JUDGING VS CORRECTION<THE TOLERANCE DOCTRINE

[elf3]

Fruitless deeds is anger, hatred and so on..... You cannot produce any good from these acts, but the only thing you will gain by these acts is enemies. So if I goes up to the Homosexuals and tell them that what they are doing is very nasty in my sight and my children sight, and even in the sight of the Lord, and so how do you think they will feel after being called a dirty nasty being? Do you like being referred as something that is nasty? I noticed that people when they become older, they break out with a bunch of skin tags all over their faces because of not eating the proper foods God had once desire us to eat. But they were raise eating these foods; and so, should we go to the retirement homes and start calling the residence there, that they has been naughty because they has them nasty dark skin tags all over their faces? I wonder how would they feel if someone did that?

Um you need to approach it with love for them as children of God. Example; the church I attend will accept homosexual into service. If they display it someone will talk with them explaining the Biblical truth. If they take it harshly and leave it's on them not us. The Bible is God's Word not a pack of m&m's to to be given as a "feel good" pill. All we do is plant the seed and speak God's truth. The Holy Spirit touches the heart.

Your old folks home thing has nothing to do with Biblical truth according to God's grace.

 

[Hizikyah]

Proverbs 27:5-6, "Open rebuke is better than concealed love. Faithful are the wounds from a friend, but the kisses from an enemy are deceitful."

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

People who say "thou shalt not judge" have usually judged someone else to have done something wrong. So, if judging is wrong, then they're guilty of breaking the rule themselves.

The Bible is littered with the calling out of wrong-doings. Paul constantly points out the errors of the churches in the N.T., for example.

Does this "though shalt not judge" crowd walk up to pastors after sermons and complain about sermons judging particular actions or inactions? After all, aren't most sermons judgmental as they point out the sinful nature and shortcomings of humans and encourage a more holy walk?

 

[kaylagrl]

People who say "thou shalt not judge" have usually judged someone else to have done something wrong. So, if judging is wrong, then they're guilty of breaking the rule themselves.

The Bible is littered with the calling out of wrong-doings. Paul constantly points out the errors of the churches in the N.T., for example.

Does this "though shalt not judge" crowd walk up to pastors after sermons and complain about sermons judging particular actions or inactions? After all, aren't most sermons judgmental as they point out the sinful nature and shortcomings of humans and encourage a more holy walk?

Ahhh! Great point you have there brother!!

 

[fredjames]

Sadly the ignorant women, not the ones who are obedient and submissive to the New Covenant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, but the 'ones' who are behaving like 'goats' in 'lawlessness' attitude violating the written and established New Covenant, who are not 'silent' but in the flesh and teaching and justifying New Covenant righteousness in ignorance, in their 'self'.

If they agree with each other that they are 'saved' by the Blood of CHRIST alone, then they are not 'safe' from the New Covenant sound doctrine knowledge of 'behavior' 'up building' and 'abiding' and bear fruit, that in ignorant failure, result to 'lawlessness' rejection in the future, by our LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself, as it is written to also about women obedient and submission to the Word(CHRIST), about them to also 'abide',

Please witness their behavior and is there a 'gentle' and 'quiet' spirit like their Mother Sarah, as according to the epistle of Apostle Peter. Or a spirit of 'jezebel', where queen jezebel justified matters in her 'self', for the chosen King of Israel in the past, while the King of Israel was quiet.

LORD JESUS CHRIST is also quiet, because HE have already given us the New Covenant of the FATHER, in order for all of us, men and women to 'abide' in all of them and be set free and bear fruit.

Having the gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT and remain in 'carnality', will only make us proud and put our 'self' above others.

That is what is happening here and the women who are in ignorant to all of this, that have been written as an Kingdom 'order' to it's citizens, men and women, only,

as it is written;

"Accumulating troubles for youselves on judgement day."

No unworthy and least important men of GOD can 'rebuke' and 'correct' them using Holy Scripture. They ignore what has been quoted about them and they also in reply quote and defend them 'selves' ignorantly.

They are perfect and there is no false in them, and men must learn and recognize them as they teach back to us about the New Covenant righteousness.

What a sad and poor picture of character showing in their replies. And other weak men and women are becoming their believers and followers, continuing in 'milk' and 'showing off' 'falsehood' in character, neglecting the New Covenant 'spirit and life', already established order, and called in 'practices'.

 

[kaylagrl]

Sadly the ignorant women, not the ones who are obedient and submissive to the New Covenant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, but the 'ones' who are behaving like 'goats' in 'lawlessness' attitude violating the written and established New Covenant, who are not 'silent' but in the flesh and teaching and justifying New Covenant righteousness in ignorance, in their 'self'.

