Is the God of Islam...God?

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Is the God Muslims pray to really God?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 11.5%

  • No

    Votes: 27 51.9%

  • I Don't Know

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • No, and it is Satan/Demons/Idols they pray to

    Votes: 16 30.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Total voters
    52
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kaylagrl

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Flamingspirit said:
You may believe what you want, but until "Kaylagirl" figures out the cause(s) of her own death, then you should know what they say about opinions.

Where do you all get your information from, TV Hollywood? Always remember that the world is DESIGNED to keep you against another!
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Find out the cause of my own death? Can you be clear what you mean here? I dont get any info from Hollywood,I cant stand their foolishness! What has this to do with the Bible? Do you believe what it says or do you not.Apparently you dont.
 
Flamingspirit

Flamingspirit

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kaylagrl said:
Find out the cause of my own death? Can you be clear what you mean here? I dont get any info from Hollywood,I cant stand their foolishness! What has this to do with the Bible? Do you believe what it says or do you not.Apparently you dont.
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You believe what the news man says regarding Muslims, Isis or any other sect as these? Then you love Hollywood! If the man in front of that camera has to wear makeup and reads from a script, THEN HE IS AN ACTOR! (Like Brad Pitt)

The wages of sin is death! We all die, thus what are we? Sinners! And if all sinners, who are you are anyone else to separate one sin from another?
 
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TaylorTG said:
The Muslims may not worship Christ, who is the visual image of God, but they nevertheless adore the personhood of God the Father, who is the God of Abraham.

The Muslims may not fully comprehend God, but they nevertheless honor him and some of his divine truths.

The Muslims may worship a distorted image of God, but it would be wrong to objectively say that they worship a false God.
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Well, the God of the Muslims wants them to kill Jews...

that doesn't sound much like the God of Abraham.
 
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Flamingspirit

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maxwel said:
Well, the God of the Muslims wants them to kill Jews...

that doesn't sound much like the God of Abraham.
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Have you ever read about who God wants killed in the bible? I'm quite positive that their Qu'ran is just as symbolic as our bible.
 
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Jackson123

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I believe this video is follow up from lumen gentium.

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.[18] There is, first, that people to which the covenants and promises were made, and from which Christ was born according to the flesh (cf. Rom. 9:4-5): in view of the divine choice, they are a people most dear for the sake of the fathers, for the gifts of God are without repentance (cf. Rom. 11:29-29). But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

[video=youtube_share;_An_cTHmIIo]http://youtu.be/_An_cTHmIIo[/video]
 
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Undertaker

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GuessWho said:
The Muslims have a misconception about us. They always argue "how can God have a son if He didn't have a wife?"

They have a childish understanding of the Trinity. They think we believe God is the biological father of Jesus Christ.
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It's Christ-worshipers' conception. Muslims have nothing to do with this.

If we go back to the earliest writings of the Church, and quickly examine some sources, we see the “marital and spousal” aspect of this mystical language used in a second century AD document called the Odes of Solomon; and as we proceed up through history we see mention of it in the writings of St. Augustine (4th century), St. Ildephonsus, archbishop of Toledo, Spain (7th century), St. Germanus, patriarch of Constantinople (7th century), Cardinal St. Peter Damian (11th century), St. Bonaventure (13th century), Emmanuel d’Alzon (19th century), and, in the many scholars of the 20th century, such as Cardinal Joseph Suenens, Karl Rahner, Pope John Paul 2, Rev. Peter Damian M. Fehlner, F.F.I., and Pope Benedict 16th.
A few examples of how the word “spouse” is used in these theological contexts may be helpful. In 1979, on Pope John Paul 2 first pilgrimage to the United States, he gave a sermon on our Blessed Mother at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception and made this point in relation to Mary:
“…Through her, the Sun of Justice was to rise in the world. Through her, the great healer of humanity, the reconciler of hearts and consciences, her Son, the God-Man, Jesus Christ, was to transform the human condition and by his death and resurrection, uplift the entire human family. As a great sign that appeared in the heavens, in the fullness of time, this woman dominates all history as the Virgin Mother of the Son, as the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, and as the Handmaid of humanity.”

(excerpted from Mary’s Yes – Meditations on Mary Through The Ages, edited by John Rotelle, O.S.A., Servant Press, Ann Arbor, 1988 )
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Wife of the Father

The seventh century Church Father, Saint John of Damascus seems to be the first to write of Mary as spouse of God the Father. In his treatise on the Assumption, he states that, "It was fitting that the spouse whom the Father had taken to himself, should live in the divine Mansions"5. Some medieval writers, such as Rupert of Deutz and Ubertino of Casale continued to use this image, as did Saint Lawrence of Brindisi 6. Mary's "espousal" to the First Person of the Trinity became a popular area of discussion in the Ecole Francaise, a seventeenth-century French school of theology/mariology 7. Jean-Jacques Olier, a member of this school, seems to have written on this topic more than any other writer 8. Here are some samples of his (somewhat exaggerated) views on this subject: God the Father, as a holy and faithful husband, wants to unite the most holy Virgin to himself and give her the perfect possession of his Person, his treasures, his glory and all his goods" 9. For God the Father...wills that, in the mystery of the Incarnation, Mary should be his true and unique spouse, since he has destined her to be, with himself, the principle in the temporal generation of the Word, to do with him, in the Incarnation, what he does alone in eternity" 10.
(The Father) conceives for her all the affection of a spouse" 11




