Scores of Churches Destroyed in Charlie Hebdo Protests in Niger
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M
I don't know why Christians would want to involve themselves in any worldly affairs, especially things like Charlie Hebdo.
But why fear persecution?
But why fear persecution?
J
There is a notion held by many modern Christians that assumes being unafraid of persecution is the same as openly ridiculing others to a degree sufficient to invite it. They are not the same things.
Interesting, so what is the difference between an unextreme, moderate and extreme Christian?
For Christians, I suppose the norm is to be peaceable (if a little rude and condescending at times), committed, and spiritual, and the extreme is to be violent, warmongering and aggressive.
If you define a ''real Christian'' as a nonviolent spiritual person committed to Jesus (who was also a nonviolent spiritual person), then I see no reason that the ''normal'' majority Muslim can't define a ''real Muslim'' as a similarly peaceable person, thus for you to say ''those who commit atrocities in the name of God are not real Christians'' is just as valid as when your common Muslim says 'those who commit atrocities in the name of Allah are not real Muslims''.
What does this mean? If a Christian is ridiculing people, he doesn't do it as a Christian. It's not compatible with love
Jesus taught the stilling of the tongue. So when Christians shout out bluntly and ignorantly, and say irresponsible things under their right to free speech, they invite persecution. Inviting persecution like that is not the same as being unafraid of persecution for being righteous, which is the type of persecution Jesus spoke about being unafraid of.
J
Well, the word extreme means 'furthest from the norm''. So, an extremist Muslim is the one furthest from the norm. What is the norm? The norm (as per the billion Muslims in South East Asia) is to be a law abiding citizen -- nonviolent, peaceable, committed, spiritual. The extreme is to be drastically different than that norm -- violent, lawless, crass.
For Christians, I suppose the norm is to be peaceable (if a little rude and condescending at times), committed, and spiritual, and the extreme is to be violent, warmongering and aggressive.
If you define a ''real Christian'' as a nonviolent spiritual person committed to Jesus (who was also a nonviolent spiritual person), then I see no reason that the ''normal'' majority Muslim can't define a ''real Muslim'' as a similarly peaceable person, thus for you to say ''those who commit atrocities in the name of God are not real Christians'' is just as valid as when your common Muslim says 'those who commit atrocities in the name of Allah are not real Muslims''.
For Christians, I suppose the norm is to be peaceable (if a little rude and condescending at times), committed, and spiritual, and the extreme is to be violent, warmongering and aggressive.
If you define a ''real Christian'' as a nonviolent spiritual person committed to Jesus (who was also a nonviolent spiritual person), then I see no reason that the ''normal'' majority Muslim can't define a ''real Muslim'' as a similarly peaceable person, thus for you to say ''those who commit atrocities in the name of God are not real Christians'' is just as valid as when your common Muslim says 'those who commit atrocities in the name of Allah are not real Muslims''.
A real Christian is one who loves God and people. You seem to be very concerned with what moderate Muslims think of extremist Muslims lol.
M
It's important to be. Moderate Muslims get tarred with the same brush, and a partisan divide emerges where people generalize and stereotype Muslims as ''the bad guy'' and Christians as ''the good guy''. In reality, both ''factions'' if you like, have their saints, and both have their scumbags.
Please...if speaking out against cold blooded killers is wrong to some of you then you are missing what it means to be a Christian. We are called to peace in as much as its in our power...but we are also called to support the justice brought on criminals.
You feel it unjustified for people to murder other people because one side got offended. What does the US do when it drops bombs on entire villages in a war that was retaliation for an event that happened more than 10 years ago and which those who die in that bomb have absolutely no responsibility for?
It's the same. You must apply your idea of justice to all scenarios, or else, at least in my eyes, you're partisan, and therefore part of the problem rather than the solution; which is fairness, genuine justice and the restoration of the ideals of the inherent commonality of man.
J
It's important to be. Moderate Muslims get tarred with the same brush, and a partisan divide emerges where people generalize and stereotype Muslims as ''the bad guy'' and Christians as ''the good guy''. In reality, both ''factions'' if you like, have their saints, and both have their scumbags.
You're focus seems to be on what people think. Who cares. Are you going to change sinful peoples minds on anything? Satan rules the nations and is stirring us all of us up to accomplish God's purposes
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect
J
Please...if speaking out against cold blooded killers is wrong to some of you then you are missing what it means to be a Christian. We are called to peace in as much as its in our power...but we are also called to support the justice brought on criminals.
M
How can I make peace with those who are slaves to sin? Was it a good idea to ridicule such sensitive and violent people? No. Was it a good idea to kill those who did the ridiculing? No.
M
What's justice to you is injustice to someone else, even when the judgement of the situation is based off your own premises for ''justice''. That's important to note.
You feel it unjustified for people to murder other people because one side got offended. What does the US do when it drops bombs on entire villages in a war that was retaliation for an event that happened more than 10 years ago and which those who die in that bomb have absolutely no responsibility for?
It's the same. You must apply your idea of justice to all scenarios, or else, at least in my eyes, you're partisan, and therefore part of the problem rather than the solution; which is fairness, genuine justice and the restoration of the ideals of the inherent commonality of man.
You feel it unjustified for people to murder other people because one side got offended. What does the US do when it drops bombs on entire villages in a war that was retaliation for an event that happened more than 10 years ago and which those who die in that bomb have absolutely no responsibility for?
It's the same. You must apply your idea of justice to all scenarios, or else, at least in my eyes, you're partisan, and therefore part of the problem rather than the solution; which is fairness, genuine justice and the restoration of the ideals of the inherent commonality of man.
J
My whole problem is they are not comparable in any biblical sense or legal or by any standard of morality! To even imply that these folks deserved to be gunned down like animals is just insanity and inhumane. I know you would not do this but that's what some of these folks are trying to suggest.
My whole problem is they are not comparable in any biblical sense or legal or by any standard of morality! To even imply that these folks deserved to be gunned down like animals is just insanity and inhumane. I know you would not do this but that's what some of these folks are trying to suggest.
I'm not saying it was right for the Muslims to react as they did, nor that it was right for Charlie Hebdo to make those cartoons, just that the cost they paid for irresponsible free speech was the heinous execution of human beings. That isn't synonymous with ''they deserved it''.
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Free speech is how you educate people. Silencing free speech is how corrupt governments keep people ignorant. They don't want people to know what is really going on, and question their authority, which is exactly what the Muslims are trying to do. They don't have any authority in the west, and that is why they are committing random acts of terror against newspapers, and beheading journalists. Free speech is a threat to the ISIL "regime". ISIL doesn't want people to report on how horrible they are because then everyone will hate them, and they won't be able to take over. I can't believe people who claim to be Christians are defending Radical Islamists. It makes me think this is really a Jihadist propaganda site. If you don't want people to argue with you, and speak their minds that's too bad because this is a public forum.