Once a person is sealed by the Holy Spirit, can this seal be broken?

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Once a person is sealed by the Holy Spirit, can this seal be broken?

  • YES

    Votes: 6 30.0%

  • NO

    Votes: 11 55.0%

  • DO NOT KNOW

    Votes: 3 15.0%
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peacefulbeliever said:
Numbers 11:16,17,25,26,29

And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the congregation, that they may stand there with thee. And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied and did not cease. But there remained two of the men in the camp the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; . . . .

And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD's people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

I also believe scripture. We both quoted scripture - which is the truth? Could there have been something in the translation? Why would God say "upon" in some places and "within" in others in the OT?

Then in the gospels Jesus teaches that he had to go away for the Comforter to come - the Comforter being the Holy Spirit - but NOT YET because he was not glorified. - I believe that the new birth is when the Spirit comes and lives "within" a person.
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Did john had the HS in him or upon him from the womb even though Jesus was not yet gloried ?
 
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peacefulbeliever said:
Numbers 11:16,17,25,26,29

And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the congregation, that they may stand there with thee. And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied and did not cease. But there remained two of the men in the camp the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; . . . .

And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD's people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

I also believe scripture. We both quoted scripture - which is the truth? Could there have been something in the translation? Why would God say "upon" in some places and "within" in others in the OT?

Then in the gospels Jesus teaches that he had to go away for the Comforter to come - the Comforter being the Holy Spirit - but NOT YET because he was not glorified. - I believe that the new birth is when the Spirit comes and lives "within" a person.
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[h=1]Genesis 41:37-38King James Version (KJV)[/h]37 And the thing was good in the eyes of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of all his servants.
38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?
 
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peacefulbeliever said:
Numbers 11:16,17,25,26,29

And the LORD said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the congregation, that they may stand there with thee. And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied and did not cease. But there remained two of the men in the camp the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; . . . .

And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD's people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

I also believe scripture. We both quoted scripture - which is the truth? Could there have been something in the translation? Why would God say "upon" in some places and "within" in others in the OT?

Then in the gospels Jesus teaches that he had to go away for the Comforter to come - the Comforter being the Holy Spirit - but NOT YET because he was not glorified. - I believe that the new birth is when the Spirit comes and lives "within" a person.
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[h=1]Luke 4:1King James Version (KJV)[/h]4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
[h=1]Luke 4:17-18King James Version (KJV)[/h]17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
 
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Angela53510 said:
Seriously, Dude! Do you know anything about covenants, about hermeneutics?

You are twisting Scripture to suit your ridiculous manmade religion.


We do NOT save ourselves by our works, but rather God chooses us and we become his children. That is not revokable!

"But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God," John 1:12
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[h=1]Psalm 125:3-4King James Version (KJV)[/h]3 For the rod of the wicked shall not rest upon the lot of the righteous; lest the righteous put forth their hands unto iniquity.
4 Do good, O Lord, unto those that be good, and to them that are upright in their hearts.
 
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Angela53510 said:
Seriously, Dude! Do you know anything about covenants, about hermeneutics?

You are twisting Scripture to suit your ridiculous manmade religion.


We do NOT save ourselves by our works, but rather God chooses us and we become his children. That is not revokable!

"But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God," John 1:12
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[h=1]Psalm 125 King James Version (KJV)[/h]125 They that trust in the Lord shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
2 As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the Lord is round about his people from henceforth even for ever.
3 For the rod of the wicked shall not rest upon the lot of the righteous; lest the righteous put forth their hands unto iniquity.
4 Do good, O Lord, unto those that be good, and to them that are upright in their hearts.
5 As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, the Lord shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity: but peace shall be upon Israel.
 
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BradC said:
Then you need to explain why those mentioned in (Heb 11) according to the scriptures are testified of in this manner...

39 And all of these, though they won divine approval by [means of] their faith, did not receive the fulfillment of what was promised,
40 Because God had us in mind and had something better and greater in view for us, so that they [these heroes and heroines of faith] should not come to perfection apart from us [before we could join them].

