Jesus was a feminist

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psychomom

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Yeah Ellie, I realized that in the west, feminism has a whole different ideology than the one I am used to.


For women like me in the east, where women are really suppressed and just downright looked down on, feminism means equality between men and women.

Not elevation.

However when I did visit the USA, I had a lot of culture shock with regards to how women were there.

So there is this discrepancy between people on how they view it.


I just wish we extend compassion to this young lady because at the end of the day, we're a family of God. To tear into her, because of a definition we all don't agree on is unChristlike.


Blessings :)
thanks, Rachel. sometimes i feel we in the west need at least one daily reminder that there's a whole big world out there.
(especially we Americans...:( )

in that respect, the OP was almost bound to hit the two of us differently.
i guess i'm growing jaded, because i can't automatically assume the OP is either young, or female. :(
been burned here before, you see.

but if that flag is to be believed, the OP is from this country, and the chances he/she has fallen victim to
the prevailing attitudes aren't too bad. :(
in that my sympathy is fully aroused.

normally i would simply say nuttin'...but feel a woman should say something in these cases,
and i'm really glad you said something, too.

my daughters tell me years of patriarchy created feminists' need to push their agenda.
i deplore the ideas of women as property, or as 'less than' men. i'm glad my mom's generation worked
for equal work opportunities and equal pay. i'm glad my grandmother's worked for suffrage.

but although three lefts make a right, two wrongs do not.
:rolleyes:

thanks and love,
ellie
 

posthuman

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A feminist is someone who supports the equality of all sexs

shouldn't we call that "equitism" or something then?

calling someone who supports equality of both genders a "feminist" seems unfair to males.

:p
 
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biscuit

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That's essentially referring to what I said. It's an advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of sexual equality. But it is not the advocacy of men's rights on the grounds of sexual equality. That's why I take issue with people who claim feminism fights for equality of all sexes. It only fights for equality of women to men, not the other way around.

Of course, that's not to say a feminist can't support men's rights as well![/QUOTE

They don't support men's rights & never will. The early days of the Women's Movement was about equal rights, in which many men, including myself , agreed with. Later came a hardcore or evil version of women's rights that we know today as trying to 'breakdown the male structure of power," as we have seen in the divorce courts, DV and crimes.

Nevertheless, these feminists are trying to destroy a foundation set forth by God, and women in general are paying a terrible price for abandoning God's doctrines for Satan's version. Sure women have made social, political & economic gains due to pressure from feminists. But those gains are small compared to those women who have fallen into poverty, despair, frustration & depression. Those women who are opposing God's doctrines in regards to the sexes are/will be paying a bigger price for following Satan, especially during the Tribulation Period, where it will be free for all ... and who will then protect the so-called rights or gains by women made through political threats.
 
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biscuit

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Question: "What does the Bible say about feminism? Should a Christian be a feminist?"

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This question is especially important to Christian women. Does the Word of God address feminism? The modern concept of feminism was not present during the time that the Bible was written, but that does that mean that the Bible has nothing to say on the basic issues of feminism. Even when the Scriptures seem to be silent on something that affects us today, there are eternal principles that speak to the underlying issue.

First, we should define feminism, since the term can have different meanings for different people. Basically, feminism is a philosophy that advocates equal rights for women and men—socially, politically, economically, and in other ways. Early feminists fought for and won suffrage for women. Today’s feminism goes further than demanding equal treatment of men and women, however. Modern feminists fight for language equality (saying “chairperson” instead of “chairman,” even if the person in question is male) and gender equality (redefining femininity and masculinity). The more radical feminists actively seek to overthrow any vestige of male dominance in society, to the point of opposing the biblical roles of husbands and wives, defending abortion on demand, and promoting lesbianism. Radical feminists deny there is any difference between men and women, teaching that any perceived differences between the sexes are due solely to social conditioning.

