A woman as a Pastor? Does it make it right if there is a need for pastors?

[Utah]

why can't women accept being a preacher is the only job they aren't allowed to do out of thousands.

it's like the garden of eden, that one piece of fruit she couldn't eat was the one she wanted to.

If God had wanted them as preachers or in leadership roles in religious institutions he would have had them back in the temple, yet he never felt the need to. Neither did Jesus feel the need to have 6 male disciples and 6 female disciples, you know for equality sake. You can't just blame it on a man made cultural thing related to the period as it was a culture based entirely on rules made by God.

I would not got to a church with a female preacher because I'd know she doesn't read her Bible.

Dear brother, if you read post #76 you will see that I am not blind to the problems that can arise when certain women become pastors, but for you to make a blanket statement that women pastors don't read the Bible is seriously shortsighted.

 

[p_rehbein]

I dunno, I mean the bible tells us they were around women. But that gave me another idea. Maybe God didnt want women to preach partly because how our world works, women being .....well....sexually objectified by our people. Many men and women like, revel in this way of living, and maybe thats part of the reason God didnt want that to take place.

But I dunno about sexual harassment, Christ talked to and worked with many women as well as men in the time he spent on earth in the flesh.

Yeah, I don't think that's what God was thinking.........I kinda go with Scripture on this one.......

Galatians 3:24 .) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 .) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 .) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 .) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 .) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 .) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[p_rehbein]

This argument in a nutshell:


CARNAL CHRISTIANS............................................................SPIRITUAL CHRISTIANS

EARTHY UNDERSTANDING.......................................................SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING

CARNAL CHRISTIANS.............................................................SPIRITUAL CHRISTIANS

SUPPING ON MILK....................................................................FEASTING ON MEAT

(pretty much sums it up)

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

There is no male or female through Christ, but here on earth we do still have the roles given to us that we must follow. Be careful with that piece of scripture, it can be used to justify those living as transgender. We are freed from the law because we have all broken it, but God is still a God of order, and never once said live as youd like.

God definitely didnt tell women not to preach without reason. I dont understand His will 100%, but it is what we are told in both OT and NT.

 

[WebersHome]

I have to give you "kudos" on one thing. You sure are not shy about your
feeling of authority over women. So far you have pretty much proved that
you feel you are better than women in every aspect.

It's not a matter of better; it's a matter of primogeniture.

†. 1Tim 2:11-13 . . Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I
suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be
in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Nor is it a matter of competence; it's a matter of obedience.

†. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let
him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the
commandments of The Lord.

†. 1Ths 4:1-2 . .We beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord
Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please
God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments
we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

Seeing as how Paul's rules are Christ's rules, then it's also a matter of
loyalty.

†. John 14:15 . . If you love me, you will comply with what I command.

†. John 14:21 . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one
who loves me.

†. John 14:23-24 . . If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who
does not love me will not obey my teaching.

Disloyal females are Christ's enemies.

†. John 15:14 . .You are my friends if you do as I wish.

You know why the issue of female pastors is so controversial? It's because
far more Christians are worldly than heavenly; they're living the Christian
life according to their feelings instead of according to the rules; viz: they're
carnal instead of spiritual; and apparently content to be that way.

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[p_rehbein]

It's not a matter of better; it's a matter of primogeniture.

†. 1Tim 2:11-13 . . Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I
suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be
in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Nor is it a matter of competence; it's a matter of obedience.

†. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let
him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the
commandments of The Lord.

†. 1Ths 4:1-2 . .We beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord
Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please
God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments
we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

Seeing as how Paul's rules are Christ's rules, then it's also a matter of
loyalty.

†. John 14:15 . . If you love me, you will comply with what I command.

†. John 14:21 . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one
who loves me.

†. John 14:23-24 . . If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who
does not love me will not obey my teaching.

Disloyal females are Christ's enemies.

†. John 15:14 . .You are my friends if you do as I wish.

