The law cannot make void the Promise

[Hizikyah]

Again, WHAT LAW WAS ABRAHAM JUSTIFIED BY? Was it by the law of Moses, or was it by faith in God?

Yaaqob (James) 2:19-22, "You believe that there is one Father? You do well; the demons also believe, and tremble.

But

are you willing to know, O vain man, that the faith without works is dead?

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

There is sect in Christianity which refer to their themselves as "Non Pauline" Messianics

Paul seems to be the object of their distain

2 Ti 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

Which is interesting as the devil is likened to a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour, and as Paul was delivered out of the lion's mouth, and being the dragon he is he also gives a mouth even as our Lord gives a mouth

For example here,

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things andblasphemies

So a mouth is given either from the Lord or from the devil.

He always aims at something

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Even as He aims at the Lords apostles,

And Paul speaks of being slanderously reported to say something he was not (nor they were saying).

John in another situation runs into one who loves to have the preeminence among them which uses that place (in the church) to kick against the apostles themselves

I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.


Definately the Spirit of error (as you put) as a lying spirit is in the mouth

The Lord warns us of them, and also tells us who they are of in Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

 

[Hizikyah]

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh,


(it like people get that far in the verse and foam at the mouth

and SCREAM

HE IS SEEKING TO OBEY!!!!! GET HIM!!!!)

(but the verse continues....)


and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

 

[Hizikyah]

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Typical instead of talking, sharing, and loving His words you attack me....

BTW you put justified out there, quote a single time where I said that?

The Mystery of Iniquity is so full even saying the Law is beautiful seems to being attacks...

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."



2 Thessalonians 2:7, "7 For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan..."

Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth

the torah.

Your attacking the gospel of Jesus Christ and trying to discredit his anointed disciples. Think I'm going to sit by idle and watch you trash the Truth?

 

[Hizikyah]

The Lord warns us of them, and also tells us who they are of in Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

the synagogue of Satan is the talmudic kabbalists, not those who follow Yah... wow..........

Amos 5:26, "Instead you have lifted up the idolatrous temple of Molech; your god and Chiun your star-god, the star of your god which you made for yourselves."

"Chiun your star-god, the star of your god"

Mark 7:5-9, "Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him; Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? He answered, and said to them: Well has Isayah prophesied of you hypocrites--as it is written: 1This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

Mark 7:13, "Making the Laws of Yahweh of no effect through your tradition you have handed down! And many other similar things you do."

 

[ISeeYou]

Lol id hate to be sitting there watching you guys debate this stuff at church, haha itd be agonising!

I actually agree, its typical though, just go to any christian forum where they are at and behold, they have sites against Paul and count themselves as having the Holy Ghost in that doing.

I have found very few men who can teach correctly let alone hope for any who have the time to take up untangling all the error against Paul. The verses reversed in half their stuff, the pitting between them is necessary in order to minister questions, not to mention they will only use Pauls words only when convenient within their twists.

False brethren are a reality, its just as it is.

I wont seek a word of truth out of such a mans man (nor his keyboard)

Its really not my job as a woman to teach a man let alone a heretick, its the men called of Jesus Christ to stand for the defense of the gospel.

But these seem to be so few and far between (so yah for those Jael's with their tent stakes out there)

I think that was to Israels own shame, although I would likely regard this as just the times we live in.

I wouldnt debate in a church I would depart from it.

 

[Hizikyah]

Bet you not subject to the law people would never expose them....

for exposing them gets you very bad attention...

 

[ISeeYou]

Your attacking the gospel of Jesus Christ and trying to discredit his anointed disciples. Think I'm going to sit by idle and watch you trash the Truth?

Its like they copy paste off the same script against Paul as the same is done at other forums.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yaaqob (James) 2:19-22, "You believe that there is one Father? You do well; the demons also believe, and tremble.


Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Wrong again, Abraham was justified by faith long before he had offered up Isaac.

Romans 4:10-14[SUP]10 [/SUP]How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Its like they copy paste off the same script against Paul as the same is done at other forums.

Why are these people who deny the words of God and his disciples, (like Paul) allowed in a Christian forum?

 

[ISeeYou]

Paul in Gal points out,

Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Whereas it says in Leviticus this

Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

And Ezekiel also says

Ezek 20:11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.

But Ezekiel also says

Ezek 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Paul asks this here as well.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Which are connected these connected in Paul's reasonings

Romans 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

And again,

Ezek 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Paul in Gal points out,

Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Whereas it says in Leviticus this

Lev 18:5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

And Ezekiel also says

Ezek 20:11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.

But Ezekiel also says

Ezek 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Paul asks this here as well.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Which are connected these connected in Paul's reasonings

Romans 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

And again,

Ezek 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Galatians 3:21[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

But we know eternal life is not given by the works of the law.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yaaqob (James) 2:19-22, "You believe that there is one Father? You do well; the demons also believe, and tremble.

But

are you willing to know, O vain man, that the faith without works is dead?