[5]Pius XII (1950) Munificentissimus Deus, 20.
[6]O'Carroll 333
[7]Hilda Graef, Mary: A History of Doctrine and Devotion (New York: Sheed, 1964): 31.
[8]O'Carroll 272.
[9]Graef 35.
[10]O'Carroll 272-3.
 [11] Ibid 273
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kaylagrl

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Flamingspirit said:
You believe what the news man says regarding Muslims, Isis or any other sect as these? Then you love Hollywood! If the man in front of that camera has to wear makeup and reads from a script, THEN HE IS AN ACTOR! (Like Brad Pitt)

The wages of sin is death! We all die, thus what are we? Sinners! And if all sinners, who are you are anyone else to separate one sin from another?
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My friend you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Gods Word and plan of salvation. God judges and has already judged right from wrong,He has already done that job.The Muslim faith is against God and therefore he has judged it as wrong.I dont need a news man to tell me ISIS is wrong,I can read the Quran myself and know its wrong.Correction and judging are two different things.We are told in the Bible to snatch souls from hell.Tell them the truth of Gods Word.You have a bad understanding about the gospel.
 
Flamingspirit

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kaylagrl said:
My friend you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Gods Word and plan of salvation. God judges and has already judged right from wrong,He has already done that job.The Muslim faith is against God and therefore he has judged it as wrong.I dont need a news man to tell me ISIS is wrong,I can read the Quran myself and know its wrong.Correction and judging are two different things.We are told in the Bible to snatch souls from hell.Tell them the truth of Gods Word.You have a bad understanding about the gospel.
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Can I forgive a Muslim for being one? If I choose to pardon his sins, is there any law against that? Yes or no...

This is what it means to be led by the Spirit. Isis is wrong, but is it REAL? If these people are doing such, WHO funds them? Where do they hide? If simple police here is killing people over selling "illegal" cigarettes, how come their government struggles in putting down a few bandits? How long do you think a group of gangbangers here can go on a rampage like that before our government and it's armed forces put it down? Why not there? Maybe because both governments are funding the movie script!


Because use they know the people is gullible enough to believe it as to start a Muslim Christian war!
 
Flamingspirit

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Over there they may well be showing how Christians badly mistreat Muslims in the name of Jesus! How would you know? Most get their information from newspapers and TV. Tell a vision!
 
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Jackson123

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Flamingspirit said:
Over there they may well be showing how Christians badly mistreat Muslims in the name of Jesus! How would you know? Most get their information from newspapers and TV. Tell a vision!
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Real Christian is love because Jesus in our heart is love and will bear the fruit of love.
 
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kaylagrl

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Flamingspirit said:
Can I forgive a Muslim for being one? If I choose to pardon his sins, is there any law against that? Yes or no...

This is what it means to be led by the Spirit. Isis is wrong, but is it REAL? If these people are doing such, WHO funds them? Where do they hide? If simple police here is killing people over selling "illegal" cigarettes, how come their government struggles in putting down a few bandits? How long do you think a group of gangbangers here can go on a rampage like that before our government and it's armed forces put it down? Why not there? Maybe because both governments are funding the movie script!


Because use they know the people is gullible enough to believe it as to start a Muslim Christian war!
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I do not believe conspiracy theories.ISIS is evil,the Muslim faith is evil according to the Bible.End of story.
 
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kaylagrl

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Flamingspirit said:
Exactly! Real Christians are about LOVE because Jesus in our hearts IS love! And it will surely bare fruit!
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God is love but also the righteous judge.You cant accept one and not the other.We are to warn people in error to save their souls.
 
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kaylagrl said:
God is love but also the righteous judge.You cant accept one and not the other.We are to warn people in error to save their souls.
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The whole world is judged! Hint ... One day we must leave the flesh as well! Whether by death and destruction or by unity in life and the narrow path.
 
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JesusIsAll

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kaylagrl said:
God is love but also the righteous judge.You cant accept one and not the other.We are to warn people in error to save their souls.
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Ode to Islam,

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
 
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john832

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kaylagrl said:
God is love but also the righteous judge.You cant accept one and not the other.We are to warn people in error to save their souls.
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Too many people think that because God is love, He is nicey-nice and standing around wringing His hands at sin and thinking "I sure wish those people would be nice."

Nothing could be further from the truth. Take a look at Sodom if you think that God is soft on sin.
 
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