If they agree with each other that they are 'saved' by the Blood of CHRIST alone, then they are not 'safe' from the New Covenant sound doctrine knowledge of 'behavior' 'up building' and 'abiding' and bear fruit, that in ignorant failure, result to 'lawlessness' rejection in the future, by our LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself, as it is written to also about women obedient and submission to the Word(CHRIST), about them to also 'abide',

Please witness their behavior and is there a 'gentle' and 'quiet' spirit like their Mother Sarah, as according to the epistle of Apostle Peter. Or a spirit of 'jezebel', where queen jezebel justified matters in her 'self', for the chosen King of Israel in the past, while the King of Israel was quiet.

LORD JESUS CHRIST is also quiet, because HE have already given us the New Covenant of the FATHER, in order for all of us, men and women to 'abide' in all of them and be set free and bear fruit.

Having the gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT and remain in 'carnality', will only make us proud and put our 'self' above others.

That is what is happening here and the women who are in ignorant to all of this, that have been written as an Kingdom 'order' to it's citizens, men and women, only,

as it is written;

"Accumulating troubles for youselves on judgement day."

No unworthy and least important men of GOD can 'rebuke' and 'correct' them using Holy Scripture. They ignore what has been quoted about them and they also in reply quote and defend them 'selves' ignorantly.

They are perfect and there is no false in them, and men must learn and recognize them as they teach back to us about the New Covenant righteousness.

What a sad and poor picture of character showing in their replies. And other weak men and women are becoming their believers and followers, continuing in 'milk' and 'showing off' 'falsehood' in character, neglecting the New Covenant 'spirit and life', already established order, and called in 'practices'.

Fred how many years do you have in the ministry? You are the one who is bragging not me. You call yourself a man of God.How many years have you served in a church as a pastor or some such ministry? No one is teaching false doctrine. You are patting your self righteous self on the back.I'm not teaching anything,just making a comment in a forum. Your problem with me is that I am a woman so you think I have no right to comment.Still patting yourself on the back and not answering the post.So if you could lower yourself enough to answer this question "How long have you been in the ministry?" Could you answer that with a straight answer?

 

[Straightshot]

2 Timothy
4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

 

[oldthennew]

PROVERBS 15.:6
In the house of the righteous is much treasure: but in the revenues of the wicked is trouble.

 

[elf3]

Sadly the ignorant women, not the ones who are obedient and submissive to the New Covenant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, but the 'ones' who are behaving like 'goats' in 'lawlessness' attitude violating the written and established New Covenant, who are not 'silent' but in the flesh and teaching and justifying New Covenant righteousness in ignorance, in their 'self'.

If they agree with each other that they are 'saved' by the Blood of CHRIST alone, then they are not 'safe' from the New Covenant sound doctrine knowledge of 'behavior' 'up building' and 'abiding' and bear fruit, that in ignorant failure, result to 'lawlessness' rejection in the future, by our LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself, as it is written to also about women obedient and submission to the Word(CHRIST), about them to also 'abide',

Please witness their behavior and is there a 'gentle' and 'quiet' spirit like their Mother Sarah, as according to the epistle of Apostle Peter. Or a spirit of 'jezebel', where queen jezebel justified matters in her 'self', for the chosen King of Israel in the past, while the King of Israel was quiet.

LORD JESUS CHRIST is also quiet, because HE have already given us the New Covenant of the FATHER, in order for all of us, men and women to 'abide' in all of them and be set free and bear fruit.

Having the gifts of the HOLY SPIRIT and remain in 'carnality', will only make us proud and put our 'self' above others.

That is what is happening here and the women who are in ignorant to all of this, that have been written as an Kingdom 'order' to it's citizens, men and women, only,

as it is written;

"Accumulating troubles for youselves on judgement day."

No unworthy and least important men of GOD can 'rebuke' and 'correct' them using Holy Scripture. They ignore what has been quoted about them and they also in reply quote and defend them 'selves' ignorantly.

They are perfect and there is no false in them, and men must learn and recognize them as they teach back to us about the New Covenant righteousness.

What a sad and poor picture of character showing in their replies. And other weak men and women are becoming their believers and followers, continuing in 'milk' and 'showing off' 'falsehood' in character, neglecting the New Covenant 'spirit and life', already established order, and called in 'practices'.

So basically you say man good woman bad? Women must submit to man? Too bad you didn't know my mom. She would have had you sitting in a chair taking notes on what she had to teach about God's word.

I know some women here that would have you dumbfounded by what they know about God's Word. They could teach you a lot if you would open your head.

 

[Straightshot]

"I know some women here that would have you dumbfounded by what they know about God's Word. They could teach you a lot if you would open your head"


No question about it

 

[Bookends]

The unbelievers are judged by us by our righteous living in Christ. Nothing really needs to be said. Some or most will have contempt towards us. The meek in heart will come to know Christ through us who live in harmony with each other by the leading of the Holy Spirit.

I can live among the filth, just don't ask me to support it. This is where I draw the line.

1 Corinthians 6:2New American Standard Bible
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? (the world will not be judge by us if we have contempt of each other and can't live in love and in unity!!!!)

