowing NT teaching, I know all I need to know regarding them.

And you state you believe the NT writers obviously they didn't use Hebrew, but Greek

However, they quoted OT texts which were written in Hebrew, and the meaning of those words are the Hebrew meanings, as in Heb 7:8-12.

so my initial post that states KAINOS is used should be valid in you understanding

You have me confused with someone else.

I never challenged the use of kainos in the Greek text of the NT.

Your understanding should be based on The Bible as a whole.

And the Bible as a whole is to be understood in the light of the words
spoken by the Son in these last days, through the NT writers, as compared
to what was spoken by the prophets in days of old (Heb 1:1-2).

 

[LEPIDUS]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

And the Bible as a whole is to be understood in the light of the words
spoken by the Son in these last days, through the NT writers, as compared
to what was spoken by the prophets in days of old (Heb 1:1-2).

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Yea those verses do not say we are to understand The Bible as a whole only from what was spoken by Christ.

It only states that God spoke to them (apostles) through Christ; like he (God) did to the Fathers through the prophets.

 

[Elin]

Re: promise to David

God was there King, and law giver, but they wanted a man, so sad.
Howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of
the king that shall reign over them” (1 Samuel 8:7-9).

“Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee:
for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them. 

Saul was their first human king. but rejected by God (2 Samuel 2
David succeeded Saul. David sat on the Eternal’s throne.
David’s son Solomon succeeded him, also sitting on the Eternal’s throne.

1 Chronicles 29:23
23Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king instead of David his father,

2 Chronicles 9:8)
Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne,
to be king for the Lord thy God:
because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever,
therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.

Jesus is both the “root” and the “offspring” of David (Revelation 22:16).
Since He was the “root,” the throne was His before David was born.
David merely sat upon the Eternal’s throne.
Secondly, since Jesus was David’s lawful fleshly Son,
this same throne shall once more become His right by inheritance, continuing David’s dynasty

2 Samuel 23:1, 5
1“Now these be the last words of David. … God … 

5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me
an [everlasting covenant], [ordered in all things, and sure]:
for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

“And it came to pass that night, that the word of the Lord came unto Nathan, saying,
Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in? …
[W]hen thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee,

which shall proceed out of thy bowels [Solomon], and I will establish [his] kingdom.
He shall build an house for my name,

and I will stablish the throne of [his kingdom] for ever.
I will be his father, and he shall be my son.

If he commit iniquity, I will chasten (him) with (the rod of men), and with the stripes of the children of men:

- if he commit iniquity, would chasten them by taking

there name,land and idenity away, God did not renig on
the septer and birthright and other promises to Abraham.

The punishment for disobedience would be chastening at the hands of men.

But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee:

thy shall be established for ever” (2 Samuel 7:4-5, 12-16).

How easy can this be?

It was established in Christ who is King forever, and who is of the line of David

was established forever in Solomon , this does not say that when Christ comes.

if David’s throne ceased from existence, at King Zedekiah,
even for the length of one generation,
could we say it had been established forever as God here promised?

The Eternal's throne is eternal, it doesn't depend on an earthly throne.

400 years before Jesus was born from mary,

we see the crown no more, where did it go ?

12He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

Christ did not take over davids physical throne, thats what people where looking for.

You have let your eschatology confuse the Davidic covenant.

You have to decide if King Jesus' throne, who is the descendant of King David, is King David's throne.

For me, it's a no-brainer. . .

And King Jesus' throne is at the right hand of the Father.

 

[Elin]

Re: Nothing new about the "new" covenant ?

Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Yea those verses do not say we are to understand The Bible as a whole only from what was spoken by Christ.

It only states that God spoke to them (apostles) through Christ; like he (God) did to the Fathers through the prophets.

No. . .the first three chapters to 3:6 are to convince the Hebrews
of the superiority of Jesus' revelation to that of the OT prophets,
by showing them the superiority of Jesus himself,
who was greater than even an angel
(angels were involved in giving the law at Sinai--2:2),
and greater than even Moses, the mediator of the old covenant,
because Christ is a Son, while Moses was just a servant,
and Christ is over all God's house,
while Moses was only in God's house as just a part of it.

Hebrews was written because some of them were considering returning to Judaism because of disenfranchisement and persecution by their families and former friends.

The whole purpose of Hebrews is to convince them of the superiority of Christ,
why faith in him is the same faith as in the OT,
and to warn against lapsing back into Judaism,
where they would die in their sin,
because they would be rejecting the only sacrifice for sin.

Hebrews is about the superiority of revelation spoken by the Son
over revelation spoken by the prophets of old,
as the reason not to return to Judaism.

 

[vic1980]

The whole purpose of Hebrews is to convince them of the superiority of Christ,
why faith in him is the same faith as in the OT,
and

to warn against lapsing back into Judaism,
where they would die in their sin,
because they would be rejecting the only sacrifice for sin.