You know why the issue of female pastors is so controversial? It's because
far more Christians are worldly than heavenly; they're living the Christian
life according to their feelings instead of according to the rules; viz: they're
carnal instead of spiritual; and apparently content to be that way.

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You mean like those who DESPERATLY CLING to the Laws of Moses, and the "traditions" of man instead of maturing in their Faith, receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, and learning what it means to be a Spiritual Christian/Disciple of Christ?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Though we are no longer under the law, Christ told us how to live, and never said do what you want as long as you believe in me. God says He saves those who desire righteousness, not those who see what they can get away with. What does living righteously mean? Trying to be like Christ, who told us Himself, He came to do GODs will.

We should consider what God would want, and not how we feel about it.

 

[p_rehbein]

Though we are no longer under the law, Christ told us how to live, and never said do what you want as long as you believe in me. God says He saves those who desire righteousness, not those who see what they can get away with. What does living righteously mean? Trying to be like Christ, who told us Himself, He came to do GODs will.

We should consider what God would want, and not how we feel about it.

Why are you quoting Christ? Concerning this discussion? This entire boondoggle comes from those who can not read the teachings of Paul IN CONTEXT..................???

Just go back to the beginning of this thread and read the various comments from those who condemn women called to the Ministry.....and the one GLARING fact that pops out is that THEY THEMSELVES are in disagreement over a woman's role in the Church..........goodness.........

 

[KJV1611]

This argument in a nutshell:


CARNAL CHRISTIANS............................................................SPIRITUAL CHRISTIANS

EARTHY UNDERSTANDING.......................................................SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING

CARNAL CHRISTIANS.............................................................SPIRITUAL CHRISTIANS

SUPPING ON MILK....................................................................FEASTING ON MEAT

(pretty much sums it up)

or maybe something like this.
Apostate church. ............................................. True church

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Why are you quoting Christ? Concerning this discussion? This entire boondoggle comes from those who can not read the teachings of Paul IN CONTEXT..................???

Just go back to the beginning of this thread and read the various comments from those who condemn women called to the Ministry.....and the one GLARING fact that pops out is that THEY THEMSELVES are in disagreement over a woman's role in the Church..........goodness.........

Actually, you brought Him up first. Im not sure why you are angry.

And besides, being a Christian thread, we should in fact go with Christs teachings. Speaking about women preaching, it is good to bring Christ into the conversation, because Paul was not Christ. And Christ never once said that women could preach, but actually told us that He supported Gods will.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Also, the opener never mentioned Paul, but only whether or not "do you believe its right for a woman to be a pastor?"

So actually I am on topic entirely.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Put God before things like what men call equal rights. Does Gods will really hurt anyone? And besides, even though the earth is always taking about equality, and even accusing God of in equality, is our world even really in anyway equal?

Why fight with what God has asked? Why not just follow it? And no Im not coming as someone who has followed the law perfectly, but I dont wanna argue with it, the bible does tell us that God did not want women to preach.

 

[WebersHome]

maturing in their Faith, receiving the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit,
and learning what it means to be a Spiritual Christian/Disciple of
Christ?

Females maturing in the Christian faith, after receiving the indwelling
presence of the Holy Spirit, and learning what it means to be a spiritual
Christian/disciple of Christ; are obedient to Paul because Paul's rules are
Christ's rules.

†. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let
him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the
commandments of The Lord.

Bottom line is: Female pastors are not only unspiritual; but they are also
Christ's enemies.

†. John 15:14 . .You are my friends if you do as I wish.

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[senzi]

Yes, God's truth must be preached, if women are available to do the work where there is a need, they must be allowed to

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

God is merciful, and yes we are no longer under the law, meaning we cannot claim that we are saved because we did well under the law. But God did say that He did not want women to preach. That is my entire point in this conversation. It has never been written that God did want that, and there is nothing that shows that He would that I know of. I would never say to take any action against a woman who does, or even treat her differently than a male pastor, but I do not believe it was ever Gods will.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Its like divorce. Yes, Christians do it, and yeah Moses even told Gods people they could, but Christ told us that it was never what God wanted, but is done because we refuse His will.

