DO YOU LOVE GODS LAW?

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Of course it is a false translation, it has not been vetted by Mitspa.
No they freely admit they reject the Greek text and make some claim that somehow they alone have the truth. Which is an absolute rejection of the work of all biblical scholars and history itself. There claims are so void of truth that one must wonder at the blindness of those who would follow after such ungodliness?
 

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There are manuscripts of parts of the NT that are in Hebrw, and it stands to reason there were manuscripts in Hebrew since the Twelve plus Paul were Jews who were careful in their preaching when it was to other Jews to keep teaching in the language of the Jews and the Torah. This point is moot though, since the Word has been and may be translated into any language. I have readt he OT in its original tongue, and I have read most of the New Testament in a Hebrew version. There is not reason to discount any writing simply due to your disapproval of it having been translated. Also, it is not out of God's power to keep all the translations viable for use for anhyone who knows Jesus Christ. Next you will probably say the names Yahweh and Yeshua are incorrect?

Again, the translations do all say much the same. I have read many translations and to date I have also ready the Nt IN FOUR LANGUAGES WITH some reading in other languages.

If our blessed God wants anyone to receive the truth, they will receive the truth. Our brother H. is only interested in others learning what he has learned with an open heart and mind. He would not be in this forum sharing his vast knowledge with others lest helove in Jesus Christ.
 
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There are manuscripts of parts of the NT that are in Hebrw, and it stands to reason there were manuscripts in Hebrew since the Twelve plus Paul were Jews who were careful in their preaching when it was to other Jews to keep teaching in the language of the Jews and the Torah. This point is moot though, since the Word has been and may be translated into any language. I have readt he OT in its original tongue, and I have read most of the New Testament in a Hebrew version. There is not reason to discount any writing simply due to your disapproval of it having been translated. Also, it is not out of God's power to keep all the translations viable for use for anhyone who knows Jesus Christ. Next you will probably say the names Yahweh and Yeshua are incorrect?

Again, the translations do all say much the same. I have read many translations and to date I have also ready the Nt IN FOUR LANGUAGES WITH some reading in other languages.

If our blessed God wants anyone to receive the truth, they will receive the truth. Our brother H. is only interested in others learning what he has learned with an open heart and mind. He would not be in this forum sharing his vast knowledge with others lest helove in Jesus Christ.
There is no evidence of any text that precede the Greek text. None! And no biblical scholar would accept any text has having any authority other than where they agree with the Greek. So you guys need to stop trying to promote such things and have some fear and respect for Gods word.
 

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It is not important which version was teh first language of the Word, what is important is study of the Word in whatever language God has sen fit for it to be written in. It may have been Greek, and it may have been Hebrew, no mater. They all possess the knowledge from God with the Holy Spirit guiding the reader...

This competition people have between the languages is a satanic red herring, so try to get away from that intellectualism. It is far worse than you may understand.
 

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There is no evidence of any text that precede the Greek text. None! And no biblical scholar would accept any text has having any authority other than where they agree with the Greek. So you guys need to stop trying to promote such things and have some fear and respect for Gods word.
What Greek text? There are NO originals around today of any of the N.T. Text.

Actually, if you want the originals, you have to look for the gospel accounts and the original letters written as well as Luke's account written to Theophilus.

Good luck finding them.
 
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It is not important which version was teh first language of the Word, what is important is study of the Word in whatever language God has sen fit for it to be written in. It may have been Greek, and it may have been Hebrew, no mater. They all possess the knowledge from God with the Holy Spirit guiding the reader...

This competition people have between the languages is a satanic red herring, so try to get away from that intellectualism. It is far worse than you may understand.
It comes down to the matter of believing that God was able to preserve His word, in meaning and truth.
 
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And in direct reference to the law, I must say the same.

Mat 5:18


(ASV)
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.


(CEV)
Heaven and earth may disappear. But I promise you that not even a period or comma will ever disappear from the Law. Everything written in it must happen.


(Darby)
For verily I say unto you, Until the heaven and the earth pass away, one iota or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all come to pass.


