The Law of Jesus Christ
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That was the Holy Ghost that dwelled within Jesus speaking through Jesus.
Jesus (the body)was a temple for the Holy Ghost.
All those miracles and commandments that was given through Jesus was
the Holy Ghost.
Jesus was raised from the grave or dead
by the Holy Ghost.
IF ANY OF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN PROVE THIS FALSE
GO FOR IT.
Jesus (the body)was a temple for the Holy Ghost.
All those miracles and commandments that was given through Jesus was
the Holy Ghost.
Jesus was raised from the grave or dead
by the Holy Ghost.
IF ANY OF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN PROVE THIS FALSE
GO FOR IT.
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J
Believe me, Elin, I'm not defending this guy. Again, I've dealt with him before on another forum where he and I butted heads several different times under several of his different usernames (IOW, he kept getting banned and then coming back under another username) and I've been warning everybody here about this guy for the last couple of days. That being said, although Jesus is the only way to God, we do need the Holy Spirit's assistance in order to be drawn unto Christ and in order to recognize Him as Lord. That is all that I was saying. Thanks.
J
I agree, but the believer is also constantly warned in THE HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED WORD OF GOD to not fall prey to "seducing spirits and doctrines of devils", "deceivers", "false teachers", "false apostles", "wolves in sheep's clothing", etc., etc., etc. Again, why all of the warnings? They're not just "filler" in our Bibles, you know (apparently, you don't). I mean, for crying out loud, we need not look any further for any of the aforementioned THAN RIGHT HERE ON THIS THREAD and our mutual acquaintance "JackHammer". Don't you believe that he is here to deceive? That's exactly why he's here...and people such as these oftentimes walk off with a prey.
Do you want to discuss Galatians chapter 5 which you've selectively cited?
That's fine with me.
.
How did Paul know that "adulterers", "idolaters" and "murderers", to name a few, "SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD" (Galatians 5:19-21)?
It couldn't be because THE TEN COMMANDMENTS prohibit the same, could it?
Nah, couldn't be.
Furthermore, since you rightly noted how that "Liberty in Christ is not an excuse for sin" and even listed Galatians 5:13 as one of your "proof texts", why did you stop there? IOW, why didn't you ALSO cite the very next verse? Here, I'll do it for you:
"For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." (Galatians 5:13-14)
Why did Paul cite AN OLD TESTAMENT COMMANDMENT, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" (Leviticus 19:18), as the antithesis of "using liberty for an occasion to the flesh" TO NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANS? Similarly, why did this same Paul give the following COMMANDMENT "to the saints which are at Ephesus and to the faithful in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 1:1):
Ephesians chapter 6
[1] Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
[2] Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise);
[3] That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
???
Again, why did Paul not only cite AN OLD TESTAMENT COMMANDMENT (Exodus 20:12, Deuteronomy 5:16) TO THE SAINTS AT EPHESUS, but also AN OLD TESTAMENT COMMANDMENT WITH A PROMISE ATTACHED TO IT?
And your answer would be...???
Shall I go on?
Sir, I could EASILY take you through the entire New Testament and show you example after example after example after example of OLD TESTAMENT COMMANDMENTS which have been carried over into the New Testament.
EASILY.
As such, you simply don't know what you're talking about and as an assumed disciplined military man who is accustomed to taking and obeying orders from those in authority over you (I'm referring to God and NOT to myself), I would heartily suggest that you submit yourself to and obey the Word of God Almighty.
Do you know what frightens me?
That people like you who cite such things as Romans 8:38-39 in their signature seemingly stop there. IOW, this same exact Paul continued on to write to these same exact saints at Rome the following:
Romans chapter 11
[17] And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
[18] Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[19] Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
[20] Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[21] For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Now, why do you suppose it is that whereas Paul WARNED THE SAINTS AT ROME to "BE NOT HIGHMINDED, BUT FEAR", to "TAKE HEED LEST HE ALSO SPARE NOT THEE" and to "CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS: OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALT BE CUT OFF" somebody like you comes along and insists "If a person is truly saved, he not only should, but will, manifest a life of constant obedience to the Word of God"?
Here's a question for you:
Were these SAINTS AT ROME "truly saved"?
If not, then prove it?
If so, then, again, why did Paul WARN THEM to "BE NOT HIGHMINDED, BUT FEAR", to "TAKE HEED LEST HE ALSO SPARE NOT THEE" and to "CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS: OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALT BE CUT OFF"?
Again, you don't know what you're talking about.
