The law cannot make void the Promise

[Hizikyah]

Paul was sent by Jesus Christ, and was also given the testimony of Jesus Christ, and was also anointed of the Holy Spirit. If you reject those whom the Lord sends in His name, you also reject Jesus Christ. This also is Jesus' words.

John 13:20[SUP]20 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Can one reject what this passage teaches and still have eternal life?

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

King James Bible
Revelation 22:12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
World English Bible

Revelation 22:12"Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Young's Literal Translation
Revelation 22:12And lo, I come quickly, and my reward [is] with me, to render to each as his work shall be; 13I am the Alpha and the Omega — the Beginning and End — the First and the Last. 14‘Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city; 15and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.

 

[john832]

Paul was sent by Jesus Christ, and was also given the testimony of Jesus Christ, and was also anointed of the Holy Spirit. If you reject those whom the Lord sends in His name, you also reject Jesus Christ. This also is Jesus' words.

John 13:20[SUP]20 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Whoever said that I reject Paul's writings? By the way the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy...

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

 

[Messenger_of_Fire]

All men are firstborn of the flesh, and also lust after the things of the flesh. Even many who confess to be Christians are still living in the flesh; their words and works declare it.

Whosoever is truly in Christ will not be living in sin, for Gods seed remains in him. You will know a tree by it's fruit, be they good or evil.

This didn't answer the question.

 

[john832]

Those who reject those whom the Lord sends in His name are not of God's Spirit. These are the words of God.

Hmmm, are you trying to say that I reject Paul? I'd be willing to wager anything up to and including a penny that if you review my posts, you will find that I have quoted Paul about 1000 time s more than you have.

Now if you are trying to say that I am rejecting you and that God sent you, well that is a different story altogether.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Whoever said that I reject Paul's writings? By the way the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy...

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

I wasn't talking to you.

 

[Hizikyah]

[h=2]"The law cannot make void the Promise"[/h]
The Law that allows for blood Sacrifice to cleanse our sin is what makes our Salvation possible.

No Law, no Salvation...

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

"The law cannot make void the Promise"


The Law that allows for blood Sacrifice to cleanse our sin is what makes our Salvation possible.

No Law, no Salvation...

That's the spirit of error I was talking about.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

"The law cannot make void the Promise"


The Law that allows for blood Sacrifice to cleanse our sin is what makes our Salvation possible.

No Law, no Salvation...

Galatians 3:21[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

 

[Hizikyah]

Galatians 3:21[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Im not sure how you are understanding that, but.... I think in this way?

So how did the blood cleans us if the Creator has no Law for blood Sacrifice for the remission of sin?

 

[Hizikyah]

That's the spirit of error I was talking about.

LOL. Yeah ok.

What about post #21

Is ignoring that the spirit of truth?

 

[ISeeYou]

Your words imply that you do not have the Holy Spirit. If you believe Paul's doctrine is in error as you have already suggested. Or if you believe certain meats can defile a man, this is not of the Spirit of Truth.

There is sect in Christianity which refer to their themselves as "Non Pauline" Messianics

Paul seems to be the object of their distain

2 Ti 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

Which is interesting as the devil is likened to a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour, and as Paul was delivered out of the lion's mouth, and being the dragon he is he also gives a mouth even as our Lord gives a mouth

For example here,

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies

So a mouth is given either from the Lord or from the devil.

He always aims at something

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Even as He aims at the Lords apostles,

And Paul speaks of being slanderously reported to say something he was not (nor they were saying).

John in another situation runs into one who loves to have the preeminence among them which uses that place (in the church) to kick against the apostles themselves

I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.


Definately the Spirit of error (as you put) as a lying spirit is in the mouth

 

[ISeeYou]

Luke 23:9 Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.

Also, not answering someone can actually be considered of the Spirit of truth

 

[Hizikyah]

It's others understand of Paul that is the error...

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to Yahweh, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of Yahweh, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."


Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

2 peter 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."

 

[breno785au]

Lol id hate to be sitting there watching you guys debate this stuff at church, haha itd be agonising!

 

[Hizikyah]

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Is it a heresy if we read 2 more verses?

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Who was the dragon mad at? Those who are not subject to the Law? or those who keep the Law?

I am not putting myself in either category, just reading Scripture....

Revelation 12:17

New International Version
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring--those who keep God's commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

New Living Translation
And the dragon was angry at the woman and declared war against the rest of her children--all who keep God's commandments and maintain their testimony for Jesus.

English Standard Version
Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

New American Standard Bible
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Im not sure how you are understanding that, but.... I think in this way?

So how did the blood cleans us if the Creator has no Law for blood Sacrifice for the remission of sin?

How was the father of our faith Abraham justified by the works of the law, or saved by faith in a law which came 430 years after? Hopefully you will see your error.

 

[Hizikyah]

"Do you see that the faith worked together with his works" James (Yaaqob) 2:19-22

How was the father of our faith Abraham justified by the works of the law, or saved by faith in a law which came 430 years after? Hopefully you will see your error.

Romans 4:1-3, ""What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

Yaaqob (James) 2:19-22, "You believe that there is one Father? You do well; the demons also believe, and tremble. But are you willing to know, O vain man, that the faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"

Genesis 26:5
(5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my (H8451)laws.


H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

So according to this Abraham kept the Torah

" But are you willing to know, O vain man, that the faith without works is dead? "

You are missing the fact that the Law of YHWH has always been, the children of Israyl were in captivity and even forgot HIS NAME, as they knew it in Gen 4:26:

Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again."

Oh invoked again, you kow why it was forgotten? The righteous priest of Yah, Abel was killed and truth was cut off, Enoch's vision shows 7 periods of each....

"Do you see"

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

LOL. Yeah ok.

What about post #21

Is ignoring that the spirit of truth?

What, you have kept the whole law? Funny, scriptures says no man shall be justified by the works of the law. But I guess that doesn't apply to you either?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

"Do you see that the faith worked together with his works" James (Yaaqob) 2:19-22



Romans 4:1-3, ""What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

Yaaqob (James) 2:19-22, "You believe that there is one Father? You do well; the demons also believe, and tremble. But are you willing to know, O vain man, that the faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"

Genesis 26:5
(5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my (H8451)laws.


H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

So according to this Abraham kept the Torah

" But are you willing to know, O vain man, that the faith without works is dead? "

You are missing the fact that the Law of YHWH has always been, the children of Israyl were in captivity and even forgot HIS NAME, as they knew it in Gen 4:26:

Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again."

Oh invoked again, you kow why it was forgotten? The righteous priest of Yah, Abel was killed and truth was cut off, Enoch's vision shows 7 periods of each....

"Do you see"

Again, WHAT LAW WAS ABRAHAM JUSTIFIED BY? Was it by the law of Moses, or was it by faith in God?

 

[Hizikyah]

Can one reject what this passage teaches and still have eternal life?

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

King James Bible
Revelation 22:12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
World English Bible

Revelation 22:12"Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. 15Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Young's Literal Translation
Revelation 22:12And lo, I come quickly, and my reward [is] with me, to render to each as his work shall be; 13I am the Alpha and the Omega — the Beginning and End — the First and the Last. 14‘Happy are those doing His commands that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city; 15and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie.

What, you have kept the whole law? Funny, scriptures says no man shall be justified by the works of the law. But I guess that doesn't apply to you either?

Typical instead of talking, sharing, and loving His words you attack me....

BTW you put justified out there, quote a single time where I said that?

The Mystery of Iniquity is so full even saying the Law is beautiful seems to being attacks...

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."



2 Thessalonians 2:7, "7 For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan..."

Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth

the torah.