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Ahh the tithe, Debated for hundreds of years. IDK, but Jesus was watching the offering plate, why was He watching it if was of no significance? The rich dudes came by and dropped twenties in the plate and boasted. The little widow put two pennies and Jesus said that she gave more than them all. Because she gave 10% or maybe 20% no she gave everything that she had. believing God by faith that He would take care of her needs. It is a difficult thing to trust God with your money.
K
Thats powerful, I don't think it was her first rodeo. She Said in her heart I gave once and you blessed me, now here I am again and giving everything I have these two pennies. Lord I know you will feed me and put a roof over my head. All I have is the two pence, but I give it to you. Some body shout, somebody praise God, get happy in this place.
J
I would never open the books to some rebellious nosey church member who won't obey God and is looking for a way to justify his disobedience. OTOH you give yo The Lord, and if you have problems supporting your local body, then leave the church. There is nothing wrong with tithing to The Lord by helping those in need or whatever He may lead you. Especially if you are not connected with a body. But it is important to tithe -- by not doing so you rob God -- not of money -- but of His working in your life --- and you make your salvation null and void. In this time, you must learn to obey God in ALL things to allow God to prepare you for His glory.
J
Is this elementary school bullying other's out of their lunch money. Scripture clearly says this. True religion/faith, is this, to visit the fatherless, and the widows in their distress. {Let every man as he purposeth in his own heart to give , not of necessity.} God, our spiritual father who we were adopted through his Son Jesus but the blood atonement, does not hold us up, does not bully us, and does not want to see our own needs unmeet, neither neglected. He says so that he cares for us more than an earthly father. The Word of the Lord, is Living Waters, each drop has it's own powerful force, just as spiritually it is even more Powerful, because it is not natural, it is not stagnant, and each drop moves in it's own force, creating together a powerful wave. THe water of the HOly Spirit moves upon each one of us personally. It speaks to us, on a personal individual relationship. If it moves {the holy spirit on one to do something, as to give 1 million dollars, or to give 1 dollar} then there is a reason for this, and it is that we all have the HOly Spirit that leads, and directs, it does not condemn, but convicts, man*condemns. God does not intimidate/bully people in giving up their lunch money. Isaiah 58:7 If you read it, says, you take in the homeless and shelter them, you feed them, you SHARE your food with them, then your health will recover, and the light of his blessing will be upon you. This quarrel about tithes is just the milk of the word, and those who do not understand how the living waters work, use it as intimidation, and threats. I've been scared by this, not in schools, of bullies, give it up, or else, but in churches. I've gone in with the joy of the Lord just to come out like I've been hit with a brick. This is not Love, this is not from the Lord, this is man and his fleshly actions. Let every man give a free will offereing. The Lord speaks to each one of us personally, without condemnation, if he says give this, then do it, if he says give that then don't be condemned, listening to mere humans. The word says this,"why are there quarrels among you? WHY? is the question. To busy not praying, and listening to the HOly Spirit within us, to stop being little children, and grow up in the meat of the word, it is not about money. Jesus over turned the tables in the churches, selling things to make *profit maybe for the church, or self, he said NO my house shall be called a house of prayer. Those who brag about it have their reward, as it states, you already got yourself something, those who give in secret, will be rewarded. It is not in the new testament, it is a old testament law, supporting those who preached as it spoke about, was a free will*offering, not being forced, or*bullied*taking people's lunch money. Give freely, as every man purposeth in his own heart. Money is called the root of all evil, because you see what it does, it divides families at funerals, fights, because humans want to eat, and have shelter, out of insecurity, of "what will happen in the future," need that egg nest for the rainy day. This is making your MONEY your idol, instead of trusting the Lord, just as when he was leading the people, out of Egypt and told them don't hoard the food, it will turn to worms, they were to trust Yahweh. The golden calf has returned. The HOly Spirit speaks to each one, on a personal level. Don't judge other's, don't bully them, and don't take their lunch money, God does not intimidate his sheep, he feeds them, loves them, and protects them, and leads them, another man they won't listen to, because they don't*recognize*a stranger, IF get close and intimate with Jesus. HE DOES NOT TAKE YOUR LUNCH MONEY, breakfast, or dinner. Period. Who are you to judge another, by what measure you judge you will be judged. bible verse. God is not a respector of persons. bible verse. His love isn't merited on how much you give. bible verse.*
J
*This is the reason people are not in churches today, and the pews are empty. Money has divided the spiritual family, in the church, just as money divides natural families. Don't stop going to church because of it. JESUS said this, my sheep will not listen to another, he didn't say don't gather together to love one another, to be in fellowship with each other, for we are THE BODY. We listen to the one within us, not without, they say, eat the fish, and throw away the bones, money talk does divide. I would of stopped going a long time ago, out of intimidation, but I know my Savior and Jesus my King does not intimidate, they did that to him, all the way to the cross, so don't let the devil divide you from your spiritual family. God Bless and have a Wonderful Sunday. 
