What Happens to an UNBAPTIZED believer?

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Atwood

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Still no one has found a passage that condemns an unbaptized believer.

If faith without works is dead...( an empty profession of faith) does it still mean If faith,then salvation???? According to you Belief/faith + 0 yields salvation over & over in the Bible.
Well NewB, Good Monday morning.

Yes, I posted a ton of scripture that belief/faith plus nothing yields salvation. To Him who works not, but believes, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.

Fear not to take the place of the Publican how smote his chest & said, God be merciful to me a sinner.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works lest CC chatters should boast.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for
He shall save His people from their sins.
 

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I do believe and obey the Lord Atwood;
I believe Him to be my Lord and Savior
I believe in being baptized and have been baptized because He commanded it.
I believe in repenting of sins, and have repented of mine. Because He said repent or parish.
I believe in confessing Him before others, and I do confess Him as my Lord and Savior in front of others.
Because He said confess Me before men, and He will confess us before the Father, but if you deny Him in front of others He will deny you to the Father.
I believe in helping others, because He said to help others in need and not to turn some one away, not even an enemy.
You are the Pharisee in this story & not the publican?

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week; I give tithes of all that I get. 13 But the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God, be thou merciful to me a sinner. 14 I say unto you, This man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be humbled; but he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Have you not denied the Savior by making him a mere chance-giver? Are you not uncertain of your final destiny because you do not trust Him to get you to Heaven? Do you not trust in the idol of water-baptism, a human work? And have you not added in other works for salvation, contrary to Ephesians 2?

Dp you not deny the following?:

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for
He shall save His people from their sins.

Now is the day of salvation, Kenneth. Now is the time to trust Christ as only & sufficient Savior.
 

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Baptizo means a literal immersion.

Proper exegesis: F.F. Bruce: “baptism in the New Testament is always baptism in water unless the context shows it to be something else; that is to say, the word is always to be understood literally unless the context indicates a figurative meaning” (Questions Answered, p. 106).

Baptism is not used figuratively in Mk 16:16 but a literal immersion in water. Mk 16:15,16 along with Mt 28:19,20 and Lk 24:47 are all accounts of Christ's great commission where disciples (humans) were commanded to do the baptizing and humans administer water baptism as Phillip did with the eunuch.

So water baptism does save, Mk 16:16; Acts 2:38; 1 Pet 3:21 because God has made water baptism the point as to where He saves.
A little truth to mask a lot of deception. Indeed Baptizo does mean immersion but the immersion is likened unto a pickle Baptizo in the brine solution while the washing with water is bapto.

Scripture teaches that salvation is by grace not by water baptism. Salvation by grace is accomplished through hearing the word of God and the direct action of the Holy Spirit creating new life in the soul dead in trespass and sin.

Slaughtering the word of God with exegesis that is flat out foolish will never prevail.

For the cause of Christ
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You are the Pharisee in this story & not the publican?

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week; I give tithes of all that I get. 13 But the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote his breast, saying, God, be thou merciful to me a sinner. 14 I say unto you, This man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be humbled; but he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Have you not denied the Savior by making him a mere chance-giver? Are you not uncertain of your final destiny because you do not trust Him to get you to Heaven? Do you not trust in the idol of water-baptism, a human work? And have you not added in other works for salvation, contrary to Ephesians 2?

Dp you not deny the following?:

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for
He shall save His people from their sins.

Now is the day of salvation, Kenneth. Now is the time to trust Christ as only & sufficient Savior.
You come on here calling people names and bragging about how many degrees you have. You throw out the same scriptures over and over which is nothing more than a smokescreen and you never answer the hard questions, just more nonsense.And you're calling someone else a hypocrite ?
 

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Imaginary Confessions of Christ

No one has found a verse that says that unbaptized believers are damned.

But rabbit paths have been added to the discussion, like confessing Christ. Thus we thump with you a bit.

Thus it seems well to point out that certain heretics who "confess" that Jesus is Michael the archangel, would (wrongly) claim that they have confessed Christ.

Some deny that Christ is really a Savior, making Him a mere chance-giver. Thus don't imagine that you have "confessed Christ," when you are telling everyone how He is a mere chance-giver, not only & sufficient Savior. Don't imagine that you have confessed Christ while you in fact confess water-baptism as savior (thus an idol of human works).