John 17
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“I do not pray for these alone (the disciples), but also for those (future believers) who will believe in Me through their (the disciples'/Christians') word; [SUP]21 [/SUP]that they all may be one (unity, the body of Christ), as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us (unity in the Trinity), that the world may believe that You sent Me (our unity reveals the glory of God to the world).


We are to judge our brothers and sisters in Christ with humility and gentileness.

Galatians 6:1
New American Standard Bible
Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.

 

[kaylagrl]

So basically you say man good woman bad? Women must submit to man? Too bad you didn't know my mom. She would have had you sitting in a chair taking notes on what she had to teach about God's word.

I know some women here that would have you dumbfounded by what they know about God's Word. They could teach you a lot if you would open your head.

Thank you elf. I'm willing to listen to others opinions but when they start acting they have a special line with God its a bit much. I've been raised in church,spent my life in Sunday school. I traveled 20 yrs in ministry. That is not to brag on me just that I have heard a lot more sermons in my day then most people will ever hear.Still I can learn and do learn more about the truth of Gods Word.But when someone attacks your character and says you are purposely leading people away from the truth that makes me righteously indignant. Fred doesn't answer the posted questions he just attacks me and anyone who agrees with me.So I guess the best thing one can say is "by their fruits ye shall know them".

 

[elf3]

Thank you elf. I'm willing to listen to others opinions but when they start acting they have a special line with God its a bit much. I've been raised in church,spent my life in Sunday school. I traveled 20 yrs in ministry. That is not to brag on me just that I have heard a lot more sermons in my day then most people will ever hear.Still I can learn and do learn more about the truth of Gods Word.But when someone attacks your character and says you are purposely leading people away from the truth that makes me righteously indignant. Fred doesn't answer the posted questions he just attacks me and anyone who agrees with me.So I guess the best thing one can say is "by their fruits ye shall know them".

Hehe maybe he will attack me instead divert the attack from someone else to me I can take it

Yeah I might not "be all there" and I don't know everything but I sure do love spreading and defending God's Word and defending fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. For in no way whatsoever am I ashamed of God's Word (Rom 1:16).

I don't stand alone for Christ holds me up and I have a HUGE family in Christ.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Thank you elf. I'm willing to listen to others opinions but when they start acting they have a special line with God its a bit much. I've been raised in church,spent my life in Sunday school. I traveled 20 yrs in ministry. That is not to brag on me just that I have heard a lot more sermons in my day then most people will ever hear.Still I can learn and do learn more about the truth of Gods Word.But when someone attacks your character and says you are purposely leading people away from the truth that makes me righteously indignant. Fred doesn't answer the posted questions he just attacks me and anyone who agrees with me.So I guess the best thing one can say is "by their fruits ye shall know them".

You show a lot of deep spirituality, Kaylagrl. My Dad used to say, and maybe one isn't supposed to use the word here, so here's a paraphrase, "Don't let the illegitimately-born-males get you down."

 

[Jackson123]

I believe Judging involve penalty. Say I am the leader of the church. I see one of my member commit what I believe heresy, than I kill him. It is judging.
If say you are heresy and I rebuke with love, it is not judging

 

[elf3]

I believe Judging involve penalty. Say I am the leader of the church. I see one of my member commit what I believe heresy, than I kill him. It is judging.
If say you are heresy and I rebuke with love, it is not judging

Very true brother. It's all in the way we approach it. It's not an "I'm better than you" judging. it's an "I love you so therefore...".

Yes we can judge and are called to judge but ONLY in the correct fasion.

 

[kaylagrl]

You show a lot of deep spirituality, Kaylagrl. My Dad used to say, and maybe one isn't supposed to use the word here, so here's a paraphrase, "Don't let the illegitimately-born-males get you down."

Lol !! Smart man your dad. I grew up discussing the Bible with my parents,world views and current issues.They were always up to date on what was going on in the world.So I learned a lot from them.But there is always more to learn.Some very thoughtful and deep folk here and I enjoy learning new things from them.

 

[elf3]

Lol !! Smart man your dad. I grew up discussing the Bible with my parents,world views and current issues.They were always up to date on what was going on in the world.So I learned a lot from them.But there is always more to learn.Some very thoughtful and deep folk here and I enjoy learning new things from them.

We can all learn from other brothers and sisters in Christ if we are willing to open our minds and let the Holy Spirit speak to us.

Some minds are so close and locked it amazes me.

 

[kaylagrl]

We can all learn from other brothers and sisters in Christ if we are willing to open our minds and let the Holy Spirit speak to us.

Some minds are so close and locked it amazes me.

Yes,unfortunately I think that close mindedness turns people away from the gospel a lot of times.

 

[elf3]

Yes,unfortunately I think that close mindedness turns people away from the gospel a lot of times.

Oh for sure. Young, old, woman or man we can all learn from others. But that will never happen if we close our hearts to the Holy Spirit.