The Church and Anti Antisemitism,Can We Talk About It?

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Excerpts from​
ENCYCLICAL LETTER
CARITAS IN VERITATE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS
MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS
THE LAY FAITHFUL
AND ALL PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL
ON INTEGRAL HUMAN DEVELOPMENT
IN CHARITY AND TRUTH

Man's earthly activity, when inspired and sustained by charity, contributes to the building of the universal city of God, which is the goal of the history of the human family. In an increasingly globalized society, the common good and the effort to obtain it cannot fail to assume the dimensions of the whole human family, that is to say, the community of peoples and nations, in such a way as to shape the earthly city in unity and peace, rendering it to some degree an anticipation and a prefiguration of the undivided city of God.


His was certainly a social teaching of great importance: he underlined the indispensable importance of the Gospel for building a society according to freedom and justice, in the ideal and historical perspective of a civilization animated by love. Paul VI clearly understood that the social question had become worldwide and he grasped the interconnection between the impetus towards the unification of humanity and the Christian ideal of a single family of peoples in solidarity and fraternity.

, but only on Christ, to whom every authentic vocation to integral human development must be directed. The Gospel is fundamental for development, because in the Gospel, Christ, “in the very revelation of the mystery of the Father and of his love, fully reveals humanity to itself”. Taught by her Lord, the Church examines the signs of the times and interprets them, offering the world “what she possesses as her characteristic attribute: a global vision of man and of the human race”

The truth of development consists in its completeness: if it does not involve the whole man and every man, it is not true development. This is the central message of Populorum Progressio, valid for today and for all time. Integral human development on the natural plane, as a response to a vocation from God the Creator, demands self-fulfilment in a “transcendent humanism which gives [to man] his greatest possible perfection: this is the highest goal of personal development”.

Hence, in the pursuit of development, there is a need for “the deep thought and reflection of wise men in search of a new humanism which will enable modern man to find himself anew”.

The importance of this goal is such as to demand our openness to understand it in depth and to mobilize ourselves at the level of the “heart”, so as to ensure that current economic and social processes evolve towards fully human outcomes.


The different aspects of the crisis, its solutions, and any new development that the future may bring, are increasingly interconnected, they imply one another, they require new efforts of holistic understanding and a new humanistic synthesis.


Lowering the level of protection accorded to the rights of workers, or abandoning mechanisms of wealth redistribution in order to increase the country's international competitiveness, hinder the achievement of lasting development.

But the social doctrine of the Church has unceasingly highlighted the importance ofdistributive justice and social justice for the market economy, not only because it belongs within a broader social and political context, but also because of the wider network of relations within which it operates.

36. Economic activity cannot solve all social problems through the simple application of commercial logic. This needs to be directed towards the pursuit of the common good, for which the political community in particular must also take responsibility. Therefore, it must be borne in mind that grave imbalances are produced when economic action, conceived merely as an engine for wealth creation, is detached from political action, conceived as a means for pursuing justice through redistribution.


37. The Church's social doctrine has always maintained that justice must be applied to every phase of economic activity, because this is always concerned with man and his needs. Locating resources, financing, production, consumption and all the other phases in the economic cycle inevitably have moral implications. Thus every economic decision has a moral consequence. The social sciences and the direction taken by the contemporary economy point to the same conclusion. Perhaps at one time it was conceivable that first the creation of wealth could be entrusted to the economy, and then the task of distributing it could be assigned to politics.


In the global era, the economy is influenced by competitive models tied to cultures that differ greatly among themselves. The different forms of economic enterprise to which they give rise find their main point of encounter in commutative justice. Economic life undoubtedly requires contracts, in order to regulate relations of exchange between goods of equivalent value. But it also needs just laws andforms of redistribution governed by politics, and what is more, it needs works redolent of the spirit of gift. The economy in the global era seems to privilege the former logic, that of contractual exchange, but directly or indirectly it also demonstrates its need for the other two: political logic, and the logic of the unconditional gift.