I'm not sure what type of "fear" you're referring to, but, as we just read, CHRISTIANS OUGHT TO "BE NOT HIGHMINDED (like you presently are), BUT TO FEAR" and CHRISTIANS are clearly instructed to maintain a healthy "fear of the Lord" which has to do with a lot more than just "respect" or "reverence". In fact, I posted the following in relation to the same just yesterday:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106958-what-does-mean-fear-god-5.html#post1874683
Yes, CHRISTIANS are instructed to "work out their own salvation WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING" (Philippians 2:12)...whether you like it or not.
Do you want to discuss Galatians chapter 5 which you've selectively cited?
That's fine with me.
.
How did Paul know that "adulterers", "idolaters" and "murderers", to name a few, "SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD" (Galatians 5:19-21)?
It couldn't be because THE TEN COMMANDMENTS prohibit the same, could it?
Nah, couldn't be.
Furthermore, since you rightly noted how that "Liberty in Christ is not an excuse for sin" and even listed Galatians 5:13 as one of your "proof texts", why did you stop there? IOW, why didn't you ALSO cite the very next verse? Here, I'll do it for you:
"For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." (Galatians 5:13-14)
Why did Paul cite AN OLD TESTAMENT COMMANDMENT, "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" (Leviticus 19:18), as the antithesis of "using liberty for an occasion to the flesh" TO NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIANS? Similarly, why did this same Paul give the following COMMANDMENT "to the saints which are at Ephesus and to the faithful in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 1:1):
Ephesians chapter 6
[1] Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
[2] Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise);
[3] That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
???
Again, why did Paul not only cite AN OLD TESTAMENT COMMANDMENT (Exodus 20:12, Deuteronomy 5:16) TO THE SAINTS AT EPHESUS, but also AN OLD TESTAMENT COMMANDMENT WITH A PROMISE ATTACHED TO IT?
And your answer would be...???
Shall I go on?
Sir, I could EASILY take you through the entire New Testament and show you example after example after example after example of OLD TESTAMENT COMMANDMENTS which have been carried over into the New Testament.
EASILY.
As such, you simply don't know what you're talking about and as an assumed disciplined military man who is accustomed to taking and obeying orders from those in authority over you (I'm referring to God and NOT to myself), I would heartily suggest that you submit yourself to and obey the Word of God Almighty.
Do you know what frightens me?
That people like you who cite such things as Romans 8:38-39 in their signature seemingly stop there. IOW, this same exact Paul continued on to write to these same exact saints at Rome the following:
Romans chapter 11
[17] And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
[18] Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[19] Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
[20] Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[21] For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[22] Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Now, why do you suppose it is that whereas Paul WARNED THE SAINTS AT ROME to "BE NOT HIGHMINDED, BUT FEAR", to "TAKE HEED LEST HE ALSO SPARE NOT THEE" and to "CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS: OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALT BE CUT OFF" somebody like you comes along and insists "If a person is truly saved, he not only should, but will, manifest a life of constant obedience to the Word of God"?
Here's a question for you:
Were these SAINTS AT ROME "truly saved"?
If not, then prove it?
If so, then, again, why did Paul WARN THEM to "BE NOT HIGHMINDED, BUT FEAR", to "TAKE HEED LEST HE ALSO SPARE NOT THEE" and to "CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS: OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALT BE CUT OFF"?
Again, you don't know what you're talking about.
I'm not sure what type of "fear" you're referring to, but, as we just read, CHRISTIANS OUGHT TO "BE NOT HIGHMINDED (like you presently are), BUT TO FEAR" and CHRISTIANS are clearly instructed to maintain a healthy "fear of the Lord" which has to do with a lot more than just "respect" or "reverence". In fact, I posted the following in relation to the same just yesterday:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106958-what-does-mean-fear-god-5.html#post1874683
Yes, CHRISTIANS are instructed to "work out their own salvation WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING" (Philippians 2:12)...whether you like it or not.
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I understood that is what you were saying.
But I don't think that is what he is saying.
If asked directly, he would deny Jesus as the only way to, and the only source of truth and life in, God,
and would affirm other "teachers" who are just as much the way to, and the source of truth and life in, God as Jesus is (that's assuming he would give you a straight answer to the question).
But I don't think that is what he is saying.
If asked directly, he would deny Jesus as the only way to, and the only source of truth and life in, God,
and would affirm other "teachers" who are just as much the way to, and the source of truth and life in, God as Jesus is (that's assuming he would give you a straight answer to the question).
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J
He doesn't like to give straight answers because he gets creamed every time that he does and it becomes rather apparent exactly what type of "spirit" is truly inspiring him. Anyhow, as I suggested to everybody yesterday on one of these threads, let's not miss this golden opportunity to pray for this man because he is desperately in need of the same.
