Can a Christian lose their salvation? Unsure.

JesusMyOnly · Jan 12, 2015

I also don't trust myself to stay saved

thats why I was hoping losing salvation was impossible so becca4peace if this is something that is bothering you..I can understand from my own personal experience with this topic. I would hope that once we made the decision to follow God He'd finish in us what we started.. Philippians 1:6 but maybe I'm taking it out of context? Someone help me with that verse.

wattie · Jan 12, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

Check the context of the verse 'he who endureth to the end will be saved' .. it's not talking about receiving eternal life, but being rescued/delivered from persecution/trials.

Saved can mean eternal deliverance.. sin paid for.. entrance to heaven.. or it can mean just plain being saved from a bad situation.

Eternal deliverance: eg. Romans 10, Ephesians 2:8.9, John 3:16...

Daily deliverance/deliverance from trials/persecution: eg. he who endureth to the end will be saved.... he that gains the world loses his life.... Revelation- I will spew them out of my mouth...

Gotta get the distinction right.. seperate daily service from eternal salvation

DiscipleDave · Jan 12, 2015

Stephen63 said:

So true. Off hand a verse that i find most revealing are they which teach if you do not forgive men their trespasses neither will your sins be forgiven. Interesting. So what if a person who is saved, does not forgive his brothers trespasses, are they still forgiven, NEGATING this Scripture or making VOID this Scripture which teaches they are NOT forgiven.

Scriptures are True and can't be broken. if you do not forgive men their trespasses against you, i assure you neither will your sins be forgiven no matter how loudly you claim with your mouth that you are Saved, Under the Blood of Jesus, under Grace, Righteous, or anything else that makes you feel good about yourself. The Truth is the Truth, and Scriptures are True. So even if you claim to be Saved, and you do not forgive men their trespasses, then you are NOT forgiven, no matter how loudly you yell "I'm Saved" Scriptures can't be broken.

Scriptures plainly teach who will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, such as fornicators (having sexual relations not being married) So a person who claims to be Saved, yet are living in fornication, will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, because it is written that fornicators will NOT enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, it doesn't matter how much you believe because you are SAVED, you are going to Heaven, does not make it True, nor does that belief make VOID the Word of God which plainly teach fornicators WILL NOT enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

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DiscipleDave · Jan 12, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

wattie said:

So what you are saying. Is that Saved can mean eternal deliverance, or sin paid for, or entrance to Heaven, or can mean just plain being saved from a bad situation.

So are you saying that all the verses that teach he that endures to the end you are choosing to pick (Not eternal deliverance) (Not sin paid for) (Not entrance to Heaven) but you are choosing to believe they mean (just being saved from a bad situation?

So tell me, if Saved can mean any one of those things you mentioned above, why do you choose to believe it is just from a bad situation. If i believe saved in those verses means eternal deliverance, which you testify "saved" can indeed mean that. that how can you say i am incorrect? my point is if you say saved can mean any one of those four things, why do you choose to believe saved to mean the last thing you mentioned? tell me why it can't mean any one of the first things you mentioned.

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SoulWeaver · Jan 12, 2015

The truth becomes harder to see when one is overloaded with much information. These threads tend to be confusing for anyone who searches for the truth, rather than helpful. Why not go to Jesus' feet in prayer and ask Him? He has come down so we would have a relationship with Him.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. --- the truth carries the true peace of God as a signature

newbirth · Jan 12, 2015

becca4peace said:

[h=1]Acts 5:1-10King James Version (KJV)[/h] 5 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

veryelect · Jan 12, 2015

becca4peace said:

You have to study the Bible to understand the question you ask. But overall it is as simple as this:
The devil comes at the sixth trump, CHRIST returns at the Seventh Trump. When the devil gets here, he will pretend to be CHRIST. If for any reason, you follow the devil (for example believing he is CHRIST come to rapture you out of here), then you won't make the first resurrection. Since you didn't know Truth, you at least get your chance in the Millennium. But beware, the Millennium is a tough Iron Rod discipline road to go. And as far as what GOD thinks about those that don't care about Truth, here is what HE says (and where HE says having pleasure in unrighteousness, how much more unrighteous can you get than worshiping satan).

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Saint-John · Jan 12, 2015

18 ¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

crossnote · Jan 12, 2015

The more I see these wobbly attempts at using Scriptures out of context to prove one can lose their salvation, the more I'm convinced that the Lord will not lose one that has been given unto Him by the Father.

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2Co 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; (22) Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Karol777 · Jan 12, 2015

Can salt lose its taste?

PWE · Jan 12, 2015

“If”

You are saved IF hold fast the Word (1 Corinthians 15:2)
In Lord's House IF you hold fast (Hebrews 3:6/14)
You will be Holy IF you continue in the faith, Can BE MOVED AWAY FROM THE HOPE (Colossians 1:22-23)
Cleansed by Blood IF you walk in the Light (1 John 1:7)
Never stumble IF you do these things/everlasting kingdom (2 Peter 1:10-11)
Disciples Indeed IF you abide in My Word (John 8:31)
Never see death IF anyone keeps My Word (John 8:51-52)
Father will honor IF we serve Jesus (John 12:26)
Written to brethren (v. 1) Sows to the Spirit = reaps everlasting life (Galatians 6:1/8)
We shall reap IF we do not lose heart (Galatians 6:9)
Some shall depart from faith…Continue in doctrine = save yourself (1 Timothy 4:1/16)
If continue won’t break branch off (Romans 11:19-23)

A Christian can lose their salvation.

