Where in the New Covenant does it say...

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So do you wear tassels on your clothes? DO you not eat shellfish? Are you wearing two different fabrics currently? how often do you shave? These are all laws too. Hpopefully before you are harassing you are following all 600+ yourself to the letter.
Christ wore tassels, Christ dieted by clean animal rules, Christ did these things. We are asked to learn from them in spirit and truth, so it is not wrong to learn. Christ wore tassels, we are to follow God instead of our fleshly heart and the tassels are to remind us of that. If Christ wasn't too holy and righteous to be reminded to do that, why would you think you are so good you can even sneer at anyone who does? Now the Holy Spirit reminds us, I have the Holy Spirit to remind me of the same thing tassels reminded. It is the same with all the rest you are sneering so at. As far as never listening to the Lord because you can't do everything the Lord says----my husband whose language was very earthy would have some words for that I can't put on here.
 
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Christ wore tassels, Christ dieted by clean animal rules, Christ did these things. We are asked to learn from them in spirit and truth, so it is not wrong to learn. Christ wore tassels, we are to follow God instead of our fleshly heart and the tassels are to remind us of that. If Christ wasn't too holy and righteous to be reminded to do that, why would you think you are so good you can even sneer at anyone who does? Now the Holy Spirit reminds us, I have the Holy Spirit to remind me of the same thing tassels reminded. It is the same with all the rest you are sneering so at. As far as never listening to the Lord because you can't do everything the Lord says----my husband whose language was very earthy would have some words for that I can't put on here.
Yes, but the Lord makes it clear that every animal can be eaten from now for it is made clean and sanctified through prayer as He told Peter in Acts 10.
 

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So, do you murder? Commit adultery? Lie? Steal? Lust? Take God's name in vain? Bow down to idols? Have other gods before God? Break the Sabbath?
No to most but I do go to church on sunday, so according to some I guess I do break the sabbath oh well.
 
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Only if you walk by the Spirit will you fulfill the Father's will.
If you walk by the spirit, you will be able to not only understand the will of God, but you can read scripture telling about it. Those who tells us that the Holy Spirit tells them if a law is written in scripture it isn't of love, or it isn't what the Holy Spirit says, or any of those man made ideas that are not truth are simply saying they don't have the Holy Spirit.

 
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Yes, but the Lord makes it clear that every animal can be eaten from now for it is made clean and sanctified through prayer as He told Peter in Acts 10.
If you will follow through with all scripture says about that every animal can be eaten I does not say it is changing a principle of the Lord when it says that. Scripture has said that God does not look at what goes in the mouth, that doesn't define us. It never has. Again it does not say that is something new. God gave dietary laws for another purpose, always they were to be obeyed in spirit and truth, and that wasn't just to preserve health of the body but of the spirit.

When it is repeated in Acts, it is to bring out that God looks on all men as equal to a world where Jews said they were not equal with others, but special to God. They thought God was for them alone, and this teaching about animals was not a teaching about diet, it was a teaching about Paul going to give the gospel to the gentiles. Read the next verses, it tells us that is what we are to know.
 
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Elin said:
You are going in circles.

It's plain to see you didn't read post #34 to you
where what Paul said is addressed in context.

What he says there is in no way contrary to
the Holy Spirit giving you to know in your heart what is wrongful.

In fact, rather than being contrary to what Paul said,
it is a powerful example of just that.
Alas, I think we shall never agree and arguing is pointless. So I propose that we agree to disagree, agreeably.
Is that agree about what the NT states,

or about with what the NT states,

or about not knowing what Ro 7 means in context,

or all of the above?
 
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Thanks.

And did he not by his perfect obedience to it because he was born under it?

But those in Christ are not under the law, they are under grace, to which the law is subordinate.
Grace moves us to obedience because the law says we should be stoned. Grace teaches us to live righteousness lives as defined by God.
 
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There is also more NT teaching on the Sabbath after Jesus ascended.
The teachings of Jesus are the foundation of the new covenant. After the death of Jesus nothing can be changed in what he taught because it's a covenant, Hebrews 9.
 
