Is Antichrist from Rome or Islam?

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Jackson123

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Not Muslim...

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2Th 2:4)

Muslims wouldn't fall for someone exalting himself above their 'Allah'.
Good point
 

PlainWord

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Not Muslim...

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (2Th 2:4)

Muslims wouldn't fall for someone exalting himself above their 'Allah'.
The Jews or Christians would? Who would fall for someone who claims to be above their God? Would anyone? Obviously someone does. I'm saying this Man of Sin may claim to be Allah or perhaps that he is both Allah and God and Buddha and every God to all people. He is all "Gods."
 

PlainWord

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Definitions:

Christ is a title it means king, messiah, or anointed one.

Jesus is the son of God, Christ Jesus or Jesus the Christ.

King Saul and many other kings were called Christ. Today Christ can stand for CEO, President, or King.

If someone were anti-Obama, you could also say they are an anti-Christ.

Do you think anti-Christ and anti-Jesus are the same? Why is it never written the anti-Jesus?
If someone who is anti-Obama is an anti-Christ there are a lot of them in this country, 58% or more.
 
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watty

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Now you get it! Satan has everyone looking in the wrong places for the wrong things. Those who try to destroy the Kingdom of God are the Anti-Jesus or Anti-Christ Jesus or Anti Jesus the Christ. No exactly who the enemy is before you shoot!
 
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The_highwayman

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Antichrist is not an person it is a spirit. The Beast is a literal person mentioned in Revelations, with a spirit of antichrist.

The word antichrist is never mentioned in the book of revelation, only 1 John records that title.
 
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watty

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Antichrist is not an person it is a spirit. The Beast is a literal person mentioned in Revelations, with a spirit of antichrist.

The word antichrist is never mentioned in the book of revelation, only 1 John records that title.
When you are using the term Anti-Christ as Anti-Jesus the Christ you are correct. The Spirit of the Anti-Jesus the Christ enters persons at the will of the Spirit Satan which are not God's people.
 
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The_highwayman

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When you are using the term Anti-Christ as Anti-Jesus the Christ you are correct. The Spirit of the Anti-Jesus the Christ enters persons at the will of the Spirit Satan which are not God's people.
Antichrist is not a physical person
 

iamsoandso

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Antichrist is not an person it is a spirit. The Beast is a literal person mentioned in Revelations, with a spirit of antichrist.

The word antichrist is never mentioned in the book of revelation, only 1 John records that title.
That's good thinking,,if in Revelations 17;7 the angel said to John "I will tell you the mystery of the woman and the (beast) that carrieth her ect." then at the time this was written(ad96 give or take) then John (did not know who the beast was),if so he would not have needed the angel to tell him,,then comparing this verse to the letters of John(1,2,3,john) if the "antichrist was the same ast the beast" then John wrote and gave the definition of the "antichrist/beast" before he knew what it was(this cannot be so),,so he understood what the "antichrist" was when he wrote "1,2,3,John and gave the definition(spirit of antichrist),,but did not understand the "harlot or the beast" until he was on Patmos and the angel "explained it to him(rev.17;7).
 

Jackson123

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[h=2]Antichrist - Definition and Meaning, Bible Dictionary[/h]www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/antichrist

The New Testament indicates the presence of cosmic opposition to God through reference primarily to forces, people, or a person who seek to deceive those who already know God's Messiah. The cosmic struggle with evil is now chiefly localized in the church. So the spirit of antichrist ( 1 Jo 4:3 ), the false Christs ( Mark 13:22 ) and antichrists ( 1 Jo 2:18 ), the antichrist ( 1 John 2:18 1 John 2:22 ; 4:3 ; 2 John 1:7 ), the man of lawlessness ( 2 Th 2:3 ), and the "desolating sacrilege" ( the 1:1 Mark 13:14 the ; masculine participle suggesting a person such as the antichrist ) all concentrate their activity on the elect or the community of faith. These figure(s) lie and deny Christ ( 1 John 2:22 ; 2 John 7 cf. 1 John 4:3 ), lead astray ( Mark 13:22 ), oppose and even declare himself as God in the temple ( 2 Thess 2:4, ; cf. Mark 13:14 ).
 

Jackson123

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The Real Christ and the Antichrist
The Literal Meaning of "Antichrist"
As used in the Bible, the term combines the Greek word, "anti", with the title commonly given to Jesus. The main meaning of this word is, "instead of" or, "in place of".
"Antichrist", therefore means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ".
It could be someone who bears the actual name, "Antichrist".
It could be someone who falsely claims to be Christ.
It could be a false Christ, promoted by others, in place of the real one.
It could be someone who falsely claims authority to speak for and exercise the authority of the real Christ.
Less obviously, but nevertheless equally valid, it could describe a religion with the outward form of Christianity, but using the Bible and the name of the real Jesus, to disguise a Christ whose teachings and standards are quite different to those of the real one. Such a Christ would also be, really, a false Christ and those who preached about him would be false prophets.
All of these possibilities imply apostate, counterfeit Christianity and, in fact, all are relevant to our recognition of the identity of Antichrist.
In John's first epistle we are told that the prophecies about Antichrist do not speak of one person, but many; are not for a remote future, but already begun; and they speak of men who claim to be Christian, but are not.
This is our starting point. We do not need to indulge in speculation about the future. This will only cloud our vision of the truth about the past and the present. Instead we need to identify the counterfeit forms of Christianity, which clearly bear the identifying marks found in the word of God and have existed almost since the beginning of the church.