Well said Elin well said.


2 Corinthians 3:6 He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.

1.This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit.

2.The old written covenant ends in death

God Bless

 

[Angela53510]

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2537: καινός


καινός, καινή, καινόν (from Aeschylus and Herodotus down); the Sept. for חָדָשׁ; new, i. e.
a. as respects form; recently made, fresh, recent, unused, unworn (opposed to παλαιός old, antiquated): as ἀσκός, Matthew 9:11; Mark 2:22 (T omits; Tr WH brackets the clause); Luke 5:38 ἱμάτιον, Luke 5:36; πλήρωμα, Mark 2:21; μνημεῖον, Matthew 27:60; with ἐν ᾧ οὐδέπω οὐδείς ἐτέθη added, John 19:41; καινά καί παλαιά, Matthew 13:52; new, which as recently made is superior to what it succeeds: διαθήκη, Matthew 26:28 (T WH omit καινά); Mark 14:24 R L; Luke 22:20 (WH reject the passage); 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 8:8, 13; Hebrews 9:15 (Jeremiah 38:31 ()); καινοί οὐρανοί, καινή γῆ, 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1 (Isaiah 65:17; Isaiah 66:22); Ἱερουσαλήμ (see Ἱεροσόλυμα, at the end), Revelation 3:12; Revelation 21:2; ἄνθρωπος (see the word, 1 f.), Ephesians 2:15; Ephesians 4:24 (καρδία, πνεῦμα, Ezekiel 18:31; Ezekiel 36:26); καινά πάντα ποιῶ, I bring all things into a new and better condition, Revelation 21:5; γέννημα τῆς ἀμπέλου, Matthew 26:29; Mark 14:25.


b. as respects substance; of a new kind; unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of (ἑτέρα καί καινά δαιμόνια, Xenophon, mem. 1, 1, 1): διδαχή, Mark 1:27; Acts 17:19; ἐντολή, given now for the first time, John 13:34; 1 John 2:7; 2 John 1:5; ὄνομα, with the added explanation ὁ οὐδείς οἶδεν (ἔγνω Rec.), Revelation 2:17 (Isaiah 62:2; Isaiah 65:15); ᾠδή, Revelation 5:9; Revelation 14:3 (Psalm 143:9 (); ὕμνος, Isaiah 42:10; ᾆσμα, Psalm 32:3 (); (), etc.); λέγειν τί καί (ἤ L T Tr WH) ἀκούειν καινότερον, Acts 17:21 (newer namely, than that which is already; (cf. Winer's Grammar, 244 (228f))); κτίσις, Galatians 6:15; καινά τά πάντα, all things are new, previously non-existent, begin to be far different from what they were before, 2 Corinthians 5:17 (L T Tr WH omit τά πάντα); μηκέτι οὔσης τῆς ἀνομίας, καινων δέ γεγονότων πάντων ὑπό κυρίου, the Epistle of Barnabas 15, 7 [ET]. γλῶσσαι (see γλῶσσα, 2): Mark 16:17 (Tr text WH text omit; Tr marginal reading brackets καινων) [SYNONYMS: καινός, νέος: νέος denotes the new primarily in reference to time, the young, recent; καινός denotes the new primarily in reference to quality, the fresh, unworn

In my initial post I clearly stated the definitions for both neos and kainos. Just to expand on this, again for the sake of understanding.καινά καί παλαιά, Matthew 13:52; new, which as recently made is superior to what it succeeds:

Do you understand that phrase?

suc·ceed
səkˈsēd/Submit
verb
1.
achieve the desired aim or result.
synonyms: triumph, achieve success, be successful, do well, flourish, thrive; More
antonyms: fail, flop
2.
take over a throne, inheritance, office, or other position from.
synonyms: replace, take the place of, take over from, follow, supersede; informalstep into someone's shoes


It is evident that my source is credible, which I believe you also used. And I clearly provided the definitions for both neos and kainos in my initial post.

Yes, my assertion is correct. Please don't try to question my understanding, or try to correct what I intended to say.

I have no idea which translation you are using, but SUCCEEDS is not in mine, nor in the Greek which you posted.

"And he said to them, “Therefore every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like a master of a house, who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old.” Matt 13:52 ESV

"Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old." Matt 13:52 KJV

In Greek, and also in your Thayer's copy-and-paste clearly says "new and old."

Besides, you have broken every every rule of hermeneutics, pulling this Scripture out of context, which is a parable, not a doctrinal statement. In fact, the very next verse says it is a parable.[/FONT]

]"And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there," Matt 13:53.

Very poor exegetics of this passage, and I am sure if I looked at the rest of your Hebrew Roots movement diatribe, I would find the same lousy job of interpreting the Bible. Please learn Greek, and Hermeneutics, before you waste our time with this nonsense!

PS. Downloading words off the internet is NOT knowing Greek! And I used Bauer and Danke! A book!