How old was Adam when he begot Seth?

[granpa]

Genesis 5:
This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. And Adam lived 130 years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

septuagint:
THIS [is] the genealogy of men in the day in which God made Adam; in the image of God he made him: male and female he made them, and blessed them; and he called his name Adam, in the day in which he made them. And Adam lived 230 years, and begot [a son] after his [own] form, and after his [own] image, and he called his name Seth

 

[oldhermit]

I would have to go with the Masoretic text and say 130.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Genesis 5:
This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. And Adam lived 130 years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

septuagint:
THIS [is] the genealogy of men in the day in which God made Adam; in the image of God he made him: male and female he made them, and blessed them; and he called his name Adam, in the day in which he made them. And Adam lived 230 years, and begot [a son] after his [own] form, and after his [own] image, and he called his name Seth

the hebrew text is correct and the septuagint is incorrect...

to make a long story short...if you add up all of the chronological information in the septuagint version of genesis 5...it shows methuselah surviving the flood and dying seven years later...which creates a huge contradiction...

the chronology of the hebrew text on the other hand has no such difficulties...it has methuselah dying in the same year the flood happened...

 

[Nautilus]

not sure if how old adam was makes a huge difference in the end though.

 

[granpa]

it should make a difference to all those anal retentive people that make a big fuss over every tiny little jot and tittle of the Scriptures

 

[MaggieMye]

it should make a difference to all those anal retentive people that make a big fuss over every tiny little jot and tittle of the Scriptures

NO...it should not.

 

[pastac]

it is really a non issue kinda like how old was God when he created the earth???? non issue at all

 

[Markum1972]

not sure if how old adam was makes a huge difference in the end though.

The end is precisely what it makes a difference with, and everything in between. Not sure how you can see it as being irrelevant.

You cannot accurately see the events of each day without it being correct. Unless of course you disagree with what Peter wrote in the scriptures. That would be a separate issue in and of itself.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[JimmieD]

Genesis 5:
This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. And Adam lived 130 years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.

septuagint:
THIS [is] the genealogy of men in the day in which God made Adam; in the image of God he made him: male and female he made them, and blessed them; and he called his name Adam, in the day in which he made them. And Adam lived 230 years, and begot [a son] after his [own] form, and after his [own] image, and he called his name Seth

The Samaritan Pentateuch has 130 too.

 

[Nautilus]

The end is precisely what it makes a difference with, and everything in between. Not sure how you can see it as being irrelevant.

You cannot accurately see the events of each day without it being correct. Unless of course you disagree with what Peter wrote in the scriptures. That would be a separate issue in and of itself.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

knowing adams actual age when he had seth is not going to impact my life in any way.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Looks like more ammo for those who are trying to change the definition of inerrancy.

"Since 2011, more alarming statements from Licona have surfaced, including: (1) A denial of the historicity of the mob falling backward at Jesus’ claim “I am he” in John 18:4-6 (RJ, 306, note 114); (2) A denial of the historicity of the angels at the tomb recorded in all four Gospels (Mat. 28:2-7; Mark 16:5-7; Luke 24:4-7; John 20:11-14) (RJ, 185-186); (3) A denial of the accuracy of the Gospel of John by claiming it says Jesus was crucified on the wrong day (debate with Bart Ehrman at Southern Evangelical Seminary, Spring, 2009); (4) A claim that the Gospel genre is Greco-Roman biography which he says is a “flexible genre” in which “it is often difficult to determine where history ends and legend begins” (RJ, 34). Amazingly, these views continue to gain support among the evangelical community.

These are the professors of some of the finest evangelical schools in the nation, who are responsible for training the pastors of today and future generations, and they are saying that they are comfortable with these verses not being factual. This is an outright departure from the historic definition of inerrancy."

source:What is biblical inerrancy?

A special thanks to crossnote for providing the above source link in another post.

 

[granpa]

well then lets all close our eyes and pretend that there is no conflict between the Septuagint and the Masoretic text

that is clearly the best way to discover God's truths

how do you know the errors weren't put there deliberately by God to teach us something?

 

[JimmieD]

well lets all close our eyes and pretend that there is no conflict between the Septuagint and the Masoretic text then

There are conflicts between the Masoretic Text, Septuagint, and Samaritan Pentateuch (as well as other dating sources like Jubilees). They're all different.

 

[oldhermit]

well lets all close our eyes and pretend that there is no conflict between the Septuagint and the Masoretic text then

that is clearly the best way to discover God's truths

The greatest majority consensus among the body of scholarship is that the Masoretic text is superior to the LXX in almost every way.

 

[JimmieD]

knowing adams actual age when he had seth is not going to impact my life in any way.

Does it impact your life? Probably not. But I think the OP is probably going to make a point about inerrancy in the near future on this thread. Basically, that the ages of people in Genesis are unreliable. There are multiple sources for the various ages, none of which agree with one another.

 

[granpa]

The greatest majority consensus among the body of scholarship is that the Masoretic text is superior to the LXX in almost every way.

truth is not a democracy. It is not determined by majority vote

 

[JimmieD]

The greatest majority consensus among the body of scholarship is that the Masoretic text is superior to the LXX in almost every way.

Most of the scholarship I'm aware of treats the Masoretic Text and LXX as both coming from at least 2 different and earlier Hebrew editions. This is mostly due to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. There are instances - plenty of them - where the LXX and DSS agree with each other over and above the MT. It's not as simple as the MT being superior. Sometimes it is, but sometimes it isn't.

 

[oldhermit]

truth is not a democracy. It is not determined by majority vote

Your are right of course however, it falls to the body of linguistic scholarship to determine the most reliable text based on a number of factors.

 

[oldhermit]

Most of the scholarship I'm aware of treats the Masoretic Text and LXX as both coming from at least 2 different and earlier Hebrew editions. This is mostly due to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. There are instances - plenty of them - where the LXX and DSS agree with each other over and above the MT. It's not as simple as the MT being superior. Sometimes it is, but sometimes it isn't.

Yes, this is why I qualified my statement by "almost" every way. It is not a perfect text any more that the others.