Like God tells us, we are rebels from our birth.

 

[kaylagrl]

Females maturing in the Christian faith, after receiving the indwelling
presence of the Holy Spirit, and learning what it means to be a spiritual
Christian/disciple of Christ; are obedient to Paul because Paul's rules are
Christ's rules.

†. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let
him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the
commandments of The Lord.

Bottom line is: Female pastors are not only unspiritual; but they are also
Christ's enemies.

†. John 15:14 . .You are my friends if you do as I wish.

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Female pastors are Christs enemies.....just going to let that sink in..... Folks on both sides of the discussion do you agree with this statement?


Female pastors are Christs enemies.

For the female pastors in my family I am deeply offended.That you believe these women are doing the devils work.It just doesnt get anymore offensive then that.I've had trolls say some pretty nasty things to me but nothing on here has been so offensive to me.

Female Pastors are Christs enemies....

 

[fredjames]

The pastor of a church preaches, right?

Is Joel Osteen a pastor or a preacher?

Please first of all, let us not look onto men what they do, as to say they 'preach'. But please do look at the New Covenant, what should actually take place in the church, in 'order' to 'built up' already saved believers, after coming in faith upon receiving the 'preaching' of the Gospel to repentance and further in baptism of water and the HOLY SPIRIT.

Please read 1 Corinthians chapter 14, the whole context that explains what 'truthfully' should take place in a church, in 'order' now to 'built up', HOLY SPIRIT gifted people (1 Corinthians chapter 12 in context), gathered to gather, on 'one' discipline and obedience to the Word of GOD, especially the New Covenant by 'prophesying'.

Then the other 'gifts' in 'orderly', 'prophesied' knowledge in 'unity' pattern as follow, conducted in the church as well.

And in 1 Corinthians chapter 11 the whole context, allows women to 'prophesy' and 'pray' in the church, but in 'orderly' knowledge taught and guided pattern, with a 'covering', if she have her hair 'cut short'. The KJV version disallows them to even use a sharp instrument to 'trim' or 'cut' their hair. because it has mentioned the word 'shorn'.

If they have to 'shorn' or 'shave' due to a reasonable reason, they ought to wear a 'covering', to honor their 'Head', 'CHRIST' and 'overseer' and their husbands for married women and 'CHRIST' and 'overseer' and their biological 'father', for unmarried woman.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Though Im not trying to say that they are in anyway an enemy of God, I do wanna point out that we are warned that satan comes as an angel of light. I strongly believe he is the one who is leading us to the coming age of "tolerance, reason and unity". Not everything he pushes on you is death and destruction, often times its actually almost seemingly kind and righteous.

Though God is merciful, satan will lead you to rebel against Him in any way he can, all to get at God. That does include making you question the reasoning and logic behind something God wants, one of maaaany being why couldnt a woman preach.

I dont really believe that women preachers will be cast into hell, because we all have sinned. But for that idea, though followers arent enemies, it is a rebellion, and I dont doubt satan pushes it merely to lead you into rebelling.

What does the bible tell us hes trying to accomplish? That we will not follow God, but do what we want. He is called our accuser.

 

[fredjames]

This is actually an amusing comment. You do realize that the gospel of Christ has nothing to do with men or women as leaders? The Gospel of Christ is Christ alone. It is all about Jesus coming to be the propitiation for our sins. Jesus fully God and fully man. Not only dying on the cross for our sins but returning from the grave conquering death once and for all. That those who place their faith in Him may have eternal life. This is the Gospel of Christ.

If you actually add anything to this then you do not know what the true Gospel of Christ is.

If you are wise, only answer according to the 'title of the tread'. The answer have been already given according to written and established New Covenant, for all Christian men or women to come into 'submissive' and 'obedience' to GOD's 'every word' given by CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT who have 'inspired' them. Sadly the 'lamb of CHRIST' who posted this 'tread in question', i believe is no longer participating with us in this, with who have transform this discussion room into a 'market place'.

As it is written;

"Workout your own salvation in fear and trembling."