Modern feminism is a counterfeit solution to the real issue of the inequality of women in a sinful society. Feminism arrogates to itself the right to demand respect and equality in every aspect of life. Feminism is based in arrogance, and it is the opposite of the call to the born-again believer to be a servant. The modern, militant feminists call women to rise up and rebel against the order that God has given to mankind. That brand of feminism seeks to impose humanistic values in direct opposition to the Word of God. Feminism was originally a positive movement, focused on giving women the basic rights God intends for every human being to have. Tragically, feminism now focuses on destroying all distinctions in the roles of men and women.

What then should be a Christian’s view of feminism? A believing woman, who is seeking to obey God and walk in peace and grace, should remember that she has equal access to all spiritual blessings in Christ. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). A believing woman should not allow herself to be used as a pawn in the worldly agenda of the feminist movement. Men and women have a God-given privilege to fulfill the plan He has set for us. Rebellion against that plan and the arrogance that seeks to put self above God’s Word bring difficult consequences. We see those consequences in the destruction of the relationship between husbands and wives, the destruction of the family, and the loss of respect for human life.

“For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does—comes not from the Father but from the world” (1 John 2:16). The principles of the fall are present in this verse. Eve believed the lie that eating the fruit would bring her wisdom. She lusted, and she took something that was forbidden. This is the basis for the modern feminist movement. Women have bought into the lie that feminism will bring them the power and freedom they think they want and deserve. However, the promise is empty, for the premise is rooted in pride—and pride goes before a fall (Proverbs 16:18).

The last decades have seen the rise of a society that is so concerned with political correctness and so sensitive to being “offended” that civility has lost its way. However, this is really nothing new, for there has always been inequality in the world. It is sad but true that artificial barriers have always divided humanity—barriers that have no basis in God’s Word. It is sin in the heart that causes inequality. It is sin that causes men to treat women in ways that are meant to demean or objectify them. And it is sin that seeks counterfeit solutions to counteract these inequalities. The only true cure for inequality is obedience to God’s Word. If men and women would walk in obedience to God’s Word, radical feminism would be seen for what it is, and the harmony that God has ordained between men and women would result.

Recommended Resources: A Woman After God's Own Heart by Elizabeth George andLogos Bible Software.

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Agricola

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I am a victim of feminism. Feminism is nasty and has turned sexism on its head. The work I am seeking to be employed in is now run by women and only women seem to get those jobs. a few weeks ago I was interviewed and was told the practical trial assessments I was outstanding. However someone scored a couple of extra points on the interview and so got the job, that person was female.

Jesus was not a feminist. He was the greatest liberator of women, demonstrated they were free from the constraints of the laws and social etiquette of the day, but certainly not a feminist, if Jesus was a feminist then all the disciples would have been women.
 
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OP must not know what feminism is, and what Jesus Actually taught

But probably likes to interpret scripture in a way that seems best to her
 

Mem

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I appreciate the differences in sexes, but believe in their equal worth. I cringe at the word "feminist," it has misandric undertones and is equated with man bashing. When I speak of equity, I mean it in terms of worth, not one of equation. I don't think the term "equitist" exists,... yet.
 

Mem

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I would like to make a point addressing governance from an observation from albeit minimal research into conflict resolution and intrastate violence, in which Norway is the model of peace, prosperity, and charity. Interestingly, she has a whopping 35% of women in positions of governance. I am not certain that God's intent was not that we rule beside one another.
 

crossnote

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Actually with Jesus the tension was not male/female but rather self righteous/broken in spirit.
Hmmm, come to think of it I don't recall any self righteous women approaching Jesus.
 

Matthew4Jesus

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I wont say what first came into my head when I read this post.

''Let all women learn quietly in submissiveness, I do not permit women to teach or exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet."---- 1 Timothy 2:11-12


"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord"---- Ephesians 5:22


I really wonder sometimes... Feminism is of course not biblical.

Here is some sincere advice, if you want something other than the truth, don't take a lie and claim it to be true in the name of Christ.
 

Mem

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What do you make of these verses of Romans 16?

