Daniel 9:27

[KJV1611]

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Exodus 16:26 Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any.”

Romans 6:21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death!

2 Corinthians 9:6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

God was referring to man as the beast, his six day creation. The mark represent the fruits of man's labor and the years him and his works will reign through out the land.

I can agree with most of that, only I think the beast is the world systems that promotes the works of man.

 

[KJV1611]

"In the Midst of the Week." Now that we have defined these terms, let us reread Daniel 9:27:

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

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I want you to notice one thing. The abomination of desolation splits the seven years in half. In other words, it occurs at the three-and-one-half year point, three and one-half years before Christ returns to earth.

Whoever wrote this is totally butchering the text verse 27 to make it fit their view. Verse 27 has nothing to do with the abomination of desolation mentioned Matthew 24. Matthew 24 is talking about Daniel 11:31.

To paraphrase verse 27, He shall confirm THE covenant with many for one week: and tin the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. And because of the many abominations, He will make it desolate, even until the end... and that which was determined in past times will be poured out on the DESOLATE.

Daniel 9:27 is about Christ confirming the New Covenant with the Gentiles. When Jesus died on the cross he caused the need for animal sacrifice and the daily oblation to cease! Jesus made national Israel desolate because of the many abominations they committed.

 

[Jason0047]

Well, Daniel 9:27 does three things: he first confirms the covenant, he stops the daily sacrifices, and he sets up the Abomination of Desolation.

In Daniel 11 we have a discourse about the King of the North. When you get to verse 31, it talks about the Antichrist and his partners placing a abomination that makes desolate and stopping the sacrifices. This is absolute proof that the he of Daniel 9:27 is the Antichrist not the real Christ.

Daniel 11:31 (KJV) And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

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If you're not sure this is the Antichrist, read on what else this man does:

Daniel 11:36 (KJV) And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.



Source:​

Confirmation of the Covenant: Who are "He" and "the Many"?
(Note: I do not believe everything the author says about all things concerning the Bible. I believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture, Millennium, and Eternal New Earth).​

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[Jason0047]

Also, verse 24 says there are 70 weeks. In verse 26, Jesus is cut off (sacrificed) at 62 weeks. Then verse 27 brings up the final 70th week. You can't have Jesus re-crucified at the 70th week when he was crucified at the 62nd week (or weeks of years).

 

[KJV1611]

Well, Daniel 9:27 does three things: he first confirms the covenant, he stops the daily sacrifices, and he sets up the Abomination of Desolation.

In Daniel 11 we have a discourse about the King of the North. When you get to verse 31, it talks about the Antichrist and his partners placing a abomination that makes desolate and stopping the sacrifices. This is absolute proof that the he of Daniel 9:27 is the Antichrist not the real Christ.

Daniel 11:31 (KJV) And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

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If you're not sure this is the Antichrist, read on what else this man does:

Daniel 11:36 (KJV) And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.



Source:​

Confirmation of the Covenant: Who are "He" and "the Many"?
(Note: I do not believe everything the author says about all things concerning the Bible. I believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture, Millennium, and Eternal New Earth).​

According to Daniel 11 "they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate", now go to Daniel 9:27... where do you see anything placed and where do you see any mention of "a sanctuary of strength"? You don't, because the two verses are talking about two different things. Just because abominations and desolate are mentioned in the same verse does not mean the two verses are talking about the same thing.

 

[Jason0047]

According to Daniel 11 "they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate", now go to Daniel 9:27... where do you see anything placed and where do you see any mention of "a sanctuary of strength"? You don't, because the two verses are talking about two different things. Just because abominations and desolate are mentioned in the same verse does not mean the two verses are talking about the same thing.

While I agree that there are homonyms in the Bible, this is not one of them because of the close proximity of the these words and for the fact that Jesus was cut off (sacrificed at 62nd week out of 70 weeks).

 

[Jason0047]

Also, the people of the prince in Daniel 9:26 is a reference to the people of the Antichrist because they destroyed the Jewish Temple in 70AD. In other words, God's people did not destroy the temple in 70AD after the Messiah was cut off (i.e. Sacrificed for you and me).

So the people of the Prince is a change in topic. The Prince ((who is a demon that will be the future Antichrist) and whose people destroyed the Temple) is the person being referenced in Daniel 9:27.

In addition, a week is seven years. If verse 27 was talking about Jesus, then how could he confirm a Covenant with them for one week or seven years. When did the New Covenant begin? With his death. Was it a Covenant that Christ confirmed with others? If so, then where do we see this in Scripture or history? Was this a temporary 7 year Covenant? Or is the New Testament an eternal Covenant?

 

[Jason0047]

Also, I should have added 7 weeks to the 62 weeks for when Christ was crucified. This is a mathematical prophecy that was fulfilled down to the very day. Understanding the details in this fulfillment will help give you the proper understanding of the events involved in Daniel 9.

Mathematical Bible Prophecy

 

[KJV1611]

While I agree that there are homonyms in the Bible, this is not one of them because of the close proximity of the these words and for the fact that Jesus was cut off (sacrificed at 62nd week out of 70 weeks).

I can't make it any more plainer than I did earlier.... Let me ask you a couple of question though.
Is there any more need for animal sacrifices today?
Did the the antichrist or Jesus remove that need for animal sacrifices?

 

[Jason0047]

I can't make it any more plainer than I did earlier.... Let me ask you a couple of question though.
Is there any more need for animal sacrifices today?
Did the the antichrist or Jesus remove that need for animal sacrifices?