The Prophecy by Jesus
Although neither Jesus nor the Old Testament prophets specifically mentioned the word "Antichrist", the term was used by the Apostle John in his epistles, in a way which shows that it was a familiar subject for the church at the end of the first century. It had been prophesied, John said, and now the prophecy was being fulfilled.
For John to say this, there must be a recognisable prophecy, somewhere in the Bible, which predicts the appearance of men who fit both John's description and the literal meaning of the word, described in the previous chapter. Since the term, "Antichrist", does not appear elsewhere in the Bible, it will be a prophecy which uses other words to describe the same thing.
This leads us directly to the prophecy, made by Jesus himself, in Matthew 24: 4-5,11 & 23-24.
Here Jesus foretold the appearance of false Christs and false prophets, who would lead their followers into deception. These counterfeits, Jesus said, would not be obvious, but sometimes so subtle and so hard to distinguish from the real thing that even true believers would find it difficult to recognise the deception.
The prophecy is not limited to one single person. Jesus said that MANY would come in his name, claiming to be Christ. Nor is the prophecy limited in time. We may expect MANY at DIFFERENT TIMES.
The prophecy is about many counterfeit forms of Christianity, adopted by many counterfeit Christians, following counterfeit Christs and using the name of Jesus as a cloak for their deceptions.
The history of the fulfilment of this prophecy is the history of "Antichrist".

Next: The Antichrist in the First Century



Who replace Christ?

Seem to me Pope claim to be Christ on earth.

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Jackson123

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I believe The Antichrist NT is like the antichrist in the first century. They not teach about Allah, or Hindu or Buddha,

They teach about Christ, but it is false Christ. Like Mormon, Catholic, Jehovah witness, among those three, Catholic is the strongest.





The Antichrist in the First Century
Paul's letters to Galatia and Corinth both refer to the existence of "other Gospels". In the letter to Corinth, Paul also refers to a "different spirit" and "another Jesus".
These terms find parallels in John's letters to the church of the late first century, where he is the only New Testament writer to use the term, "Antichrist", (and then only four times). John wrote these letters to deliver a strong warning to the church about some false Christians who, he says, are a fulfilment of the prophecy they have heard, about the coming of Antichrist. These false Christians spoke of a Jesus who bore the right name, but, in other ways, was quite different to the real one. Their Jesus was so different that he was, in fact, a false Christ. This is why John calls them "Antichrist"
Firstly, he says, "you have heard that Antichrist is coming". (1 John 2:18). This, of course, is a reference to the prophecy, spoken by Jesus himself, which was discussed in the previous section.
John also says, "many Antichrists have come" (1 John 2:18). The prophecy was not for some distant future. It was already being fulfilled.
Then John describes clearly the difference between real Christianity and the false teaching of the Antichrists so that those early Christians and their spiritual descendants will be equipped to "test the spirits".
1. Their false Jesus was neither the Son of God nor the prophesied Christ (1 John 2:22).
2. Their false Jesus was not really a man (1 John 4:2 & 2 John 7).
3. They did not abide in the teaching of Christ (2 John 9).
4. They loved the world and were of the world and what they said was of the world (1 John 2:15 & 4:3-5).
5. They were deceivers (1 John 3:7).
6. Their false Christ condoned sin and they continued in sin. (1 John 1:6, 2:4 & 3:10).
7. They were haters and murderers. (1 John 2:10-11 & 3:11-18).
8. They refused to listen to the real Christians. (1 John 4:6)
In denying Jesus as the Christ, they also rejected God as their Father, losing all access to faith and the love of God (1 John 5:1-2).
In denying Jesus as the Son of God, they lost the key to victory over sin (1 John 5:3-5).
In denying his humanity, they rejected his call for all other humans to mould their own human obedience to conform to his perfect human example (2 John 7-9, Matt. 5:48, 1 Peter 1:15-16).
In their failure to abide in his teaching, they became unfruitful, fit only to be thrown into the fire and be burned (John 15:6).
In their love for this world, they lost sight of the eternal values of the world to come (1 John 2:15-17).
As deceivers, they identified themselves as children of the Devil, the father of lies.(John 8:44)
Condoning sin and continuing in sin, they lived in willful disobedience. They claimed to love God, but their disobedience revealed the truth that, actually, they hated both the real Jesus and also the Father who sent him. (John 14:24 & 15:22-23 & 1 John 4:20 & 5:2)
As haters and murderers they lived in darkness, shut off from the light of truth and eternal life (1 John 3:15).
In refusing to listen to the real Christians, they revealed that they were not of God, but still of the world (1 John 4:5-6).
 

Jackson123

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DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
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SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964


16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues
.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.


Catholic teach Muslim and Catholic share the same God. Yet Catholic believe Christ is God.

The antichrist teach about Christ but false Christ.
 

notuptome

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Antichrist will likely need to be Jewish. The Jews will not follow a gentile on spiritual matters. Just saying.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Jackson123

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Antichrist will likely need to be Jewish. The Jews will not follow a gentile on spiritual matters. Just saying.

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Roger
Seem reasonable, but he must teach about false Christ, and pretend to be Christ on earth, eat least not teach about Islam or Buddha.
 
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The_highwayman

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Antichrist will likely need to be Jewish. The Jews will not follow a gentile on spiritual matters. Just saying.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Are you speaking about Rabbinical Jews or Messianic Jews?
 
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The_highwayman

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Why would a Messianic Jew be here when the antichrist appears?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Sorry Roger, I did not see the other remarks....I see you point now.
 

Jackson123

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I just remembered something.

Who targeted by Antichrist? Christ follower or Non Christian.

Jews is not Christ Follower they don't believe in Jesus. they in Antichrist side.

The Antichrist doesn't need to convince Jews to follow him. Non believer is automatically his follower.

The Antichrist will put mark on his follower, so Christian can not live, because they can not buy food.
 
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Kerry

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Look 95% of Israel are atheist, they will accept the false Messiah because he brings piece to their war torn state. For them to that he must be a Jew. In my opinion a Syrian Jew.