In this way he was applying on a global scale the insights and aspirations contained in Rerum Novarum, written when, as a result of the Industrial Revolution, the idea was first proposed — somewhat ahead of its time — that the civil order, for its self-regulation, also needed intervention from the State for purposes of redistribution. Not only is this vision threatened today by the way in which markets and societies are opening up, but it is evidently insufficient to satisfy the demands of a fully humane economy. What the Church's social doctrine has always sustained, on the basis of its vision of man and society, is corroborated today by the dynamics of globalization.


The articulation of political authority at the local, national and international levels is one of the best ways of giving direction to the process of economic globalization. It is also the way to ensure that it does not actually undermine the foundations of democracy.


The truth of globalization as a process and its fundamental ethical criterion are given by the unity of the human family and its development towards what is good. Hence a sustained commitment is needed so as to promote a person-based and community-oriented cultural process of world-wide integration that is open to transcendence.

Blind opposition would be a mistaken and prejudiced attitude, incapable of recognizing the positive aspects of the process, with the consequent risk of missing the chance to take advantage of its many opportunities for development. The processes of globalization, suitably understood and directed, open up the unprecedented possibility of large-scale redistribution of wealth on a world-wide scale; if badly directed, however, they can lead to an increase in poverty and inequality, and could even trigger a global crisis. It is necessary to correct the malfunctions, some of them serious, that cause new divisions between peoples and within peoples, and also to ensure that the redistribution of wealth does not come about through the redistribution or increase of poverty: a real danger if the present situation were to be badly managed.

The world-wide diffusion of forms of prosperity should not therefore be held up by projects that are self-centred, protectionist or at the service of private interests. Indeed the involvement of emerging or developing countries allows us to manage the crisis better today. The transition inherent in the process of globalization presents great difficulties and dangers that can only be overcome if we are able to appropriate the underlying anthropological and ethical spirit that drives globalization towards the humanizing goal of solidarity. Unfortunately this spirit is often overwhelmed or suppressed by ethical and cultural considerations of an individualistic and utilitarian nature. Globalization is a multifaceted and complex phenomenon which must be grasped in the diversity and unity of all its different dimensions, including the theological dimension. In this way it will be possible to experience and to steer the globalization of humanity in relational terms, in terms of communion and the sharing of goods.


The link consists in this: individual rights, when detached from a framework of duties which grants them their full meaning, can run wild, leading to an escalation of demands which is effectively unlimited and indiscriminate. An overemphasis on rights leads to a disregard for duties.


What is also needed, though, is a worldwide redistribution of energy resources, so that countries lacking those resources can have access to them.

Since the development of persons and peoples is at stake, this discernment will have to take account of the need for emancipation and inclusivity, in the context of a truly universal human community. “The whole man and all men” is also the criterion for evaluating cultures and religions. Christianity, the religion of the “God who has a human face”, contains this very criterion within itself.

56. The Christian religion and other religions can offer their contribution to development only if God has a place in the public realm, specifically in regard to its cultural, social, economic, and particularly its political dimensions. The Church's social doctrine came into being in order to claim “citizenship status” for the Christian religion.

The exclusion of religion from the public square — and, at the other extreme, religious fundamentalism — hinders an encounter between persons and their collaboration for the progress of humanity. Public life is sapped of its motivation and politics takes on a domineering and aggressive character.

Globalization certainly requires authority, insofar as it poses the problem of a global common good that needs to be pursued.

64. While reflecting on the theme of work, it is appropriate to recall how important it is that labour unions — which have always been encouraged and supported by the Church — should be open to the new perspectives that are emerging in the world of work.

67. In the face of the unrelenting growth of global interdependence, there is a strongly felt need, even in the midst of a global recession, for a reform of the United Nations Organization, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth. One also senses the urgent need to find innovative ways of implementing the principle of the responsibility to protectand of giving poorer nations an effective voice in shared decision-making. This seems necessary in order to arrive at a political, juridical and economic order which can increase and give direction to international cooperation for the development of all peoples in solidarity. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority,

Furthermore, such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums. Without this, despite the great progress accomplished in various sectors, international law would risk being conditioned by the balance of power among the strongest nations.
 