If you will confess the Lord Jesus, then confess that He is YHWH and that He is the Savior Who
Saves His people from their sins.

Confess that He is only & sufficient Savior. Confess that He is the shepherd who gives His sheep eternal life so that they never perish. Repent of phony confessions.
 

Atwood

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bragging about how many degrees you have.
Here we go again, typically Alligator tells me how he prefers scholars to me. In response I tell him my education. Then he says he doesn't care about my degrees and accuses me of bragging. Give me a break.

You throw out the same scriptures over and over which is nothing more than a smokescreen and you never answer the hard questions, just more nonsense.And you're calling someone else a hypocrite ?
If someone lists his spiritual pedigree as a basis of his salvation, it is quite proper to ask him the QUESTION if he is the Pharisee or the Publican of the story. That is not calling someone anything.
He came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Wear whatever shoe fits.

And what of yourself, Alligator?

Is your trust in the crucified & risen SAvior to save you from your sins, or is it in your miserable alleged good works? All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.

All men need to confess that and throw self on God's mercy & grace, depending on the Savior.

Now is the day of salvation.
 
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Re: Imaginary Confessions of Christ

No one has found a verse that says that unbaptized believers are damned.

But rabbit paths have been added to the discussion, like confessing Christ. Thus we thump with you a bit.

Thus it seems well to point out that certain heretics who "confess" that Jesus is Michael the archangel, would (wrongly) claim that they have confessed Christ.

Some deny that Christ is really a Savior, making Him a mere chance-giver. Thus don't imagine that you have "confessed Christ," when you are telling everyone how He is a mere chance-giver, not only & sufficient Savior. Don't imagine that you have confessed Christ while you in fact confess water-baptism as savior (thus an idol of human works).

If you will confess the Lord Jesus, then confess that He is YHWH and that He is the Savior Who
Saves His people from their sins.

Confess that He is only & sufficient Savior. Confess that He is the shepherd who gives His sheep eternal life so that they never perish. Repent of phony confessions.
well, you are wrong. I have in fact, confessed Christ. You know absolutely.nothing about me. By the way, show me in Scripture where your favorite phrase, chance giver, I s found.
 

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No one has proven that an unbaptized believer is condemned. And aside from that, some want to argue about water baptism saving.

Someone quoted F.F. Bruce. I myself studied under FF Bruce at the University of Manchester. When I met him, he had lost his Bible, if he ever had it. So while Bruce's commentaries are generally profitable, he is not a reliable scholar; for he did not believe God's word. I asked him about it, & he said, ~"If Paul said it, I accept it." Yet he also said, "Paul overargues himself"! And when considering contrasting Resurrection accounts, whether they contradicted each other, he said like "We all see through a glass darkly." Bruce is no standard on doctrine, since his approach to scripture was apparently not synthetic. If you allow for "James says this, but Paul says that" (& they disagree), or Paul says X in 1 Cor, but Y in 2 Cor (& they disagree), you cannot do doctrine.

Thus Bruce's opinion on baptism is beside the point. There is no reason to accept something because Bruce said it. Spirit-baptism is a good explanation of Mark 16:16 as water is not mentioned and the Lord Jesus, as opposed to John the Baptist, was predicted to baptize with the Spirit. Indeed, near the same time the Lord Jesus told the apostles in Acts 1 that they would be baptized with the Spirit not many days hence.

Seabass is ever using the word "So" when what he said does not imply his conclusion. Indeed he has shown a remarkable illogic in trying to prove his water-baptism theory.

No passage ever teaches that water baptism saves. Neither Mark 16 nor Acts 2:38 have water in them. And moreover, Mark 16 never says that baptism of any kind says. It does say that if you believe & are baptized you will be saved, but if you don't believe you will be condemned. Logic dictates that the verse does not say that any kind of baptism is essential to salvation.

Neither does 1 Pet 3 say that water baptism saves. Water baptism is a picture of salvation.
 

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Re: Imaginary Confessions of Christ

As the disgustion goes on,
No disguster has found a verse that says unbaptized believers are condemned.

well, you are wrong. I have in fact, confessed Christ. You know absolutely.nothing about me. By the way, show me in Scripture where your favorite phrase, chance giver, I s found.
Christ is no chance-giver in the Bible; but he is a chance-giver for those who deny He saves those who trust Him, but somehow they can lose the salvation. That is advocating chance-giver instead of Savior. Those who trust water-baptism instead of the SAvior also do not confess Christ; they confess a Christ who does not exist; for the real Christ is only & sufficient Savior.