C
“The law of the Christ,” came into being after Jesus completed his earthly ministry. (Galatians 6:2) Unlike its predecessor, the Mosaic Law, this new law largely depended, not upon a series of written commands, but upon principle. It did include some direct commands, though. One of these Jesus called “a new commandment.” Jesus taught all his followers to love one another just as he had loved them. (John 13:34, 35) Yes, self-sacrificing love was to be the hallmark of all those who live by “the law of the Christ.”
Sadly you are still in carnal/flesh as a saved man, still quoting the same that are in preference to you and your friends state of 'lukewarm' faith. Keep on you and your friends, being in such imperfection state and keep on sinning, so that Grace shall abound in you all.
What a 'malnutrition' believer's testimony, denying there is no sinless and righteous servants of CHRIST out there. Are you 'righteous' enough to even recognize them nor even know them?
But our LORD JESUS CHRIST does, according to HIS eyes and not yours and your friends which is 'imperfect'.
We live in the 'comfort zone' and we see and interact with those who are within that zone of 'imperfection' and remain 'lukewarm' and living also to the ;passions' and 'desires' of the flesh.
But they live in the 'tribulations and persecution zone', where they do not act like us but only according to what they have learned and know, the HOLY BIBLE. They are like Abraham's faith and are his children who would lay down their lives, and do what GOD call them to do according to the New Covenant.
You and those who are alike hearts, are far away from such innocent faithful people of GOD.
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST Wake Up!
Get up from where you are and start 'supplementing' to your faith, in order to come out of the remained 'falsehood' until today.
Continue also to deal with this, that is written that;
"Your sins are forgiven, sin no more, or something worst might happen to you."
"Those who keep on sinning belongs to the devil."
What a 'malnutrition' believer's testimony, denying there is no sinless and righteous servants of CHRIST out there. Are you 'righteous' enough to even recognize them nor even know them?
But our LORD JESUS CHRIST does, according to HIS eyes and not yours and your friends which is 'imperfect'.
We live in the 'comfort zone' and we see and interact with those who are within that zone of 'imperfection' and remain 'lukewarm' and living also to the ;passions' and 'desires' of the flesh.
But they live in the 'tribulations and persecution zone', where they do not act like us but only according to what they have learned and know, the HOLY BIBLE. They are like Abraham's faith and are his children who would lay down their lives, and do what GOD call them to do according to the New Covenant.
You and those who are alike hearts, are far away from such innocent faithful people of GOD.
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST Wake Up!
Get up from where you are and start 'supplementing' to your faith, in order to come out of the remained 'falsehood' until today.
Continue also to deal with this, that is written that;
"Your sins are forgiven, sin no more, or something worst might happen to you."
"Those who keep on sinning belongs to the devil."
Peace be with you, and please listen in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIS, If you have ears. In all of Israel GOD chose only Moses to do what?
GOD even chose him to be his mouth. The people of Israel could not stand the voice of GOD at Mount Sinai, and Moses was instructed to speak to the people. Moses was 'mediator' between GOD and Israel. Only Moses could enter the 'Most Holy Place' to 'intercede' in the tabernacle'. Only Moses addresses to Israel what GOD have said for today. Only Moses judged everyday matters of Israel. Only Moses chose and trained those who are to assist him. Moses wrote the five books. Many Israelite perished for opposing Moses. Only Moses was allowed to talk like GOD; "I AM the LORD thy GOD who healeth thee ............................................" and act like GOD in performing 'miracles'.
In the Holy Bible, it is written as GOD's Word in justification that them that Moses gave, was named as the 'Law of Moses'.
Thank you and be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
GOD even chose him to be his mouth. The people of Israel could not stand the voice of GOD at Mount Sinai, and Moses was instructed to speak to the people. Moses was 'mediator' between GOD and Israel. Only Moses could enter the 'Most Holy Place' to 'intercede' in the tabernacle'. Only Moses addresses to Israel what GOD have said for today. Only Moses judged everyday matters of Israel. Only Moses chose and trained those who are to assist him. Moses wrote the five books. Many Israelite perished for opposing Moses. Only Moses was allowed to talk like GOD; "I AM the LORD thy GOD who healeth thee ............................................" and act like GOD in performing 'miracles'.
In the Holy Bible, it is written as GOD's Word in justification that them that Moses gave, was named as the 'Law of Moses'.
Thank you and be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.
What about when JESUS said; "I will send you the Helper/Comforter/HOLY SPIRIT .................... ."
To complete that work of the New Covenant, also in authoring through the HOLY SPIRIT the Holy Bible/ The Book. The Law 'Book' for 'spiritual' citizens of the New Covenant of CHRIST, to practice them and witness to the lost.
To complete that work of the New Covenant, also in authoring through the HOLY SPIRIT the Holy Bible/ The Book. The Law 'Book' for 'spiritual' citizens of the New Covenant of CHRIST, to practice them and witness to the lost.