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"

Wrong again, Abraham was justified by faith long before he had offered up Isaac.

Romans 4:10-14[SUP]10 [/SUP]How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Why are these people who deny the words of God and his disciples, (like Paul) allowed in a Christian forum?

Well then I don't think your problem is with me, your saying Scripture is wrong, because none of those were my words, but rather what Yaaqob (James) physical brother of Yahshua (Jesus) wrote...

Is it ok to deny writings of the disciple of Yahshua Yaaqob (James)? I dont get it, I post Yaaqobs (James) words and you say wrong.... and Im the one that is in error?

Acts 1:13, "And when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James.

Acts 1:13, "And when they had entered the city, they went up into the upper room where they were staying: Kepha, Yaaqob, Yahchanan, and Andrew; Philip and Thomas; Bar Tolmai and Mattithyah; Yaaqob the son of Cheleph and Simon the Zealot; and Yahdah the son of Yaaqob."

 

[ISeeYou]

Why are these people who deny the words of God and his disciples, (like Paul) allowed in a Christian forum?

I dont know, but all christian forums are pretty much overrun by athiests and various forms of heresies which are let loose to run rampant until whats left in them is just a cage of hateful birds. Where theres no more voice of the Spirit, bride or Bridegroom.

After scouring the internet looking for a decent forum, this is actually the last the one left among the decent ones which hasnt turned into the dung pits all the others have turned into. I believe their screening is the thing that makes it a better place perhaps, not sure.

But I think the others could just be forums that just title itself as christian (but more for the sake of which community they will serve to) but in the sense of offering a sense of community to the same but who might just be in it to rake in the money through their ads (by really catering to the diverse) in the same. Like one can be called "Christian forums" but the million subforms has forums for witches, Athiests, Satanist, and a babylonian pile of denominations (none of which get along or agree, either with that which is without or supposedly that which is within.

I would say something else, but its more pesimistic and not helpful to any edification in respects to the condition of the church but I will refrain.

Just smile and live in denial, its all the way its suppose to be.

 

[Hizikyah]

But Ezekiel also says

Ezek 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Like animal sacrifice and the levitical priesthood? Or remember the Sabbath?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Well then I don't think your problem is with me, your saying Scripture is wrong, because none of those were my words, but rather what Yaaqob (James) physical brother of Yahshua (Jesus) wrote...

Is it ok to deny writings of the disciple of Yahshua Yaaqob (James)? I dont get it, I post Yaaqobs (James) words and you say wrong.... and Im the one that is in error?

Acts 1:13, "And when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James.

Acts 1:13, "And when they had entered the city, they went up into the upper room where they were staying: Kepha, Yaaqob, Yahchanan, and Andrew; Philip and Thomas; Bar Tolmai and Mattithyah; Yaaqob the son of Cheleph and Simon the Zealot; and Yahdah the son of Yaaqob."

Wrong again, you are trying to twist the scriptures to show a man is justified by the works of the law. I just showed you by scripture that Abraham was not justified by the works of the law, or by the sacrifice of Isaac, so stop twisting the scriptures to conform to your own views and theology.

 

[ISeeYou]

Galatians 3:21[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

But we know eternal life is not given by the works of the law.

Yes, Paul speaks of the law of faith in contrast to the works of the law

 

[Hizikyah]

Wrong again, you are trying to twist the scriptures to show a man is justified by the works of the law. I just showed you by scripture that Abraham was not justified by the works of the law, or by the sacrifice of Isaac, so stop twisting the scriptures to conform to your own views and theology.

No I showed by Scripture:

"Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"

Why?

because:

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Faith + no works = dead

Works + no faith = dead

We need faith and works, AND OUR FAITH HAS TO BE POINTED AT THE RIGHT DIRECTION

Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know Yahweh, but by their works they deny Him--being abominable, disobedient, and to every righteous work, reprobate."

2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Luke 11:28, "But He said: Yet, rather, blessed are those who hear the plan ofYahweh, and keep; guard, preserve, and obey, it!"

Romans 1:5, "By Whom we have received mercy and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His Name."

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

No I showed by Scripture:

"Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?"

Why?

because:

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Faith + no works = dead

Works + no faith = dead

We need faith and works, AND OUR FAITH HAS TO BE POINTED AT THE RIGHT DIRECTION

Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know Yahweh, but by their works they deny Him--being abominable, disobedient, and to every righteous work, reprobate."

2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of holiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Luke 11:28, "But He said: Yet, rather, blessed are those who hear the plan ofYahweh, and keep; guard, preserve, and obey, it!"

Romans 1:5, "By Whom we have received mercy and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His Name."

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

I don't deny any part of scripture, just as I don't deny that faith and works go hand in hand. But you tried to twist my question to you around by trying to say that Abraham was justified by his own works when he went to offer up his son Isaac. This is an outright LIE! I have proved your error time and time again, but you still try to twist words around.

Which is no wonder, because the serpent was more cunning than all the beasts the Lord had made.