Can a Christian lose their salvation? Unsure.

[SeaBass]

I would like some Bible verses and some answers to this question, thanks.

Acts 1:25; Acts 8:13,-24; 2 Pet 1:10; 2 Pet 2:1,21,22; Heb 3:12; Heb 6:4-6; 1 Tim 4:1; 1 Tim 5:12: James 5:19, etc., among many, many more verses that all show salvation is conditional.


Some things to look for:

There are two sides to salvation,

1) God's faithfulness to man
2) man's faithfulness to God

Those that deny salvation is conditional will sometimes take out of context verses that speak about God's faithfulness to man while ignoring verses that speak about men being faithful to God, examples Jn 10:28 ignoring verse 27 and Phil 1:6 ignoring verse 5. No verse says God will continue to be faithful and save those that become unfaithful to Him nor does say verse say God has an obligation to save those that become unfaithful to Him. Some, as Charles Stanley, will say a man can lose his faith entirely and still be saved, a Christian can live in sin, committing every sin over and over and still be saved...(which is actually true if Eternal Security were true). But too many bible verses speak to the fact one will be lost without faith and those that commit various sins of the flesh will be lost, Gal 5:19-21; 1 Cor 6:9,10.

2) the conditional word "IF" often gets ignored by those that deny salvation is conditional, 1 Jn 1:6,7,9; 1 Jn 2:3,24; 2 Pet 1:8; Col 1:23; etc.

3) the logic behind the words "fell" or "fall" gets ignored oftentimes. For you to fall out of a tree you must first climb up that tree and be in that tree to logically fall from that tree. The bible speaks of those that fell away or were fallen, Gal 5:4.
One who was always fallen cannot fall for he was never in a saved position to fall from. So logically for you to fall from a tree you must first be up in that tree then logically for you to fall you must first be in a saved position to fall from. Logically one cannot fall from God's grace unless he was first in God's grace.

4) the excuse is offered by those that deny salvation can be lost is if one quits believing or commits sin then he was never really saved to begin with. If Judas or Simon (Ats 8) sinning proves they were never "really" saved to begin with, then what Christian is ever "really" saved to begin with since all Christians do sin sometimes?
If I went from the first grade to 11th grade but quit before the 12th grade, does my quitting before the 12th grade mean I was never "really" was a student, never "really" took classes, never "really" got any grades? No, for one can believe most of his life and become unfaithful at the end and be lost, Rev 2:10, not overcome, Rev 2:26.

5) those that deny salvation is conditional will sometimes claim only "rewards" are lost when the context is not talking about rewards at all but eternal salvation. The idea of losing rewards is forced into the text to protect their man-made teaching. Sometimes they may even try and change the meaning of 'saved' to run around verses that say salvation can be lost.


6) those that deny salvation is conditional will take a verse as Mt 1:21 and assume the word "unconditional" into it, that Jesus will save people unconditionally. One must consider all the counsel of God to see if Christ saves people unconditional and from verses as Jn 8:24; Lk 13:3,5; Mt 10:32,33, and Mk 16:16 Christ made salvation CONDITIONAL upon one believing, repenting, confessing and being baptized.

 

[forsha]

What RickyZ says here is True. But know this.

If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is wrong. Remember that and the Truth will find you when you seek for it.

You see many who believe you can't lose your salvation will show verses that they interpret to mean you can't lose your Salvation, all the while ignoring, or voiding, or interpreting away all the verses that says and teach you can lose it. Believe the Scriptures and what they teach. The mere fact that the Bible says a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life, is PROOF that Once Saved Always Saved can't possibly be correct.

^i^

I am having trouble finding the scripture that says one of those that Christ died for can be blotted out of the book of life, can you help me find that scripture?

 

[john832]

I am having trouble finding the scripture that says one of those that Christ died for can be blotted out of the book of life, can you help me find that scripture?

Off the top of my head...

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

To have your name taken out demands that it must first have been their.

 

[Hizikyah]

I am having trouble finding the scripture that says one of those that Christ died for can be blotted out of the book of life, can you help me find that scripture?

He died for everybody, sadly not everybody will accept Him....

Psalm 69:27-28, "Add iniquity to their iniquity! Let them not come into Your righteousness! May they be blotted out of The Book of Life, and not be written with the righteous!"

Revelation 3:5, "He who overcomes, the same will be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name from The Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and before His malakim."

 

[forsha]

Check the context of the verse 'he who endureth to the end will be saved' .. it's not talking about receiving eternal life, but being rescued/delivered from persecution/trials.

Saved can mean eternal deliverance.. sin paid for.. entrance to heaven.. or it can mean just plain being saved from a bad situation.

Eternal deliverance: eg. Romans 10, Ephesians 2:8.9, John 3:16...

Daily deliverance/deliverance from trials/persecution: eg. he who endureth to the end will be saved.... he that gains the world loses his life.... Revelation- I will spew them out of my mouth...

Gotta get the distinction right.. seperate daily service from eternal salvation

I am glad to hear what you have said that "there many timely salvations (deliverances)" I believe that most of the salvation scriptures are referring to timely deliverances. This knowledge helps to understand why there are those that believe eternal salvation is by grace alone, and those that believe that eternal salvation is something that we have to act upon. The truth is revealed by the fact we have to separate the salvation scriptures.

 

[notuptome]

No shortage of controversy on this subject. If as scripture states we are saved by grace and not works then we must ask who is in charge of grace? Does man have any authority over Gods grace?

Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for hindering those who wanted to seek the Lord. Are these any better who would deny grace and substitute works? Luke 11:52

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[wattie]

So what you are saying. Is that Saved can mean eternal deliverance, or sin paid for, or entrance to Heaven, or can mean just plain being saved from a bad situation.

So are you saying that all the verses that teach he that endures to the end you are choosing to pick (Not eternal deliverance) (Not sin paid for) (Not entrance to Heaven) but you are choosing to believe they mean (just being saved from a bad situation?

So tell me, if Saved can mean any one of those things you mentioned above, why do you choose to believe it is just from a bad situation. If i believe saved in those verses means eternal deliverance, which you testify "saved" can indeed mean that. that how can you say i am incorrect? my point is if you say saved can mean any one of those four things, why do you choose to believe saved to mean the last thing you mentioned? tell me why it can't mean any one of the first things you mentioned.

^i^

Because the bible plainly teaches, in itself.. the meaning. Our own personal interpretation means nadda.. the bible in context teaches the right thing in itself. That's what truth is

 

[Grandpa]

No shortage of controversy on this subject. If as scripture states we are saved by grace and not works then we must ask who is in charge of grace? Does man have any authority over Gods grace?

Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for hindering those who wanted to seek the Lord. Are these any better who would deny grace and substitute works? Luke 11:52

For the cause of Christ
Roger

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

 

[psychomom]

becca, are you sufficiently confused yet? (poor girl)

keep reading God's Word...keep listening to His Spirit.
best advice i can offer.

love,
ellie

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Can you lose your salvation? No.Nothing can separate you from God.Can you walk away from a free gift? Yes. You can walk away from salvation.But that is a choice you make.If you continue in sin.

very well said

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Those that believe one can lose salvation ultimately are placing it in the hands of men ...and of course in those hands it will be lost.

Those that believe one cannot lose salvation believe that it belongs in the hands of God...and of course in those Hands it is secure.

Or in other words if the question is 'can I lose MY salvation?', the answer would be 'yes'.
If on the other hand the question is, 'can I lose HIS salvation?' then the obvious answer is no.

can a person that has not been reborn be reprobate?

 

[Grandpa]

can a person that has not been reborn be reprobate?

A really good question would be can a reprobate mind question whether they could lose their salvation or not...???

 

[Hizikyah]

I think the people Paul is talking about here at one time knew yah or else he would he say,
"they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge" "Who, knowing the righteous judgment of Yahweh"

Romans 1:28-32, "And so, since they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge, Yahweh gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not proper; Being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual impurity, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, Backbiters, haters of Yahweh, despiteful, arrogant, and boastful. They are inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, And without understanding. They are covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, and unmerciful: Who, knowing the righteous judgment of Yahweh, that those who practice such things deserve death, not only continue to do these very things, but also approve of those who practice them."

 

[Butch5]

Well, yeah, but everything he wrote to the Philippian church applies to us, right? Otherwise we can tear that page out. And the point he made was the same, whether to them or us - keep at it until the end.

I don't see how you or I could support Paul's ministry since he's not here anymore.

 

[crossnote]

That part you highlighted does not mean that your future sins, or unrighteous deeds are already covered.
It is saying that because you have been cleansed of your past sins, and set apart unto Christ, then if you keep reading what else Paul says. He says only if you continue under His grace will you inherit the kingdom, other wise Christ will become of no effect to you.....as he told the Galatians for their sin;

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Future sins that are committed still have to be confessed to receive remission, as the verse you gave in 1 Corinthians 6 is of those who continue to do what is asked of them.

When Christ died for our sins 2000 years ago, His death did not just cover those up to Jan 1st, 2015...it covered future sins as well. We have been buried into His death and risen with Him in His resurrection.

 

[AbbeyJoy]

Only way you can loose His salvation is just by walking away and denying him..

 

[Butch5]

Ya that is also an interesting point...once you start saying something applied to one church at a certain and not us. Well than what else can i disregard as written to someone else and not me.

Context. One of the reasons there are so many false doctrines in the church is because of this randomly applying Scripture indiscriminately. Take this passage for instance, it was written to the church in Corinth, does it apply to all churches and all Christians?

NKJ 1 Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ.
2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;
3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?
4 For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not carnal? (1Co 3:1-4 NKJ)

This was written to Christians, does to apply to all Christians? Obviously not. Christians would say oh no that was written to that church, why? Because it's negative, yet if something is positive they want to apply it to all Christians. We have to remember we are reading history. If we read an American history book we wouldn't apply everything in it to ourselves just because we are American. Suppose the book said that all of the Americans had muskets, would we assume that every American living in 2015 has a musket? No, we wouldn't, we would understand that in the time it was speaking of. Well, some things in the Scriptures are the same way.

Here's were Christians get inconsistent. There are few denominations that still wear a head covering. Many argue (wrongly), oh, that was just something from that culture. Well, if it was written to Christians and everything written to Christians applies to us, why aren't women wearing the head covering? You see, we can't simply pick and choose, yet we do and that is one of the reasons there are so many denominations and erroneous doctrines in the faith

 

[Butch5]

Since the Scriptures give examples of people falling away it sure seems it's possible.

 

[Butch5]

Those who believe in OSAS, are you aware this doctrine is only about 500 years old? It's a product of the Protestant Reformation.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

A really good question would be can a reprobate mind question whether they could lose their salvation or not...???

Hello Grandpa
not only does the reprobate know the difference between right and wrong they also like those that are the same way and they just would not care.