Any who have written off Christ as mere chance-giver, are urged to actually trust Him to get them to Heaven, not just give them a shot at it.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. -- that is the only Christ to know.
 
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A little truth to mask a lot of deception. Indeed Baptizo does mean immersion but the immersion is likened unto a pickle Baptizo in the brine solution while the washing with water is bapto.

Scripture teaches that salvation is by grace not by water baptism. Salvation by grace is accomplished through hearing the word of God and the direct action of the Holy Spirit creating new life in the soul dead in trespass and sin.

Slaughtering the word of God with exegesis that is flat out foolish will never prevail.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
You claim deception but you don't back it up. Salvation is by grace but that doesn't mean we don't have a part in it. It's called OBEYING Christ. OSAS people will never understand this simple truth. By the way, I thought you believed in faith alone. So which is it, grace or faith?
 

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You claim deception but you don't back it up. Salvation is by grace but that doesn't mean we don't have a part in it. It's called OBEYING Christ. OSAS people will never understand this simple truth. By the way, I thought you believed in faith alone. So which is it, grace or faith?
It's always been grace. Grace precludes any part of me being in it. Work excludes grace. So which is it? are you saved by your works or are you saved by Gods grace? You can never earn salvation. You can never deserve salvation. You can never repay salvation and you can never be worthy of salvation. You baptismal regenerationists are way off in your doctrine.

For the cause of Christ
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As the disgustion goes on,
No disguster has found a verse that says unbaptized believers are condemned.



Christ is no chance-giver in the Bible; but he is a chance-giver for those who deny He saves those who trust Him, but somehow they can lose the salvation. That is advocating chance-giver instead of Savior. Those who trust water-baptism instead of the SAvior also do not confess Christ; they confess a Christ who does not exist; for the real Christ is only & sufficient Savior.

Any who have written off Christ as mere chance-giver, are urged to actually trust Him to get them to Heaven, not just give them a shot at it.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. -- that is the only Christ to know.

Christ is no chance-giver in the Bible; but he is a chance-giver for those who deny He saves those who trust Him, but somehow they can lose the salvation. That is advocating chance-giver instead of Savior. Those who trust water-baptism instead of the SAvior also do not confess Christ; they confess a Christ who does not exist; for the real Christ is only & sufficient Savior.

Any who have written off Christ as mere chance-giver, are urged to actually trust Him to get them to Heaven, not just give them a shot at it.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. -- that is the only Christ to know.



Why don't you just copy and past this same replyto every post, oh wait, you're already doing that. because that's apparently all you know. Continue to preach a lie and see where you end up.
 
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supposing you were to ask someone the question ...Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed ? and they answer I know nothing of the Holy Spirit, what would your response be?......
First I would make sure that they confessed Jesus Christ as Lord and believed that God raised him from the dead. I would let them know that through that confession and belief they were born again of Spirit and how that relates to being baptized with holy Spirit making them one in the body of Christ. Of course, I would have my Bible to show them through the word of God.
The rest would depend on their specific questions.
 
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Baptizo means a literal immersion.

Proper exegesis: F.F. Bruce: “baptism in the New Testament is always baptism in water unless the context shows it to be something else; that is to say, the word is always to be understood literally unless the context indicates a figurative meaning” (Questions Answered, p. 106).

Baptism is not used figuratively in Mk 16:16 but a literal immersion in water. Mk 16:15,16 along with Mt 28:19,20 and Lk 24:47 are all accounts of Christ's great commission where disciples (humans) were commanded to do the baptizing and humans administer water baptism as Phillip did with the eunuch.

So water baptism does save, Mk 16:16; Acts 2:38; 1 Pet 3:21 because God has made water baptism the point as to where He saves.
Matt. 3:11 - I [John] indeed baptize (baptiz0) you with water unto repentance: but he [Jesus] that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he [Jesus] shall baptize (baptiz0) you with holy Spirit and fire:

Matt. 20:22,23 But Jesus answered and said, You know not what you ask. Are you able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized (baptiz0) with the baptism that I am baptized (baptiz0) with? . . . . He had to be speaking of being baptized with holy Spirit because of course they could be baptized with water! (Mk. 10:38,39)

Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized (baptiz0) you with water: but he [Jesus] shall baptize (baptiz0) you with the holy Spirit.

