Grace and Law are married....

[Scuba]

Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?

I answered you on post #108. It's your turn to answer my question above, otherwise you are just playing 'gotcha' and I'm not interested.

Your answer is what I call, beating around the bush, because there are a lot of words but no answers. So let me ask you plainly. Is worshiping other gods, using God's name in vain, worshiping idols, forgetting to keep the seventh day holy, dishonoring our parents, lying, stealing, murder and so on are they sinful and wrong under your present belief system?

 

[crossnote]

Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?

Paul is asking a rhetorical question and of course the answer is 'no' we should not sin. But the answer begs the question 'how'?

Rom 8, tells how
For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (Rom 8:3-4)

and
Gal 2:20

I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
(Gal 2:20-21)

Your answer is what I call, beating around the bush, because there are a lot of words but no answers. So let me ask you plainly. Is worshiping other gods, using God's name in vain, worshiping idols, forgetting to keep the seventh day holy, dishonoring our parents, lying, stealing, murder and so on are they sinful and wrong under your present belief system?

At least I answered you even if you judge it as a 'non' answer.
I'm still waiting for an answer in response to my questions..questions you wont answer because you probably haven't a clue about being born again...only law.

 

[achduke]

I know ...Heb 7. But my response was to someone who threw the Levite into the mix. So if they want Levites they have to go all the way and do all the law.

Except one can not perform the law exactly without the Temple. The best you can do is let the Holy Spirit lead you to obey the law.

 

[Scuba]

Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?

At least I answered you even if you judge it as a 'non' answer.
I'm still waiting for an answer in response to my questions..questions you wont answer because you probably haven't a clue about being born again...only law.

Nice come back and a crafty way to avoid the truth.

You and many others here make a claim that the Law is done away with so we no longer need to walk according to it but when you are asked pointed and direct questions regarding the Ten Commandments and your current belief system you can not answer. That, in itself, is a powerful testimony. Read Psalm 119 and understand the heart of one who loves God.

 

[prove-all]

[talk about the Deliverer. the Redeemer the ONLY Law Keeper. ♥]

if you mean these verses as what Jesus did for us...

then i applaud.

yes God will write his laws on our hearts,

in the future all will honor his Sabbaths

and obey his commandments,


because he is the supreme lawgiver, what he says goes.

Jesus is not the only law keeper,

you too i hope will one day follow his laws

 

[crossnote]

Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?

Nice come back and a crafty way to avoid the truth.

You and many others here make a claim that the Law is done away with so we no longer need to walk according to it but when you are asked pointed and direct questions regarding the Ten Commandments and your current belief system you can not answer. That, in itself, is a powerful testimony. Read Psalm 119 and understand the heart of one who loves God.

You are flat out lying and bearing false witness when you say that I claim the law has been done away with. Show one post on C C where I have said that. You who claim to uphold the law I find are the biggest hypocrits and accusers of the brethren just as it was in Jesus day.

 

[crossnote]

Except one can not perform the law exactly without the Temple. The best you can do is let the Holy Spirit lead you to obey the law.

The law is written on our hearts as born again believers and our High Priest intercedes on our behalf in the heavenlies.
The law on our hearts is the new nature given us...you have received that new nature , right?

 

[achduke]

The law is written on our hearts as born again believers and our High Priest intercedes on our behalf in the heavenlies.
The law on our hearts is the new nature given us...you have received that new nature , right?

I have the Holy Spirit guide me. We have a new nature but have we put on incorruptable? Do we have a new body like Christ?

 

[crossnote]

I have the Holy Spirit guide me. We have a new nature but have we put on incorruptable? Do we have a new body like Christ?

Yes there is that battle between the new nature and the flesh until we receive our new body...but that is where Rom 8 comes in with the Holy Spirit our Paraclete to help us in our weakness.

 

[Elin]

Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?

Paul is asking a rhetorical question and of course the answer is 'no' we should not sin. But the answer begs the question 'how'?

Rom 8, tells how
For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (Rom 8:3-4)

and
Gal 2:20

I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
(Gal 2:20-21)

Your answer is what I call, beating around the bush, because there are a lot of words but no answers.
So let me ask you plainly. Is worshiping other gods, using God's name in vain, worshiping idols, forgetting to keep the seventh day holy, dishonoring our parents, lying, stealing, murder and so on are they
sinful and wrong under your present belief system?

Anything that is unloving is wrong under the new covenant (Mt 22:37-40), including all of the above.

Is that straight forward enough?

 

[Scuba]

Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?

Anything that is unloving is wrong under the new covenant (Mt 22:37-40), including all of the above.

Is that straight forward enough?

So what you're saying, and I see that it's liked by crossnote, is that the principles contained in the Law are still binding on the Christian life if one is to walk in love for God and man?