2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer (recoverer, saver, rescuer) of many, and of myself also.

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Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.



 
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psychomom

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i have to chuckle at these threads in which the OP drops a bomb
designed to stir up controversy, and then mysteriously disappears. :)
 
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well, yeah! :)

i just mean that Jesus not only became one of us, He is pro-people.

to think He went through all He did so Paul could say there's neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female...

just so we could make a big deal of it again. :(
I guess Paul couldn't say that at all if he was to ignore that rest of what he said in scripture as to a mans roll and a womans roll because then it would become as it has...confusion. But there's the difference between God and man, God is not a God of confusion. That's is why we study all of God's word and not pull out of context scripture that has nothing to do with the OP.
 

Mem

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i have to chuckle at these threads in which the OP drops a bomb
designed to stir up controversy, and then mysteriously disappears. :)
Whoa, do you mean to say there are creeps in here?! Ha!
 
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psychomom

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I guess Paul couldn't say that at all if he was to ignore that rest of what he said in scripture as to a mans roll and a womans roll because then it would become as it has...confusion. But there's the difference between God and man, God is not a God of confusion. That's is why we study all of God's word and not pull out of context scripture that has nothing to do with the OP.
i absolutely agree men and women have differing roles in family life and in the church.

but i don't think that means God views His sons differently than He views His daughters, right? :)
 
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Revelator7

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The name Christianfeminist makes me uneasy. This is the name of the OP. It shows me that such a person has an unhealthy interest in bias and very strong opinionism. It exlcudes the idea of men being of any regard. There is obviously an emotional attachment to hurt. It could simply be from the words of Paul when talking about women in the church. It could come from anything. Pray for healing and simplicity. The heat of your post shows deeply seated fire. But I'm not feeling the vibe. I don't think this fire is good. You are stumbling in ignorance and arrogance. You can't fix a problem unless it is identified. that's the only reason i'm pointing these things out. You're focusing on something with such a zeal. You need to relax. take a breath. enjoy life as a woman of God and know that a beautiful woman to God is a woman of a gentle and quiet spirit.
 
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Revelator7

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regarding salvation and eternal security, there is no male or female. all are the same, a son and a daughter. and a father loves them both.
regarding the order in the church, there is designation between male and female. but your identity is not found in your position or job in the church or in the world. many people get confused and stuck in the idea that their identity (who they are) is in what they are to do and not to do. a person is found in who God is to them and who they can be to God, not in deeds but in heart and in faith. gay people suffer with the thought that they are gay because that's who they are, that its not a choice. so some even reject God for that. i knew a christian who struggled with homosexuality and he believed that he had to accept himself for "who he was". i feel that this person , the OP may struggle with the issue of her identity.
 
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Ugly

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Look, I can understand you are very passionate against feminists, but may I remind you that behind screen names are people?

It might seem very easy to slam someone and congratulate yourself on that, but just ask yourself what spirit are you doing it in?

If you are against her post, then maybe address what is wrong with it, instead of attacking her personally.

Really, as a Christian, you don't have to be nasty to someone.

You can always explain your viewpoint in kindness. Where is the love for others?
Keep in mind that among the first few post christianfeminist put up were to go around and say 'eww that's gross' to others posts that she disagree with. She hasn't exactly been a beacon of kindness herself. My first thought when i saw her initial posts was 'troll' as well.




I also don't remember 'go into all the world and preach the gospel...... of feminism' being anywhere in the bible.
 
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psychomom

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I also don't remember 'go into all the world and preach the gospel...... of feminism' being anywhere in the bible.
LOL! :)
good one.

Ugly, just saying for those who may not know you yet...

this man loves women. supports us, defends us, and has, i think, a pretty profound ministry
among those women who are being or have been hurt by men.

for the record...

 
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blueorchidjd

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I don't want to word this in a mean way, but I will say it in the most articulate way that I can lol.
Sometimes, we like to play the victim.
But I agree with what this woman says