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The very first believers of Jesus Chrisst were almost exclusively Jews. To say "the Jews" or "Jews" rejected HIm as if they all did is in total error, also it does not bear in mind that they were enemies of the Gospel for our sakes.

All who believe Jesus Christ should feel a very strong kinship with the Children of Israel because of thei new found faith of Abrham for all mankind. We in Christ do embrace our spiritual forefathers, staarting with Abraham down to the Messianics of today. We are one in Christ.
 
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The very first believers of Jesus Chrisst were almost exclusively Jews.
To say "the Jews" or "Jews" rejected HIm as if they all did is in total error,
"The Jews" is common NT usage--by John 35 times in his gospel (e.g., Jn 5:15, 16, 6:41, 52, 7:1, 10:31), and even by Jesus (e.g., Jn 13:33, 18:36).

Also it does not bear in mind that they were enemies of the Gospel for our sakes.
It bears in mind what the Apostle John bears in mind.

All who believe Jesus Christ should feel a very strong kinship with the Children of Israel
What kinship do I have with those who reject Jesus Christ?

They are enemies of God.

because of their new found faith of Abrham for all mankind. We in Christ do embrace
our spiritual forefathers, staarting with Abraham down to the Messianics of today. We are one in Christ.
Our forefathers are only those of the faith of Abraham, who believed in the Promise (Jesus Christ),
and received/believed in him when he came.
 
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as a jewish believer did you experience anti-christian treatment from your Jewish community?
this subject cuts both ways.
the first christians were Jewish and suffered unspeakable atrocities not only at the hands of Gentiles but also persecution and death at the hands of their Jewish brothers.
do you agree this is not a one-sided issue?
Certainly!; but as a child growing up on long Island, NY in the 1940's the only evidence I saw of 'Christianity' was Crusades in the eleventh century. inquisitions in the 15th century, Progroms in Eastern Europe in the 17th-20th centuries; and local antisemitism in my own neighborhood. None of this made Christianity attractive in any way.
 

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When a child is adopted into a family he/she is adopted into both sides of the family.

Mk 3:35
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
KJV


On God's side of Jesus' family there is no lineage.
On Mary's side of the family the lineage is the tribe of Judah through David and Nathan (Lk 3:23-33)

[in reading genealogies, it should be remembered that, in Hebrew, the same word is used for both son and son-in-law. It should also be remembered that while Luke was written in Greek, the genealogies were written in Hebrew.]

From this perspective, all believers are Jewish either by birth or by adoption.
 
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i haven't read enough anywhere else (just two of your posts here that i know of/remember)
but
am in complete agreement with you that 'christendom' was not the ekklesia nor was it the body of yahshua hamashiach nor did it know scripture nor torah, nor did it promote truth, nor life, nor true repentance (turning toward yahweh in yahshua hamashiach) , nor living a true life as yahweh says to.

richard wurmbrand ('tortured for christ') from the holocaust also (was the first Jew i met in reading) let it be known
that 'christendom' including mostly roman abomination heretic followers of the enemy
did not know scripture nor torah
and thus the Jews rejected what so-called 'christians' said all the time, because those who knew
any
scripture (and actually many other people who knew no scripture, but like little children watching and listening to what they said) could see right through them (their lies and their total whitewashed lives/hypocrisy).

when richard wurbrand finally met someone (an old man in the mountains yahweh delivered him to),
who
told him the truth about yahweh's love, yahshua (yahweh's salvation) , and showed him by his life the truth(i.e. like yahshua, and unlike heretics and fakes, his life did not deviate from his word),
richard wurbrand was completely and totally saved from his sin and from all the power of the enemy
and he received righteousness , peace and joy, as well as eternal life to boot.

Certainly!; but as a child growing up on long Island, NY in the 1940's the only evidence I saw of 'Christianity' was Crusades in the eleventh century. inquisitions in the 15th century, Progroms in Eastern Europe in the 17th-20th centuries; and local antisemitism in my own neighborhood. None of this made Christianity attractive in any way.
 