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize (baptiz0) you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy t unloose: he shall baptize (baptiz0) you with the holy Spirit and with fire:

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize (baptiz0) with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he with baptizeth with the holy Spirit.

Same word used when speaking of being baptized with holy Spirit so it must be available to be immersed in holy Spirit; i.e. filled with holy Spirit.

Excuse the "0" in baptiz0 but my computer kept wanting to correct the spelling to baptize!

  1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
  2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe

  3. to overwhelm"Note on Baptism in Ac. Baptism in water (such as John's) is distinguished from baptism with the Holy Spirit (i. 5, etc.). Those who receive the latter, however, may also be baptized in water (cf. xi. 16 with x. 47); and there is one example of people who had previously received John's baptism receiving Christian baptism as a preliminary to receiving the Spirit (xix. 3 ff.). John's was a baptism of repentance (xiii. 24; xix. 4), as was also Christian baptism (ii. 38), but as John's pointed forward to Jesus (xix. 4), it became obsolete when He came. Christian baptism followed faith in the Lord Jesus (xvi. 31 ff.); it was associated with His name (ii. 38; viii. 16, etc.), which was invoked by the person baptized (xxii. 16); it signified the remission (ii. 38) or washing away of sins (xxii. 16); sometimes it preceded (ii. 38; viii. 15 ff.; xix. 5), sometimes followed (x. 47 f.) the receiving of the Spirit." (F. F. Bruce. The Acts of the Apostles [Greek Text Commentary], London: Tyndale, 1952, p. 98, n. 1.)This word should not be confused with baptô (911). The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (baptô) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptizô) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change
 
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No one has proven that an unbaptized believer is condemned. And aside from that, some want to argue QaUOTE] water baptism saving.

Someone quoted F.F. Bruce. I myself studied under FF Bruce at the University of Manchester. When I met him, he had lost his Bible, if he ever had it. So while Bruce's commentaries are generally profitable, he is not a reliable scholar; for he did not believe God's word. I asked him about it, & he said, ~"If Paul said it, I accept it." Yet he also said, "Paul overargues himself"! And when considering contrasting Resurrection accounts, whether they contradicted each other, he said like "We all see through a glass darkly." Bruce is no standard on doctrine, since his approach to scripture was apparently not synthetic. If you allow for "James says this, but Paul says that" (& they disagree), or Paul says X in 1 Cor, but Y in 2 Cor (& they disagree), you cannot do doctrine.

Thus Bruce's opinion on baptism is beside the point. There is no reason to accept something because Bruce said it. Spirit-baptism is a good explanation of Mark 16:16 as water is not mentioned and the Lord Jesus, as opposed to John the Baptist, was predicted to baptize with the Spirit. Indeed, near the same time the Lord Jesus told the apostles in Acts 1 that they would be baptized with the Spirit not many days hence.

Seabass is ever using the word "So" when what he said does not imply his conclusion. Indeed he has shown a remarkable illogic in trying to prove his water-baptism theory.

No passage ever teaches that water baptism saves. Neither Mark 16 nor Acts 2:38 have water in them. And moreover, Mark 16 never says that baptism of any kind says. It does say that if you believe & are baptized you will be saved, but if you don't believe you will be condemned. Logic dictates that the verse does not say that any kind of baptism is essential to salvation.
[/QUOTE=Atwood]Neither does 1 Pet 3 say that water baptism saves. Water baptism is a picture of salvation.
LOL, a man with 5 degrees who cannot read,
 
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Still SeaBass gives no verse where an unbaptized believer is condemned.



It is not that Mark 16:16 is false doctrine, it is your addition to it that is false doctrine.

Given: If A + B, then C;

Proves nothing about
If not B . . .

MK 16:16 porves an unbaptized believer cannot be saved. You flawed logic is just that, flawed.

Your premise requires that it takes both "a" AND "b" to get "c". Therefore your premise makes getting "c" IMPOSSIBLE without both "a" and "b". If "b' is not required, then your premises is false. You cannot have it both ways like you keep on trying to have it.
 
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Still no one has found a passage that condemns an unbaptized believer.



Well NewB, Good Monday morning.

