Is it okay for men to cry?
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Peter was in error... that's the point! He was not being brave and strong like the Lord. That's why he sank. And again this idea that its right for men to be emotional like a woman is very unhealthy and will hinder a man's spiritual ability to take his place as a man in the things of God..if your not doing or saying that? Good but the point still needs to be made.
I might lightly agree with you, particularly when Paul made "a fool" of him (Gal 2:14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, "If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?" )
But he cannot talk here now.
If you are a Vet, you surely saw this flawless, those wars you were: "...a man's spiritual ability to take his place as a man..."
"Give Cesar´s what´s Cesar´s and God´s to God´s."
But he cannot talk here now.
If you are a Vet, you surely saw this flawless, those wars you were: "...a man's spiritual ability to take his place as a man..."
"Give Cesar´s what´s Cesar´s and God´s to God´s."
Frankly, looking at the way this post started, I had thought you might have found some clarity in backpedaling to a more reasonable position, similar to the one the rest of us have take. To my dismay, this was not the case.
Where is it stated by any man that we are getting caught up and crying when the wind blows?
That is because it is a lie. You're not attacking us, with your faulty argument. If you were some angry 16 year old teenager, I might give you a pass. But supposedly you are a decorated gulf war veteran, and I would have had some vain hope that you could get over yourself.
I can see your Jesus now, "ACT LIKE MEN YOU FRUITCAKES!!! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ISN'T FULL OF NANCYBOYS!!!"
Oh wait, that's because he said "Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted."
No one is saying that women and men are the same. That is some line of reasoning you've invented to paint your detractors. Physical strength is not a measure of value or character in a person. It is not something to be exploited or rooted out. Women are our peers, our co-pilots, our teammates, our accomplices and our lovers. Envisioning them as some compromised lesser creature, comparing a mourning man to the opposite sex, makes you a Misogynist.
You seem to have this vision of what a man ought to be or ought to look like. It isn't Biblical, it isn't David, Jesus, Paul, Abraham, Moses or Elijah.
Because of your own skewed view of Manhood, I'm going to leave a quote here and I want you to really look at it. Not in the way that the movie portrays it but in what its actually saying.
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."
Where is it stated by any man that we are getting caught up and crying when the wind blows?
That is because it is a lie. You're not attacking us, with your faulty argument. If you were some angry 16 year old teenager, I might give you a pass. But supposedly you are a decorated gulf war veteran, and I would have had some vain hope that you could get over yourself.
I can see your Jesus now, "ACT LIKE MEN YOU FRUITCAKES!!! THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ISN'T FULL OF NANCYBOYS!!!"
Oh wait, that's because he said "Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted."
No one is saying that women and men are the same. That is some line of reasoning you've invented to paint your detractors. Physical strength is not a measure of value or character in a person. It is not something to be exploited or rooted out. Women are our peers, our co-pilots, our teammates, our accomplices and our lovers. Envisioning them as some compromised lesser creature, comparing a mourning man to the opposite sex, makes you a Misogynist.
You seem to have this vision of what a man ought to be or ought to look like. It isn't Biblical, it isn't David, Jesus, Paul, Abraham, Moses or Elijah.
Because of your own skewed view of Manhood, I'm going to leave a quote here and I want you to really look at it. Not in the way that the movie portrays it but in what its actually saying.
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."
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Mitspa we almost always agree on posts.I like to read what your point of view is.So please take this the way it is intended.I'm going to throw a monkey wrench into this discussion.Just because... 
My only blood related aunt died of stomach cancer.She was 42.She weighed about 90 pounds by the time she died.My father having been married to my mother quite young,had known my aunt,moms sister,some thirty years.And to watch her in pain and sickness.I can tell you many times he wept "like a woman".Is my father manly.Well to meet him would give you an answer.Friends nicknamed him "the bear" because of the size of his hands.You wouldnt think you could see him sobbing,unable to catch his breath.He did,and he was no less of a man for it.
When my aunt died I was traveling in singing ministry.The family group did not stop with her illness.We had to carry on.She had a song she loved called "Speak to the Mountain" the title gives it away.She asked me to sing it in concert for her,she was too ill to attend.I told her I couldnt and she said God would help me.So I sang it.One lady jumped up in the middle of the song and ran sobbing out of the sanctuary.Not a dry eye in the house.She later told me her father had just passed.I kept singing,standing on stages while my aunt was in hospital.I kept singing while she was dying and after she passed.Never got "emotional".I grieved but never sobbed.It was a couple years later when I heard a cassette tape with her voice on it that I finally broke.Everyone else had long since had their tears.So to say "emotional as a woman" is a bit offensive to me.