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Come again? Can you explain that better? Thanks
christian zionism seems to be a sub caste, they are in complete servitude to jews.
White nations give tithes to Israel, assault their own people with 'antisemitic' laws and have instilled some sort of belief that jews are 'chosen' because of some sort of supernatural real estate title by a God which they themselves dont even believe in.
christian zionists dont seem to be following the Bible as most (99.9%) of people know it.
They seem to be following the scofield bible, noahide laws and the babylonian talmud.
Im just wondering if you are of the Exclusive Brethren which was founded by Darby who brought in the 'jews are our gods' garbage. It shows as the EB seem to think that everyone should be in servitude to them because they are 'closer' to the jews than anyone else.
I dont know why you hold christian zionism to be the absolute truth, all I can say is that I will not bless atheists, pantheists or those claiming to be children of Abraham when they are quite clearly not.
As far as Im concerned all Christians are equal in front of Jesus - its not where youre from but where youre at.
 

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clittle;1900305[COLOR=#ff8c00 said:
]as a jewish believer did you experience anti-christian treatment from your Jewish community?
this subject cuts both ways.
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the first christians were Jewish and suffered unspeakable atrocities not only at the hands of Gentiles but also persecution and death at the hands of their Jewish brothers.
do you agree this is not a one-sided issue?
]as a jewish believer did you experience anti-christian treatment from your Jewish community?
this subject cuts both ways.
Absolutely not! Having presented myself as a Jew who believes that Yeshua (Jesus) fulfills Messianic prophesy, My wife and I were simultaneously members of both Congregation Ner Tamid, a Conservative synagogue, and First Baptist Church of San Francisco for many years. When we discussed the Torah portion of the week, I was permitted to share my Messianic perspective. There is nothing conflicting with Judaism in believing that Jesus is a Jewish fulfillment of God's promise of a Jewish Messiah, who, as predicted by scripture would also minister to the nations.
 
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]as a jewish believer did you experience anti-christian treatment from your Jewish community?
this subject cuts both ways.
Absolutely not! Having presented myself as a Jew who believes that Yeshua (Jesus) fulfills Messianic prophesy, My wife and I were simultaneously members of both Congregation Ner Tamid, a Conservative synagogue, and First Baptist Church of San Francisco for many years. When we discussed the Torah portion of the week, I was permitted to share my Messianic perspective. There is nothing conflicting with Judaism in believing that Jesus is a Jewish fulfillment of God's promise of a Jewish Messiah, who, as predicted by scripture would also minister to the nations.
How do they respond when you begin to speak of the atoning work of Christ, or of any of the writings of Paul, John, or Peter?
From what I have heard, they accept most of James readily, and much of the teachings of Christ,
but reject the implications.
 
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Many people have difficulty with the Jewish roots of "Chrisitanity". They mistake a love of the OT with law keeping and ritual when one sees that it is ALL about Jesus. The Ot tells us what Jesus was for us and what He fulfilled, that He chose to be obediant unto death for us. The feasts, we have srtifcial copies of ie, Christmas, Easter, Thanksgiving. The feasts reflect Jesus and are prophetic also. God is not finished with Israel or the Jews. He'll keep all the promises He made to them just like He'll keep all the promises He made to us. That's what faithful is...keeping Your Word.
 
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I'd like to remind folks that salvation is through Christ alone. You reject Christ now he's here, you reject salvation. That is Christianity.
 

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How do they respond when you begin to speak of the atoning work of Christ, or of any of the writings of Paul, John, or Peter?
From what I have heard, they accept most of James readily, and much of the teachings of Christ,
but reject the implications.
Sophia,


How do they respond I'm not sure who 'they' includes. I'm sure that many congergations would not have been as accepting of me as Ner Tamid was. Generally the notion of 'conversion' from Judaism to anything else is abhorrent to most Jews; but accepting the Messianic claims of Yeshua (Jesus) from within Judaism does not trouble most. The Congregation i was a member of realized that accepting the atoning work of Yeshua was inherent in accepting His Messianic claims. I never cited the New Testament writers directly; but I was able to lead several members to salvation using Deuteronomy, Psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Hosea. There was no point in citing NT writings to people who did not yet accept their authority.
Early first century believers did not have access to the NT but led many to Christ without it.
 