...and they were not all pristine men and woman without fault or personal sin and that includes Sampson and also Rahab the harlot. In (Heb 10:35) casting not away your confidence had its rewards and there will be some who will suffer the loss of rewards, yet be saved as by fire (1 Cor 3:15). The NT believer is sealed (a seal of ownership - purchased possession) with the Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 1:13) which is the earnest of our inheritance (v.14) unto the day of redemption (Eph 4:30), when we receive our new glorified bodies like unto His. It is a permanent seal and mark that sets apart the believer and it came by faith through the activity of God when the individual believed and its a fact that can not be reversed because it is a divine imputation (aorist, passive, indicative).
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If you attend church have you witnessed members who were baptised fall away and are in the world ?
 
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ELECT said:
If you attend church have you witnessed members who were baptised fall away and are in the world ?
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Many believers have settled on their lees (Jer 48:10,11) and have backslidden from following Christ and from the work of the Lord because they love the world and some of the things that are in the world that make them comfortable in the flesh. The Holy Spirit in them is grieved and they do not have the love of God operating actively in their heart. They do not like persecutions or hardships associated with following Christ and taking up a cross and do not want to identify with a ministry that is godly that suffers persecution for Christ's sake. They have been cleansed by the blood of Christ and will tell you that they love God, but they presently enjoy the pleasures of this life until God breaks their bottles.

If God tarries and you remain alive on earth in your present body in 20 years you will see the faithfulness of God very differently then you see it now. You will see God being faithful to his word and promises and to the work that he has begun in each member of his body. Some have been lead astray but the Shepherd will bring them back because he knows those who are his purchased possessions and he has promised to never leave or forsake them.
 
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notuptome said:
Who can consider themselves to have the authority to unseal what God has sealed?

Individual saints in Ephesus were sealed but in Revelation a church is backslidden. Two entirely different entities. In many churches today the glory of the Lord has long since departed. There man be a few old souls there who know the Lord but the organization of the church is long since departed from Gods truth.

For the cause of Christ
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God has sealed the group Christian and that group will always be sealed and no man can unseal that group. Yet one can fall from that group, but the group remains sealed and those that fall from the group do not remain sealed.
No individual is sealed unconditionally apart from the group.
 
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If one sealed with Holy spirit can one fall in sin?

Peter seal with Holy spirit, yet Paul rebuke him, one day.
 
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SeaBass said:
God has sealed the group Christian and that group will always be sealed and no man can unseal that group. Yet one can fall from that group, but the group remains sealed and those that fall from the group do not remain sealed.
No individual is sealed unconditionally apart from the group.
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How do you know, can you provide with the verse?
 
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SeaBass said:
God has sealed the group Christian and that group will always be sealed and no man can unseal that group. Yet one can fall from that group, but the group remains sealed and those that fall from the group do not remain sealed.
No individual is sealed unconditionally apart from the group.
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And what is the name of this group?
 
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Jackson123 said:
How do you know, can you provide with the verse?
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King Saul was appointed by God, David wouldn't even kill him because Saul was considered God's anointed. King Saul was disobedient and unrepentant, so he fell from God's favor (grace). If he had repented like Sampson, that would not have happened. While God does not change or break His promise, we can and do. Also remember that Christ himself chose Judas. jmo
 
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Jackson123 said:
If one sealed with Holy spirit can one fall in sin?

Peter seal with Holy spirit, yet Paul rebuke him, one day.
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The church at Ephesus was sealed, Eph 1:13 but later fell, Rev 2:1-7.
 
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SeaBass said:
The church at Ephesus was sealed, Eph 1:13 but later fell, Rev 2:1-7.
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Believers are sealed not churches. Churches will always have unbelievers in them that pose as believers. These are tare in the wheat which God will sort out. Our churches today are full of unbelievers polishing the pews with their seats but no closer to Christ than they were the night before in the night club.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Dan58 said:
King Saul was appointed by God, David wouldn't even kill him because Saul was considered God's anointed. King Saul was disobedient and unrepentant, so he fell from God's favor (grace). If he had repented like Sampson, that would not have happened. While God does not change or break His promise, we can and do. Also remember that Christ himself chose Judas. jmo
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It is sad that many cant see these basic principles in the bible God never fails ;)
 
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notuptome said:
Believers are sealed not churches. Churches will always have unbelievers in them that pose as believers. These are tare in the wheat which God will sort out. Our churches today are full of unbelievers polishing the pews with their seats but no closer to Christ than they were the night before in the night club.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Were some members who are present in the church turn into a tare ?
 
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