(DRB)
For amen I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled.


(FDB)
car, en vérité, je vous dis: Jusqu'à ce que le ciel et la terre passent, un seul iota ou un seul trait de lettre ne passera point de la loi, que tout ne soit accompli.


(FLS)
Car, je vous le dis en vérité, tant que le ciel et la terre ne passeront point, il ne disparaîtra pas de la loi un seul iota ou un seul trait de lettre, jusqu'à ce que tout soit arrivé.


(HNT)
כי אמן אמר אני לכם עד כי־יעברו השמים והארץ לא תעבר יוד אחת או־קוץ אחד מן־התורה עד אשר יקים הכל׃


(INR)
Poiché in verità vi dico: finché non siano passati il cielo e la terra, neppure un iota o un apice della legge passerà senza che tutto sia adempiuto.


(IRL)
poiché io vi dico in verità che finché non siano passati il cielo e la terra, neppure un iota o un apice della legge passerà, che tutto non sia adempiuto.


(ISV)
because I tell you with certainty that until heaven and earth disappear, not one letter or one stroke of a letter will disappear from the Law until everything has been accomplished.


(KJV)
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


(KJV+)
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(ROB)
Căci adevărat zic vouă: Înainte de a trece cerul şi pământul, o iotă sau o cirtă din Lege nu va trece, până ce se vor face toate.


(SSE)
Porque de cierto os digo, que hasta que perezca el cielo y la tierra, ni una jota ni una tilde perecerá de la Ley, hasta que todas las cosas sean cumplidas.


(Vulgate)
amen quippe dico vobis donec transeat caelum et terra iota unum aut unus apex non praeteribit a lege donec omnia fiant


(Webster)
For verily I say to you, Till heaven and earth shall pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


(WNT)
Solemnly I tell you that until Heaven and earth pass away, not one iota or smallest detail will pass away from the Law until all has taken place.
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its in the christian bible. so it will still be there to read from generation to generations.

so will the new covenant change.
 
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What Greek text? There are NO originals around today of any of the N.T. Text.

Actually, if you want the originals, you have to look for the gospel accounts and the original letters written as well as Luke's account written to Theophilus.

Good luck finding them.
What...we have complete GREEK epistles from around 400 ad and thousands of other Greek epistles that bear witness to those Greek epistles from all over the known world att. There is no debate about the fact that the epistles where written in Greek and we can have all confidence in these Greek letters as the clear and evident word of God...you guys would question the very foundation of our faith (the word of God) to bring in your legalism. All of you should be ashamed of yourselves!
 
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Mitspa

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It is not important which version was teh first language of the Word, what is important is study of the Word in whatever language God has sen fit for it to be written in. It may have been Greek, and it may have been Hebrew, no mater. They all possess the knowledge from God with the Holy Spirit guiding the reader...

This competition people have between the languages is a satanic red herring, so try to get away from that intellectualism. It is far worse than you may understand.
How can you study the Word if you don't know what it is or what is says? There is no question about the fact it was written in Greek! and for you or anyone else to use a version that is not based on the Greek text, is to reject the truth of Gods Word altogether!
 
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What...we have complete GREEK epistles from around 400 ad and thousands of other Greek epistles that bear witness to those Greek epistles from all over the known world att. There is no debate about the fact that the epistles where written in Greek and we can have all confidence in these Greek letters as the clear and evident word of God...you guys would question the very foundation of our faith (the word of God) to bring in your legalism. All of you should be ashamed of yourselves!
Jesus said:
And many after drinking the old wine don't want the new, for they say ''the old is better'' Luke5:39
 
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It comes down to the matter of believing that God was able to preserve His word, in meaning and truth.
He did preserve it in thousands of Greek text from all over the known world att...that all bear witness together to the truth held in the Greek text themselves.
 
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Jeremiah 31:31-34
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days,saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD:for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

1 Peter 2:9-10
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Hebrews 7:12,19

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did;by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Romans 3:19-20
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

John 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Romans 4:8
How joyful is the man the Lord will never charge with sin!