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How do they respond when you begin to speak of the atoning work of Christ, or of any of the writings of Paul, John, or Peter?
From what I have heard, they accept most of James readily, and much of the teachings of Christ,
but reject the implications.
Sophia,


How do they respond I'm not sure who 'they' includes. I'm sure that many congergations would not have been as accepting of me as Ner Tamid was. Generally the notion of 'conversion' from Judaism to anything else is abhorrent to most Jews; but accepting the Messianic claims of Yeshua (Jesus) from within Judaism does not trouble most. The Congregation i was a member of realized that accepting the atoning work of Yeshua was inherent in accepting His Messianic claims. I never cited the New Testament writers directly; but I was able to lead several members to salvation using Deuteronomy, Psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, and Zechariah. There was no point in citing NT writings to people who did not yet accept their authority.
Early first century believers did not have access to the NT but led many to Christ without it.

Please excuse the double post. It timed out before i could edit.
 

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It is interesting how the majority of believers overlook that when Paul went to Antioch, he went to the congregation (Jews) to announce the news that the Gentiles too had been given the Door to Salvation. It is certain those Jews would call any in the Messiah, Messianics, since the language of the Jews was employed i teahing from the Scriptures available to them at that time, that being the Tanakh. Blessed be the Jews for being our help at so many stages of the the early Messianic belief, that is the faith of Abraham, our spiritual forefather, amen.

Act 14:26


And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled.

Act 14:27


And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.

Act 14:28
And there they abode long time with the disciples.
 
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The issue isn't with the word "Messianic",
as that word means the exact same thing as "Christian", just one is Hebrew and the other is Greek.
Messiah and Christ are the same word.

The issue is the placement of "Jew" as a descriptor. Such labels are to be cast off when we are in Christ (Messiah).
It would be a false descriptor to call myself a Christian Gentile, and simply an added division without a purpose.
I would have the same issue with someone calling their denomination "Christian Jews". Such labels are just barriers, and they have been taken away in the New Covenant. There is one race among the redeemed, and "that one Heavenly".
 
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When a child is adopted into a family he/she is adopted into both sides of the family.

Mk 3:35
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
KJV


On God's side of Jesus' family there is no lineage.
On Mary's side of the family the lineage is the tribe of Judah through David and Nathan (Lk 3:23-33)

[in reading genealogies, it should be remembered that, in Hebrew, the same word is used for both son and son-in-law. It should also be remembered that while Luke was written in Greek, the genealogies were written in Hebrew.]

From this perspective, all believers are Jewish either by birth or by adoption.
Keep in mind that the NT reveals there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ.
 
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]as a jewish believer did you experience anti-christian treatment from your Jewish community?
this subject cuts both ways.
There is nothing conflicting with Judaism in believing that Jesus is a Jewish fulfillment of God's promise of a Jewish Messiah, who, as predicted by scripture would also minister to the nations.
well then I suppose you do not believe that Jesus is actually God in the flesh?
because Judaism absolutely does not allow for this
 
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It might not have been the intention, but by reading the OP, it makes it sound like Germans who killed Jews during WW2 were Christians. Well, if the Germans who persecuted the Jews during world war 2 were Christians, then I am the tooth fairy. They were no more Christian than an axe murderer is a Christian. Jesus said we will know false prophets by their fruits.

As for the Jews: They will one day repent as a nation and accept Jesus as their Messiah shortly before His return.
 
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As for the Jews: They will one day repent as a nation and accept Jesus as their Messiah shortly before His return.
Proximity wise, the Word says "at His Coming". It doesn't actually say "before".
I fully agree with the rest of your post. Such fruit comes from a different root.
 
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I'd like to remind folks that salvation is through Christ alone. You reject Christ now he's here, you reject salvation. That is Christianity.

Hate to keep saying it but read Rom 11.