That's not the point. The Jews will wrongfully set up their sacrifices again within the Temple and the Anti Christ will desocrate the Temple. This has happened once before already in history before Christ and history will repeat itself again.

Now, let me ask you a few questions. In verse 26 of Daniel 9: Do you believe the people of the prince are believers who destroy the Temple? Does history show that believers destroyed the Temple or unbelievers.?

 

[KJV1611]

That's not the point. The Jews will wrongfully set up their sacrifices again within the Temple and the Anti Christ will desocrate the Temple. This has happened once before already in history before Christ and history will repeat itself again.

Now, let me ask you a few questions. In verse 26 of Daniel 9: Do you believe the people of the prince are believers who destroy the Temple? Does history show that believers destroyed the Temple or unbelievers.?

No the people of the prince was Titus in A.D. 70, which is what Daniel 11 covers.

 

[Jason0047]

That's not the point. The Jews will wrongfully set up their sacrifices again within the Temple and the Anti Christ will desocrate the Temple. This has happened once before already in history before Christ and history will repeat itself again.

Now, let me ask you a few questions. In verse 26 of Daniel 9: Do you believe the people of the prince are believers who destroy the Temple? Does history show that believers destroyed the Temple or unbelievers.?

Also is the New Testament temporary or eternal? The Covenant that is made in Daniel is confirmed for only one week or seven years in verse 27; And Jeremiah 32:38-40 is a future prophecy that lets us know that the New Testament is an eternal one.

 

[Jason0047]

No the people of the prince was Titus in A.D. 70, which is what Daniel 11 covers.

Yes. I agree. This talking about a people that destroyed the Jewish Temple. These were unbelievers. A people wbo served a man led by a prince *cough* principality (or ant christ spirit) that made sure the Jewish temple was destroyed. Now, if we were to keep reading with this prince working in the people in mind, we then come to understand that it is the same Anti Christ spoken about in verse 27. For there is no verse letting us know it is switching back so as to talk about the Messiah.

 

[KJV1611]

Also is the New Testament temporary or eternal? The Covenant that is made in Daniel is confirmed for only one week or seven years in verse 27; And Jeremiah 32:38-40 is a future prophecy that lets us know that the New Testament is an eternal one.

It's eternal. But covenant in Daniel is not for one week, it takes one week to confirm the covenant. The covenant being spoken of in Daniel is here. Jesus confirmed the New Testament covenant.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

 

[KJV1611]

Yes. I agree. This talking about a people that destroyed the Jewish Temple. These were unbelievers. A people wbo served a man led by a prince *cough* principality (or ant christ spirit) that made sure the Jewish temple was destroyed. Now, if we were to keep reading with this prince working in the people in mind, we then come to understand that it is the same Anti Christ spoken about in verse 27. For there is no verse letting us know it is switching back so as to talk about the Messiah.

The purpose of verse 25 and 26 is to tell us about the Messiah. The prince that shall come is a side note of verse 26. Verse 27 picks up the subject of verse 25 and 26... the Messiah. The focus of the bible is always on Christ anything else is a side note.

 

[Jason0047]

It's eternal. But covenant in Daniel is not for one week, it takes one week to confirm the covenant. The covenant being spoken of in Daniel is here. Jesus confirmed the New Testament covenant.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

No. Look at the parallel versions here:

Galatians 3:17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

Or look at the context of the surrounding passages in the KJV.

This covenant in Galatians 3:17 is talking about the Covenant made with Moses and the nation of Israel in blood at the Passover in Egypt. This Covenant does not do away with the promise that was made to Abraham. It's not talking about the New Covenant; And Daniel 9 takes place long after the giving of the Law.

 

[KJV1611]

No. Look at the parallel versions here:

Galatians 3:17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.

Or look at the context of the surrounding passages in the KJV.

This covenant in Galatians 3:17 is talking about the Covenant made with Moses and the nation of Israel in blood at the Passover in Egypt. This Covenant does not do away with the promise that was made to Abraham. It's not talking about the New Covenant; And Daniel 9 takes place long after the giving of the Law.

I agree the law does not disanull the covenant made to Abraham... what was the covenant made with Abraham? It was the promise to Abraham's seed -> Christ... he inherited the world and so did all of us in Christ, from Adam to the last soul to be saved.

 

[GaryA]

And not every Christian who is into Eschatology or the Study of the End Times agrees with each other exactly on how the events unfold in Daniels 70th week.

"It has all been unfolded..."

Daniel's 70th week is 100% past history.


Daniel 9:

[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. [SUP]25[/SUP] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [SUP]26[/SUP] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Do you realize and understand that the parts in bold of the passage above actually occurred after the end of the 70 weeks?

 

[Jason0047]

I agree the law does not disanull the covenant made to Abraham... what was the covenant made with Abraham? It was the promise to Abraham's seed -> Christ... he inherited the world and so did all of us in Christ, from Adam to the last soul to be saved.

So what was confirmed for one week?

Abraham's promise that lead to the New Testament?

Or the New Testament itself?

How long do you measure a week?

Can back up you're measurement with Scripture?

 

[ELECT]

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


I know the vast majority believe that the covenant confirmed in Dan 9:27 is between the Antichrist and Israel. I don't think it is, but I want to understand why so many people believe that way. Can you post why you believe so, and if you know of a second witness in the bible to back up this being the antichrist please post that also... thanks!

The covenant was the new covenant the he is Jesus