Acts 13:38-41
Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. 40Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; 41Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
 

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You do see the grave misconception here? First, trust that God has preserved His Word for all until today, for He has done just htat. Second, a manuscript may look "museumie" but it is nothing more than the precursor to printed material. There are original manuscripts in Hebrew also. So God has given mankind the gift of His Word in Jesus Christ and in thousands of translations of His Word for all of the "other flock" to be united with the Faith of Abraham........

He did preserve it in thousands of Greek text from all over the known world att...that all bear witness together to the truth held in the Greek text themselves.
 

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Child, in t the late 1960's it was my privilage to share the Word with many, mostly Jews, but many gentiles. One of the latter, who was not literate, came to me one day with a most amazing teaching for me. He did not read it, no, it came to him by revelation.

Do not berate anyone for not reading ¨Greek or Hebrew. God is able to raise children of Abraham from stones. Always remember this before considering teaching others they must know Greek. My own experience is to have read the Word in other languages for my own satisfaction. Nothing I have read, ever, has changed the basic knowledge given me witby the Holy Spirit, Salvation is from the Jews, and Salvation is Jesus Christ.
How can you study the Word if you don't know what it is or what is says? There is no question about the fact it was written in Greek! and for you or anyone else to use a version that is not based on the Greek text, is to reject the truth of Gods Word altogether!
 
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i believe the law is a gift given by the Father our Almighty creator to help us live as close to heaven on earth in these clay vessels as possible. We are not molded yet, but the Potter is doing His work in us, and i believe that by obeying the Potter it makes His job easier. Can the clay tell the Potter how His work will be done? i don't think so! So i will just keep obeying the best i can and enjoy the ride on the wheel.
 
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Hi I'm knew here and the law is not God's grace, It is a means to define sin. I'm just saying, we had the law and it didn't work, man is incapable of keeping it. Moses could not keep it and King David could not, If you read the book of Hebrews which is the hall of shame, they all failed every last one. What shall we do I wonder?
 

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What...we have complete GREEK epistles from around 400 ad and thousands of other Greek epistles that bear witness to those Greek epistles from all over the known world att. There is no debate about the fact that the epistles where written in Greek and we can have all confidence in these Greek letters as the clear and evident word of God...you guys would question the very foundation of our faith (the word of God) to bring in your legalism. All of you should be ashamed of yourselves!
Uh, so you are telling me that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, Peter, Jude and Paul wrote in the 4th century? Nope. Those are not the originals. The originals are long gone.
 
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Mitspa

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You do see the grave misconception here? First, trust that God has preserved His Word for all until today, for He has done just htat. Second, a manuscript may look "museumie" but it is nothing more than the precursor to printed material. There are original manuscripts in Hebrew also. So God has given mankind the gift of His Word in Jesus Christ and in thousands of translations of His Word for all of the "other flock" to be united with the Faith of Abraham........
What? Jaume...what in the world are you trying to say? There are no original New Testament manuscripts in Hebrew...its well established the New Testament was written in Greek, there is no debate going on about this issue. Any text that do not agree with the Greek text are false and must be rejected, its that simple.
 
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Uh, so you are telling me that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, Peter, Jude and Paul wrote in the 4th century? Nope. Those are not the originals. The originals are long gone.
Well by that standard...we don't have any access to any of the bible...do you think we have a copy written in Moses hand...do we have the stones of the law? No we have a clear history and a evident passing along of the text through Gods people...we have years of diligent study by trusted sources. Their is no debate about the Greek text, it is so well established that no one with any understanding of the text would even suggest such nonsense.
 
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i believe the law is a gift given by the Father our Almighty creator to help us live as close to heaven on earth in these clay vessels as possible. We are not molded yet, but the Potter is doing His work in us, and i believe that by obeying the Potter it makes His job easier. Can the clay tell the Potter how His work will be done? i don't think so! So i will just keep obeying the best i can and enjoy the ride on the wheel.
Again Brother Don....all the law is fulfilled in one word...love! Not legalism. If you really love Gods law you will teach love not legalism...its really that simple :)