Yes, I posted a ton of scripture that belief/faith plus nothing yields salvation. To Him who works not, but believes, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.

Fear not to take the place of the Publican how smote his chest & said, God be merciful to me a sinner.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works lest CC chatters should boast.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for
He shall save His people from their sins.

Mark 16:16
 

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Many the Tiddlywink may go plink,
but no verse can be found condemning a believer for being unbaptized.

You claim deception but you don't back it up. Salvation is by grace but that doesn't mean we don't have a part in it. It's called OBEYING Christ. OSAS people will never understand this simple truth. By the way, I thought you believed in faith alone. So which is it, grace or faith?
Alligator, neither you nor I will go to Heaven by obeying Christ. You don't obey Christ. You are a sinner like myself & all men. Also you are contradicting yourself to advocate following teachings of Christ before the cross, because you claim there was a different way of salvation back then not applicable to today.

Man has no part in Grace; grace is God's part.
Man's part is to believe (faith, trust in the Savior.)

For by grace you have been saved through faith;
And that not of yourselves,
not of works lest anyone posting at CC should boast.

Anyone reading this who has been dismissing the wonderful Savior, styling him as a "chance-giver," must needs repent of that sin, and trust Him to save you.

Could my tears forever flow,
Could my zeal no languor know;
These for sin could not atone;
Thou must save, and thou alone;
In my hand no price I bring;
Simply to thy cross I cling.


Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for
He shall save His people from their sin.

Note all these believe/faith only passages without one drop of water in them:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16 howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.
1 Tim 1:15-17
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.
Eph 1:10ff
to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, I say in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be unto the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ: 13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,— in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption of God’s own possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh shall be justified.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life.

John 3:14-18

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 1For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 1He that believes on him is not judged: he that believes not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth hath eternal life.

John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

1 John 5:10-12
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in him: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he hath not believed in the witness that God hath borne concerning his Son. And the witness is this, that God gave unto us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath the life; he that hath not the Son of God hath not the life.
Ps 37:5-6
Commit thy way unto YHWH;
Trust also in him, and he will bring it to pass.
And he will make thy righteousness to go forth as the light,
And thy justice as the noonday.


Acts 15:8

And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Acts 26:18b

that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.

Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.

Rom 3:21-30

But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.

Rom 4:1ff

:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness. 6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.

9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness. 10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.

Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.

Rom 10:4ff

For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes. For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down:) or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.


Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Gal 3:

This only would I learn from you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh? 4 Did ye suffer so many things in vain? if it be indeed in vain. 5 He therefore that supplieth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 7 Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed. 9 So then they that are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one who continues not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them. Now that no man is justified by the law before God, is evident: for, The righteous shall live by faith; 12 and the law is not of faith; but, He that doeth them shall live in them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one who hangs on a tree: that upon the Gentiles might come the blessing of Abraham in Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gal 3:22ff

But the scripture shut up all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
 
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The thread asks for a verse that condemns unbaptized believers. Mark 16 has no such reference. There is nothing said about unbaptized believers there at all. However, there is a condemnation of unbelievers, which condemnation omits reference to baptism.
 
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Matt. 3:11 - I [John] indeed baptize (baptiz0) you with water unto repentance: but he [Jesus] that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he [Jesus] shall baptize (baptiz0) you with holy Spirit and fire:

Matt. 20:22,23 But Jesus answered and said, You know not what you ask. Are you able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized (baptiz0) with the baptism that I am baptized (baptiz0) with? . . . . He had to be speaking of being baptized with holy Spirit because of course they could be baptized with water! (Mk. 10:38,39)

Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized (baptiz0) you with water: but he [Jesus] shall baptize (baptiz0) you with the holy Spirit.

Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize (baptiz0) you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy t unloose: he shall baptize (baptiz0) you with the holy Spirit and with fire:

John 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize (baptiz0) with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he with baptizeth with the holy Spirit.

Same word used when speaking of being baptized with holy Spirit so it must be available to be immersed in holy Spirit; i.e. filled with holy Spirit.

Excuse the "0" in baptiz0 but my computer kept wanting to correct the spelling to baptize!



None of those verses promise anyone today baptism with the Holy Ghost.

There is one baptism, Eph 4:5; and it is human administered water baptism of Christ's great commission, Mt 28:19,20.
The eunuch was water baptized, Paul water baptized, 1 Cor 1:14,16.