Once a person is sealed by the Holy Spirit, can this seal be broken?

[Viligant_Warrior]

If one sealed with Holy spirit can one fall in sin?

Peter seal with Holy spirit, yet Paul rebuke him, one day.

That's just sinning, which all Christians do. The OP implies that we can lose our salvation, which is impossible.

The church at Ephesus was sealed, Eph 1:13 but later fell, Rev 2:1-7.

That is not directed to the church. It is, from vv. 1-14, one long sentence (in the Greek) that details the gifts and assurances of the individual believer.

 

[ELECT]

Before JESUS the HOLY SPIRIT was upon then in the new covenant the HOLY SPIRIT was inside of those reborn.

Daniel had the HS in him and upon him same thing

 

[ELECT]

That's just sinning, which all Christians do. The OP implies that we can lose our salvation, which is impossible.

That is not directed to the church. It is, from vv. 1-14, one long sentence (in the Greek) that details the gifts and assurances of the individual believer.

Is this address to believers or unbelievers ?
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

 

[ELECT]

That's just sinning, which all Christians do. The OP implies that we can lose our salvation, which is impossible.

That is not directed to the church. It is, from vv. 1-14, one long sentence (in the Greek) that details the gifts and assurances of the individual believer.

revlation address who here the church or an indivdual ?

[h=1]Revelation 3:13-16King James Version (KJV)[/h]13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

 

[ELECT]

That's just sinning, which all Christians do. The OP implies that we can lose our salvation, which is impossible.

That is not directed to the church. It is, from vv. 1-14, one long sentence (in the Greek) that details the gifts and assurances of the individual believer.

Romans 1
Is this address to believers or unbelievers ?
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

 

[SeaBass]

the verse that say a group of christian seal but individual not?

The group Christian is sealed but no individual is sealed unconditionally apart from the group Christian.

 

[SeaBass]

Believers are sealed not churches. Churches will always have unbelievers in them that pose as believers. These are tare in the wheat which God will sort out. Our churches today are full of unbelievers polishing the pews with their seats but no closer to Christ than they were the night before in the night club.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The church is made up of those that believe > Christians. There is no such thing as a church of unbelievers.

 

[SeaBass]

That's just sinning, which all Christians do. The OP implies that we can lose our salvation, which is impossible.

That is not directed to the church. It is, from vv. 1-14, one long sentence (in the Greek) that details the gifts and assurances of the individual believer.

Eph 1:1 "Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:"

In the letters salutation, Paul was not addressing particular individuals but the group Christian calling them "saints" and "faithful in Christ Jesus".

Paul used the pronoun "us" and "we" in referring to this group 'Christian' in the context of Eph 1.

Nowhere EVER did Paul assure any individual of being sealed who was outside the group "Christian".

 

[Jackson123]

The group Christian is sealed but no individual is sealed unconditionally apart from the group Christian.

Where the verse that say only a group can be sealed not individual?

 

[ELECT]

Where the verse that say only a group can be sealed not individual?

Were the luke warm christians sealed?

 

[Kerry]

It's like this, you get saved and your in the boat, but, you can jump out that boat if you want to.

 

[ELECT]

It's like this, you get saved and your in the boat, but, you can jump out that boat if you want to.

so it is man not God that throw people over board just like jonah ?

 

[SeaBass]

Where the verse that say only a group can be sealed not individual?

There is no verse that says an individual outside the group can be unconditionally sealed. If an individual outside the group 'Christian' can be sealed then you are arguing non-Christians are sealed, but obviously there are no Christians outside the group Christian.

 

[Jackson123]

Were the luke warm christians sealed?

I don't think so. Unfortunately, Most of the time I am lukewarm, Oh God help me to be hot.

 

[Jackson123]

There is no verse that says an individual outside the group can be unconditionally sealed. If an individual outside the group 'Christian' can be sealed then you are arguing non-Christians are sealed, but obviously there are no Christians outside the group Christian.

what do you mean by individual outside the group?

If a man accept Jesus in the middle east where there is no church around and worship the Lord by himself is that man individual outside the group and not seal? What denomination is include in the list of seal group and what are not?

 

[MsLimpet]

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

These Ephesians received this gift of the Spirit by the laying on of the hands of Paul. (Acts 19:1-7.) They received this gift of the Spirit in its miraculous manifestation. We do not, but we receive it in our hearts, by receiving the word of God into our hearts and bring them into subjection to it. The Spirit becomes the controlling element in the heart and dwells there. We do not recognize it by our senses as did those who received the miraculous gifts, but it is a real controlling element in the heart and life, bearing fruit of the Spirit. And this Spirit of Christ in the heart is a seal that we have been accepted by God.

 

[SeaBass]

what do you mean by individual outside the group?

A non-Christian. The group is "Christian" therefore anyone outside that group is a non-Christian.

If a man accept Jesus in the middle east where there is no church around and worship the Lord by himself is that man individual outside the group and not seal? What denomination is include in the list of seal group and what are not?

No denominations are in the sealed group, just Christ's one body/church, Eph 4:4; Mt 16:18.

I cannot find in the bible that one can worship alone for the bible describes worship as a group action.

 

[Jackson123]

A non-Christian. The group is "Christian" therefore anyone outside that group is a non-Christian.



No denominations are in the sealed group, just Christ's one body/church, Eph 4:4; Mt 16:18.

I cannot find in the bible that one can worship alone for the bible describes worship as a group action.

So if a man in the middle east heard Christian Radio, and accept the Lord, but he lived in the heavy Muslim area, and there isn't church around, he will not going to heaven?

 

[Jackson123]

A non-Christian. The group is "Christian" therefore anyone outside that group is a non-Christian.



No denominations are in the sealed group, just Christ's one body/church, Eph 4:4; Mt 16:18.

I cannot find in the bible that one can worship alone for the bible describes worship as a group action.

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4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

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18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Brother Seabas,

Are you catholic?

Do you believe only the church that lead by Peter and so call his successor seal by the Holy spirit?

You do believe seal as a group, is that mean all catholic go to heaven as a group?



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[Jackson123]

A non-Christian. The group is "Christian" therefore anyone outside that group is a non-Christian.



No denominations are in the sealed group, just Christ's one body/church, Eph 4:4; Mt 16:18.

I cannot find in the bible that one can worship alone for the bible describes worship as a group action.

Ephesians 4:4King James Version (KJV)

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

King James Version (KJV)

One body mean only catholic sealed?

Catholic is not member of the body of Christ. Catholic member of the body of virgin Mary.

Member of the body of Christ is every individual who love and accept Jesus.

I copy question from brother Passintru

Would someone please give me a chapter and verse breakdown of where this comes from?
The fifteen promises of Mary to Christians who recite the rosary:
1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces.
2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against Hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.
4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God and become worthy of eternal life.
7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plenitude of His graces; at the moment of death, they shall participate in the merits of the saints in Paradise.
9. I shall deliver from Purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire Celestial Court during their life and at the hour of death.
14. All who recite the Rosary are my sons, and brothers of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15. Devotion to my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.