THE GREAT DEBATE...LAW AND GRACE

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul;

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."


Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

Still ignoring.

Have you fulfilled the righteous requirement of the law?

Here you go again..

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

So admit to the room..

Are you under the curse of the law. or have you somehow been able to be good enough to NOT be cursed from the law?

 

[Hizikyah]

Still ignoring.

Have you fulfilled the righteous requirement of the law?

Here you go again..

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

So admit to the room..

Are you under the curse of the law. or have you somehow been able to be good enough to NOT be cursed from the law?

I fully submit to Yahweh's Law, gladly and joyfully, I love it. When I read it I realize who He wants me to be, it helps me to focus my prayers because I know I have such a long way to go. It helps me to realize who HE is. It makes me want to hold fast to Him.

Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."

But I don't think is because of anyting I have done, because before I never wanted to hear any rules or guidance, but something changed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I fully submit to Yahweh's Law, gladly and joyfully, I love it. When I read it I realize who He wants me to be, it helps me to focus my prayers because I know I have such a long way to go. It helps me to realize who HE is. It makes me want to hold fast to Him.

Psalm 19:7-10, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb."

But I don't think is because of anyting I have done, because before I never wanted to hear any rules or guidance, but something changed.

Your still not answering the question.

Have you fulfilled the just requirement of the law?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

Its great that you wish to obey Gods commands. But that is not the point.

Have YOU FULFILLED THE LAW?

 

[Hizikyah]

Your still not answering the question.

Have you fulfilled the just requirement of the law?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

Its great that you wish to obey Gods commands. But that is not the point.

Have YOU FULFILLED THE LAW?

No I am not perfect. I have not.

Does that mean I should ignore everything Yahshua (Jesus) said?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No I am not perfect. I have not.

Does that mean I should ignore everything Yahshua (Jesus) said?

No, I never said that,

So are you still cursed by the law or not?

 

[Hizikyah]

No, I never said that,

So are you still cursed by the law or not?

No curses here.

Just trying to love Yahweh my Father with all my heart, and with all my soul, and with all my might and trying to love my neighbor as myself. May Yahweh guide.

Matt 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

 

[Hizikyah]

No, I never said that,

So are you still cursed by the law or not?

It seems you want very very badly for the Law to be a bad thing....

Proverbs 6:23, "For the commandments are a lamp, the Law is light, and reproofs of instruction are the way to life."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It seems you want very very badly for the Law to be a bad thing....

Proverbs 6:23, "For the commandments are a lamp, the Law is light, and reproofs of instruction are the way to life."

no I do not want the law to be a bad thing, it seems like you do. the law is a very good thing to those to whom it does what it was intended to do.

why will you not admit your still cursed by the law? is it that hard to admit what is fact?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No curses here.

Just trying to love Yahweh my Father with all my heart, and with all my soul, and with all my might and trying to love my neighbor as myself. May Yahweh guide.

Matt 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

no curses?

then you call moses a liar, and paul a liar (and in reality, God a liar, because he is the one who MADE moses give that curse to all the people who were given the law)

then the law has not done its job in you. The schoolmaster has failed in your attempt to come to God.

if you do not think you are still cursed. you can not come to God and beg for his mercy, you are like the pharisee, who thanks God your not a sinner.

 

[Hizikyah]

no I do not want the law to be a bad thing, it seems like you do. the law is a very good thing to those to whom it does what it was intended to do.

why will you not admit your still cursed by the law? is it that hard to admit what is fact?

no curses?

then you call moses a liar, and paul a liar (and in reality, God a liar, because he is the one who MADE moses give that curse to all the people who were given the law)

then the law has not done its job in you. The schoolmaster has failed in your attempt to come to God.

if you do not think you are still cursed. you can not come to God and beg for his mercy, you are like the pharisee, who thanks God your not a sinner.

Wow your pronouncing curses on me and telling me I act like a Pharisee?

I know im not perfect, but I pray with open hands hiding nothing from my Father.

 

[Mitspa]

So the true standard is not all the law and you really Dont have to keep it but just want to..and it really don't curse those who break it? Is that "upholding" the law?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So the true standard is not all the law and you really Dont have to keep it but just want to..and it really don't curse those who break it? Is that "upholding" the law?

yeah I love it.

They scream we try to excuse our sin, when in reality, we just admit our sin.

when it is they who are excusing their sin, because they can not admit the law they follow has them under a curse.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow your pronouncing curses on me and telling me I act like a Pharisee?

I know im not perfect, but I pray with open hands hiding nothing from my Father.

No. God pronounced a curse on you, I am not God, I can curse no one.

You know your not perfect. But you do not realise because of that you are cursed.

That is why you can not come to God as the tax collector. and allow him to remove the curse from you.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— [SUP]14 [/SUP]so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

How can God give you his redemption, if you think you are not cursed by the very law which curses you?

 

[Mitspa]

This is what the bible calls spiritual adultery some are married to moses to be justified by there own self righteous works and then they run to Christ when they fail for His righteousness.. an adultress generation!

 

[Hizikyah]

Yahchanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

 

[Hizikyah]

Messiah has freed us from the curses. Yet im supposed pronounce curses on myself, CRAZY!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Messiah has freed us from the curses. Yet im supposed pronounce curses on myself, CRAZY!

yes he did.

so you KNOW you will make it to heaven based solely on the blood of Christ correct?

 

[Hizikyah]

No. God pronounced a curse on you, I am not God, I can curse no one.

You know your not perfect. But you do not realise because of that you are cursed.

That is why you can not come to God as the tax collector. and allow him to remove the curse from you.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— [SUP]14 [/SUP]so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

How can God give you his redemption, if you think you are not cursed by the very law which curses you?

Really?...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yahchanan (John) 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

great verses..

but they do not show one how to be saved do they?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Really?...

yeah really.

I posted the verses which prove it.

Why will you not admit what moses and paul said, and admit you are still cursed by the law? (notice I did not say cursed by God, I said cursed by the law)