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*This is the reason people are not in churches today, and the pews are empty. Money has divided the spiritual family, in the church, just as money divides natural families. Don't stop going to church because of it. JESUS said this, my sheep will not listen to another, he didn't say don't gather together to love one another, to be in fellowship with each other, for we are THE BODY. We listen to the one within us, not without, they say, eat the fish, and throw away the bones, money talk does divide. I would of stopped going a long time ago, out of intimidation, but I know my Savior and Jesus my King does not intimidate, they did that to him, all the way to the cross, so don't let the devil divide you from your spiritual family. God Bless and have a Wonderful Sunday.
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Seriously, if someone has such a cynical, skeptical view of how a church/ministry is using their funds, so cynical that they'd refuse to help financially, one has to wonder why such a person is consuming the fruits of something they view with such cynicism. It's not very congruent.
If I viewed a restaurant with cynicism, but still went there and ate their food, but then refused to pay, well you'd think that's not congruent.
Just saying.
Sounds like an excuse to free-load to me.
People need to be more congruent on this issue in my opinion.
Cynicism of a church/ministry should equal NOT partaking of said church/ministry fruits.
If I viewed a restaurant with cynicism, but still went there and ate their food, but then refused to pay, well you'd think that's not congruent.
Just saying.
Sounds like an excuse to free-load to me.
People need to be more congruent on this issue in my opinion.
Cynicism of a church/ministry should equal NOT partaking of said church/ministry fruits.
J
I am getting ready to go to church, and it dosn't matter if what ever is said about money, I don't want to judge people, and I don't want them to judge me, so this is exactly what it says, don't judge and you wont be judged, Yahweh already settled this a long time ago, and not with a game of poker, who wins, we all are winners through CHRIST JESUS, for we are more than conquerors through him, so yes, and amen. Let's go in the name of the LOrd and put this aside, judging but thread moves on.
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Oh I participate in the work of the Church... And the fruit that is reaped is spiritual. I will never support funding a multi million dollar project in the " name of Jesus " while the people a block away can't keep their lights on and go hungry.
That is disgusting.
And those that do support such things deceive themselves into thinking they are " giving to God"... And judge others for not doing the same.
That is disgusting.
And those that do support such things deceive themselves into thinking they are " giving to God"... And judge others for not doing the same.
If you chose not to give is up to you , but if as a member of a church.i will pay my tithes and not think otherwise about giving but lets look upon Cain and Able , Able gave from the abundance of his heart the very best because his faith was in the right place but Cain out of the datkness within his heart gave in grudgingness because his lack of love because he loved sin instead of God's ways , whenever worship of God was established it was acompanied by a offering , lets look at exodus 20:25 here the Lord commands that every man is to apear before Him and no onr was th come empty handed , that was a commandment for worship ,even abraham when he went to sacrifice Isaac even then they were going tto worship and it was comfirmed it came with an offering , but the offering was a way of honouring God , and it is also a reflection of the heart of a believer . The tithes are necessary for the maintenance of the temple , to say if you are a member of a church it is your responsibility to God .