Sin willfully (Hebrews 10:26-36)
Take heed lest fall (1 Corinthians 10:12)
Vine (John 15)
Castaway (1 Corinthians 9:27)
Don’t abide in doctrine then don’t have God (2 John 4-9)
Impossible once enlightened to restore (Hebrews 6:4-6)
Ananias and Saphira (Acts 5:1-11)
Erred and overthrown faith of some (2 Timothy 2:16-18; 4:7)
Can depart from the living God (Hebrews 3:12; 4:1-11)
Among ownselves will arise men…warned with tears (Acts 20:28-32)
Why warn Christians? (1 Peter 5:8)
Be led away with the error of the wicked (2 Peter 3:16-17)
False teachers among you, DENY THE LORD WHO BOUGHT THEM (2 Peter 2:1-9; 20-21)
Name could be blotted out of Book (Revelation 3:5)
Wander from the truth (James 5:19-20)
Those "for whom Christ died," Calvinists would call them the elect, can be destroyed (Romans 14:15)
Those "for whom Christ died," PERISH AS A WEAK BROTHER (1 Corinthians 8:11)
BECOME DISQUALIFIED (1 Corinthians 9:27)
"brethren" (v. 12) Is possible for a brother, a child of God, to live according to the flesh and "die." (v. 13) (Romans 8:12-13)
Jesus taught in the parable of the sower that a follower of Christ could fall from grace (Luke 8:12-15)
Through faith and patience inherit promise (Hebrews 6:10-12)
Bears name of brother who is guilty, don’t even eat with such a one (1 Corinthians 5:9-11)
Fall from grace (Galatians 5:4)
Fall into judgment (CONDEMNATION) (James 5:12)
Book according to works (Revelation 20:12-13)
Take away part from book and holy city (Revelation 22:19)
A disciple personally chosen by Jesus as His apostle and treasurer, namely, Judas Iscariot, fell from God’s grace and was called a devil by Jesus (John 6:70; 17:12)

Butch5 · Jan 12, 2015

becca4peace said:

Yes, they can. The Bible is full of conditional statements.

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
15 while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion1." (Heb 3:12-15 NKJ)

RickyZ · Jan 12, 2015

JesusMyOnly said:

Again it goes back to our choice. He will finish the work He began in those who will continue to allow Him to.

Phil 1:3I thank my God every time I remember you. 4In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

So verse 6 says that God will continue His work in us until Jesus returns. That ties in to all the other Bible verses about persevering until then. And that sentence starts with "being confident of this". What was Paul confident of? What he said in verse 5, their continued partnership in the gospel.

Don't confuse salvation with works. Works are what you do, and there is nothing you can do short of renouncing your faith that will cost you your salvation. Make no mistake, we will be judged on our works and rewarded/punished for them, but we will still be saved. Because salvation hinges solely on the conscious decision to accept or reject it. And we are free to do either at any time.

PWE · Jan 13, 2015

wattie said:

The meaning:

[SUP]5 [/SUP]He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. (Revelation 3:5)

djness · Jan 13, 2015

so many of these threads...

Seems lately more and more people are saying yes you can. The bible seems to state so pretty clearly. The bible also seems to state pretty clearly that Jesus doesn't lose anyone that belongs to him. So I really don't know what the answer is.

The bible says nobody chooses God, I find that very difficult when it seems like you can just walk away if you want.
You can't choose him but you can just be done with him if you decide sin is better? That hardly seems right.

There does seem to be a flood more verses saying you can lose it then those that say you cannot..but it's the bible right? All of it is God breathed and insipired? So if even one verse says different than 100 we have to find out why. Or at least you would hope.

Kinda hard to find people who are actually willing to look at both sides of the coin though.

Butch5 · Jan 13, 2015

Actually, Phil 1:6 is talking about the work God started in the Philippian church. It was the only church that was financially supporting the apostle Paul.

Butch5 · Jan 13, 2015

djness said:

The issues you bring up are do to the fact that people take the Scriptures out of context to support their doctrines. You spoke of Jesus not losing any, that was specific to those the Father had given Him, they were believers in His day, in particular the apostles. However, Jesus Himself says that one was Lost, Judas. An understanding of the historical setting also helps a lot when understanding the Scriptures.

RickyZ · Jan 13, 2015

djness said:

You have to keep in mind the relationship between time and eternity, and that God in eternity can see all of time.

God, in the eternal, saw that during your life to be that you would come to believe in Jesus Christ.

He knew, before you were ever born, that you would accept His Son's sacrifice.

So, before you were ever born, He made a place for you in His mansion, since you were destined to be there by your confession of Christ, both of which were still to come.

Did that make any sense? He chose us because we chose Him... except that by virtue of being in the eternal, He got to choose first.

PWE · Jan 13, 2015

djness said:

Jesus doesn't lose anyone, but you can choose to depart:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; (Hebrews 3:12)

One can choose God:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that wereon the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” (Joshua 24:15)

RickyZ · Jan 13, 2015

Butch5 said:

Well, yeah, but everything he wrote to the Philippian church applies to us, right? Otherwise we can tear that page out. And the point he made was the same, whether to them or us - keep at it until the end.

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