 

[LEPIDUS]

People keep saying that its written in our hearts, and and mind. What does that even mean? People commit adultery say its written in our heart we know its not right, Christ forgives us, repent and do it again. What does written in our hearts and mind really mean?

 

[Elin]

Graced and Law are married....

So what you're saying, and I see that it's liked by crossnote, is that
the principles contained in the law are still binding on the Christian life
if one is to walk in love for God and man?

Yes, Jesus said the the principles contained in the law are two:
love God with all you heart, soul, mind and strength,
and love your neighbor as yourself (Mt 22:37-40).

 

[Elin]

People keep saying that its written in our hearts, and and mind. What does that even mean? People commit adultery say its written in our heart we know its not right, Christ forgives us, repent and do it again.
What does written in our hearts and mind really mean?

If you heart doesn't tell you adultery is sin, you are not born again.

And if your lifestyle is one of habitual sin, you are not born again.

 

[Scuba]

Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?

You are flat out lying and bearing false witness when you say that I claim the law has been done away with. Show one post on C C where I have said that. You who claim to uphold the law I find are the biggest hypocrits and accusers of the brethren just as it was in Jesus day.

You tend to speak through others such as what you did with Elin. Atwood believes we are not bound to obeying the Law and, according to your post, you agree with him and even liked what he said. You also testify of your expertise on this matter in Romans.

crossnote; I'm sure we are all aware of that rule of interpretation Scuba...context, context, context; and although not as extensive as Atwood, Romans has been my specialty when compared to other books of the bible. BTW, I find Paul rather straightforward thus easier than most to understand.

Originally Posted by Atwood

:1 Or are ye ignorant, brethren (for I speak to men who know the law), that the law hath dominion over a man for so long time as he liveth? 2 For the woman that hath a husband is bound by law to the husband while he liveth; but if the husband die, she is discharged from the law of the husband. 3 So then if, while the husband liveth, she be joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if the husband die, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be joined to another man. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were through the law, wrought in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter. 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Let it not be so. Howbeit, I had not known sin, except through the law: for I had not known coveting, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet: 8 but sin, finding occasion, wrought in me through the commandment all manner of coveting: for apart from the law sin isdead. 9 And I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died; 10 and the commandment, which was unto life, this I found to be unto death: 11 for sin, finding occasion, through the commandment beguiled me, and through it slew me.

< Rom 7

Originally Posted by crossnote

So then, Atwood's post is unmoved by further exposition of Rom 7..
My question is every time we post a scripture or two do we have to do an exposition also on the whole chapter?
I agree it should not be used out of context of the post responded to but I also disagree that the quote from Rom 7:1-11 needed further context.

So yes, according to your posts you agree with those who desire to do away with the Law of God. You just say it through others.

 

[prove-all]

If you heart doesn't tell you adultery is sin, you are not born again.

And if your lifestyle is one of habitual sin, you are not born again.

we are begotten sons of God, heirs to a promise,

when we put on uncorupable by resurection , then we are born into his kingdom.


then all will obey Gods laws and Sabbaths as told in the bible

 

[psychomom]

[talk about the Deliverer. the Redeemer the ONLY Law Keeper. ♥]


yes God will write his laws on our hearts,

in the future all will honor his Sabbaths

and obey his commandments,


because he is the supreme lawgiver, what he says goes.

Jesus is not the only law keeper,

you too i hope will one day follow his laws

Jesus IS the only Law Keeper.

if we actually believe we are keeping God's Law, we deceive ourselves.
to 'keep' the Law means to fully and perfectly obey it.
not merely deeds, or 'Sabbath keeping', but wholly, in thought, too.

we have gotten this idea that if we obey God even if we don't want to, that's righteous.
and this deception has grown to the point we can't even acknowledge it's happening.
and what it really reveals is deep unrighteousness.
God cares about the motivation of our hearts!

when we finally see God's Law is absolutely inflexible,
we finally see God's Grace is absolutely indispensable.

 

[Elin]

People keep saying that its written in our hearts, and and mind. What does that even mean? People commit adultery say its written in our heart we know its not right, Christ forgives us, repent and do it again.
What does written in our hearts and mind really mean?

If your heart doesn't tell you adultery is sin, you are not born again.

And if your lifestyle is one of habitual sin, you are not born again.

BTW: Is Jesus God, equal with God the Father?

Yes, or no. . .

 

[Elin]

we are begotten sons of God, heirs to a promise,

when we put on uncorupable by resurection , then we are born into his kingdom.

then all will obey Gods laws and Sabbaths as told in the bible

I'll ask you the same question:

Is Jesus God, equal with God the Father?

Yes, or no. . .

 

[prove-all]

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

"My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28).

“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. mark10:18

Jesus Christ came to Earth to declare the Father (John 1:18)

Jesus Christ said He came specifically to “reveal” the Father(Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22).

“I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him” (John 8:26).

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.John 12:49

the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me" (John 14:24).

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;
and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17 KJV)