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Grace moves us to obedience because the law says we should be stoned. Grace teaches us to live righteousness lives as defined by God.
That excuse of using God mentioning the way the government of that day had of punishment instead of prisons and all we have today--the excuse is getting old, and only used anymore by people who are absolutely babies in the word. Those people even say stoning means that God is not of love!! but God changed from what God was when He created the world!!
 
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Elin said:
There is also more NT teaching on the Sabbath after Jesus ascended.
The teachings of Jesus are the foundation of the new covenant.
After the death of Jesus nothing can be changed in what he taught
Are you saying that any of the NT writings are not the God-breathed word of God?

because it's a covenant, Hebrews 9
Okay, let's examine the terms of this covenant to see what it says.

Please give the terms of this covenant.
 
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Are you saying that any of the NT writings are not the God-breathed word of God?


Okay, let's examine the terms of this covenant to see what it says.

Please give the terms of this covenant.
The terms of the New Covenant are the same as the Old, love God and love others as yourself.

1 John 2:6-7 Those who say they live in God should live their lives as Jesus did. Dear friends, I am not writing a new commandment for you; rather it is an old one you have had from the very beginning. This old commandment—to love one another—is the same message you heard before.

How this is done is defined by the life and teachings of Jesus.
 

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The terms of the New Covenant are the same as the Old, love God and love others as yourself.

1 John 2:6-7 Those who say they live in God should live their lives as Jesus did. Dear friends, I am not writing a new commandment for you; rather it is an old one you have had from the very beginning. This old commandment—to love one another—is the same message you heard before.

How this is done is defined by the life and teachings of Jesus.
No not the same, Jesus said it once said love your neighbor and hate your enemy, but I say love you enemy. Thats different.
 
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The Sabbath is still the seventh day and it's still blessed and holy because that's the way God created it. Under the Law you are to be stoned to death for violating the Sabbath.

Exodus 31:14 You must keep the day of rest, because it is sacred. Whoever does not keep it, but works on that day, is to be put to death.

Under the teachings of Jesus we are not to judge anyone in what they do on the Sabbath. Under the teachings of Jesus you violate the Sabbath when you put the Sabbath above man. Under the teachings of Jesus you violate the Sabbath when you judge others for doing things that are necessary on the Sabbath.
 
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1 Timothy 5:4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God.

Colossians 3:20 20 Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.

Ephesians 6:2,3 2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”
 
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1 Timothy 5:4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God.

Colossians 3:20 20 Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.

Ephesians 6:2,3 2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise—3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”
Here is the question again.

Where in the New Covenant does it say there is a promise attached to honoring your father and mother? And what is the promise?
 
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Kaycie

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Here is the question again.

Where in the New Covenant does it say there is a promise attached to honoring your father and mother? And what is the promise?
Again... Ephesians 6:2,3 2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”
 
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Again... Ephesians 6:2,3 2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise—3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”

You are claiming an Old Covenant promise that is not mentioned in the New Covenant. Are you saying the Ten Commandments apply to Christians today?
 
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Yes, but the Lord makes it clear that every animal can be eaten from now for it is made clean and sanctified through prayer as He told Peter in Acts 10.
Don't let your mind get stuck in the legalism of this! The Lord didn't. We are to take on the mind of Christ, and what we know about what we are to do should never be separated from what we know of the spirit behind it.

The Lord was telling Peter a lot more than for Peter to go cook a dinner that included foods he had never considered food before, that he was to change the things he ate at mealtimes. Scripture tells us, in fact, that the Lord wasn't watching anyone including Peter for his menu selection.
 
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You are claiming an Old Covenant promise that is not mentioned in the New Covenant. Are you saying the Ten Commandments apply to Christians today?
The only thing that applies to christians today is what Christ says- what Christ says is law. Now whether Christ reinstated laws from the old testament or not, all we can go by now is what He says in the new testament. And just as the ten commandments were only the tip of the iceberg of old testament law, all of the new testament is also new law.
 
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The only thing that applies to christians today is what Christ says- what Christ says is law. Now whether Christ reinstated laws from the old testament or not, all we can go by now is what He says in the new testament. And just as the ten commandments were only the tip of the iceberg of old testament law, all of the new testament is also new law.
I really like your answer. Thanks!