My paternal grandmother took a brain tumor and as she lie dying in the hospital I was singing at a pastor friends church as he lay dying in the manse next door.They both died that weekend. My maternal grandmother passed and I was too far away to go to her.I sang "Where the Roses Never Fade" with my family group on cassette and it was played at her funeral.My aunt passed away,as I said,and my grandfather.Through all of this I never stopped singing,kept traveling,kept ministering to others.I couldn't fall apart.I had to be strong for my mother,for my aunts two children,for my younger sister.So to infer a woman is weak and emotional upsets me a bit.Maybe I missed your point.But as someone who has experienced deep grief and had to carry on in spite of it all,I would not consider myself a weak,emotional,weepy woman.Just had to share my story.
You know I appreciate you,blessings on you. K.
My only blood related aunt died of stomach cancer.She was 42.She weighed about 90 pounds by the time she died.My father having been married to my mother quite young,had known my aunt,moms sister,some thirty years.And to watch her in pain and sickness.I can tell you many times he wept "like a woman".Is my father manly.Well to meet him would give you an answer.Friends nicknamed him "the bear" because of the size of his hands.You wouldnt think you could see him sobbing,unable to catch his breath.He did,and he was no less of a man for it.
When my aunt died I was traveling in singing ministry.The family group did not stop with her illness.We had to carry on.She had a song she loved called "Speak to the Mountain" the title gives it away.She asked me to sing it in concert for her,she was too ill to attend.I told her I couldnt and she said God would help me.So I sang it.One lady jumped up in the middle of the song and ran sobbing out of the sanctuary.Not a dry eye in the house.She later told me her father had just passed.I kept singing,standing on stages while my aunt was in hospital.I kept singing while she was dying and after she passed.Never got "emotional".I grieved but never sobbed.It was a couple years later when I heard a cassette tape with her voice on it that I finally broke.Everyone else had long since had their tears.So to say "emotional as a woman" is a bit offensive to me.
My paternal grandmother took a brain tumor and as she lie dying in the hospital I was singing at a pastor friends church as he lay dying in the manse next door.They both died that weekend. My maternal grandmother passed and I was too far away to go to her.I sang "Where the Roses Never Fade" with my family group on cassette and it was played at her funeral.My aunt passed away,as I said,and my grandfather.Through all of this I never stopped singing,kept traveling,kept ministering to others.I couldn't fall apart.I had to be strong for my mother,for my aunts two children,for my younger sister.So to infer a woman is weak and emotional upsets me a bit.Maybe I missed your point.But as someone who has experienced deep grief and had to carry on in spite of it all,I would not consider myself a weak,emotional,weepy woman.Just had to share my story.
You know I appreciate you,blessings on you. K.
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Cool down Rambo... that was a little funny the Nancy boy part...and if you know the Bible you know well the Lord often used sharp words even with those He loved and that followed Him. "Get the behind me Satan". " faithless and perverse generation". And it seems you guys get offended if folks who know what it really means to be men Dont follow along with all your liberal modern day nonsense that we are slaves to our emotions. Its just unbiblical and silly.
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Some of you fellows on this thread need a good dose of boot camp... the first time your instructor calls you Nancy boy And you start crying. You will see how much they think of your emotional outburst. At some point you guys are going to have to leave the pretend world of the chat rooms and make a living for your families. You better dump this idea that crying is the way to handle the issues of this life.
I'm guessing you are completely unaware of the fact that several of the men here who are posting replies to you are actually military veterans themselves as well.
So yes, they actually HAVE been through boot camp.
And apparently, they made it through just fine.
I won't list names because that is their business and up to them to mention it publicly, but please keep in mind that you are not some lone wolf in the forums, and that there are several here who have served both God and country in this thread, or come from families with members who have done so.
So yes, they actually HAVE been through boot camp.
And apparently, they made it through just fine.
I won't list names because that is their business and up to them to mention it publicly, but please keep in mind that you are not some lone wolf in the forums, and that there are several here who have served both God and country in this thread, or come from families with members who have done so.
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