The Church and Anti Antisemitism,Can We Talk About It?

[kaylagrl]

It might not have been the intention, but by reading the OP, it makes it sound like Germans who killed Jews during WW2 were Christians. Well, if the Germans who persecuted the Jews during world war 2 were Christians, then I am the tooth fairy. They were no more Christian than an axe murderer is a Christian. Jesus said we will know false prophets by their fruits.

As for the Jews: They will one day repent as a nation and accept Jesus as their Messiah shortly before His return.

I agree with your last sentence. And in my first post I made the post of the replacement theology and how that bred antisemitism in the church.A poll taken in Germany just before the Holocaust showed 95% of Germany considered themselves Christians.So was antisemitism so embedded in the church that people felt the killers of Christ deserved such a punishment? Anyhow that was sort of the issue and question.

 

[kaylagrl]

christian zionism seems to be a sub caste, they are in complete servitude to jews.
White nations give tithes to Israel, assault their own people with 'antisemitic' laws and have instilled some sort of belief that jews are 'chosen' because of some sort of supernatural real estate title by a God which they themselves dont even believe in.
christian zionists dont seem to be following the Bible as most (99.9%) of people know it.
They seem to be following the scofield bible, noahide laws and the babylonian talmud.
Im just wondering if you are of the Exclusive Brethren which was founded by Darby who brought in the 'jews are our gods' garbage. It shows as the EB seem to think that everyone should be in servitude to them because they are 'closer' to the jews than anyone else.
I dont know why you hold christian zionism to be the absolute truth, all I can say is that I will not bless atheists, pantheists or those claiming to be children of Abraham when they are quite clearly not.
As far as Im concerned all Christians are equal in front of Jesus - its not where youre from but where youre at.

"assault their own people with 'antisemitic' laws" can you tell me what you mean by that?Im just wondering if you are of the Exclusive Brethren which was founded by Darby who brought in the 'jews are our gods' garbage" No I believe in THE God and no other.

"all I can say is that I will not bless atheists, pantheists or those claiming to be children of Abraham when they are quite clearly not" The Bible says to bless those that curse you.

Praise Christ Jesus of Bethlehem and Nazareth...that Jesus you're praising was Jewish and he said he came to fulfill the law not abolish it.

 

[stabbo]

Not anti-Semitism but biblical fact the Jews murdered the Christ, Acts 2:23; 2 Thess 2:15; Acts 7:52. The OT is a written history of the Jews rejecting God time and again and when the Jews finally rejected Christ, God cast them off while grafting in the Gentiles, Rom 11 thereby making the true Jew those Jews and Gentiles that become Christians and the church the spiritual Israel, Rom 2:28,29; Gal 6:16; Rom 9:6

Well not all jews killed killed your messiah, just a small group. If that small group claimed your messiahs blood be on their heads and their children heads then that was nothing more than an idle comment.

 

[MarcR]

Keep in mind that the NT reveals there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ.

Elin,

What do you suppose that means?

I believe it means that God's blessing is bestowed on the Church without consideration of ethnic or cultural distinctions.

I do not believe that ethnic and cultural heritage becomes irrelevant.

 

[JaumeJ]

We look forward to our City, the New Jerusalem, capital of the Israel of God. So many folks have reduced Israel to one tribe, Judah, but this is not so. We are paisers of God (Yah) in the faith of Abraham as taught by Jesus Christ.

 

[MarcR]

well then I suppose you do not believe that Jesus is actually God in the flesh?
because Judaism absolutely does not allow for this

Every time the OT speaks of the oneness of God; The Hebrew word translated as 'one is אֶחָד
אֶחָד signifies composite unity as in one cluster of grapes וְאֶשְׁכּ֤וֺל עֲנָבִי֨ם אֶחָד (Nu 13:23)

Hebrew has a word for absolute unity יָֽחַד which is NEVER used in connection with God.


I do believe that Jesus is God in the flesh and the OT gives me no reason not to.

For you Hebrew scholaes out there: I typed a segol under the aleph but it pasted as a sare I know the difference

 

[Elin]

Elin,

What do you suppose that means?

I believe it means that God's blessing is bestowed on the Church without consideration of ethnic or cultural distinctions.

I do not believe that ethnic and cultural heritage becomes irrelevant.

I think it means that in the NT all those in Christ are sons of God (Gal 3:26) on the same footing.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one
in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs
according to the promise." (Gal 3:28-29)

I think it means that in Christ ethnic and cultural heritage is irrelevant,
that it alters nothing regarding our inheritance of the promise to Abraham.

 

[Elin]

We look forward to our City, the New Jerusalem, capital of the Israel of God. So many folks have reduced Israel to one tribe, Judah, but this is not so. We are paisers of God (Yah) in the faith of Abraham as taught by Jesus Christ.

Yes, all those in Christ are looking forward to the heavenly city (Heb 11:10, 16),
the wife and bride of the Lamb (Rev 21:9), Jesus Christ (Jn 1:29),
the New Jerusalem (Rev 21:10).

 

[MarcR]

since yahweh brought israel back together,and he knows everyone's lineage (the physical and the spiritual - everything (yes, obviously he knows) ) ., and his own voice spoke and told abraham he would bless those who bless him, and curse those who hurt him, i listen to and agree with yahweh and not man. (however much israel is his nation, he judges) (but it is utterly not recognizing what his word says from genesis to revelation to say they are just another nation of this world)


because christendom doesn't know scripture as well as the Jews do, they claim to be believers in the one true god but they don't obey him, and they have murdered the Jews worldwide practically always.
"christendom"kingdom is not yahweh's kingdom.
"christendom" is not the ekklesia on earth, as "christendom" has been murdering the ekklesia since almost the beginning or even before then of the worldly counterfeit.



the 'church'/ "christendom" was tragically hurt by hellenization/ greek ways of idolatry and society and life and sometimes even the language (although yahweh may or may not have used some of the greek language to guard his word for his purpose; as yahweh is well able to do).
everyone practically today has been raised in a culture world society (even 'churches') that have been
living lies since , well, always (for all practical purposes).
everyone practically today has been raised in deception(in the world and in the world church) wittingly or unwittingly.
most of the worlds "christendom" is not honoring yahweh, as is obvious to the ekklesia, as the
ekklesia (the faithful gathering/assembly of followers of yahshua immersed in his name striving to be living the way he says to in all things, living his life and not our own ("and the life that i now live i live by faith in the son of yahweh who loved me and gave himself for me" i.e. again, not in our own power in any way, but fully submitting and obeying everything yahweh says with all of our heart and souls and minds in christ jesus)

Jeff_56,

If by christendom, you are attempting to differentiate between that which calls itself Christian and that which attempts to live and love in obedience to Christ; then I agree with you. If you are trying to ascribe some sort of moral superiority to Messianic believers over believers without Jewish heritage then I emphatically disagree.

 

[JaumeJ]

Perhaps some clarification lies in Romans?



Rom 3:29
Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

Rom 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.


Rom 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

I know God will justify even the ungodly if it is His well, so trying to figure out who will be or will not be saved is kind of moot for those who believe Him. His ways are not our ways, and this we all mut keep in mind always.

 

[Elin]

Perhaps some clarification lies in Romans?

Rom 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Yes, grace establishes the law, because

no one can meet the requirements necessary to become righteous under the law (Ro 3:20),
and it curses all who don't (Dt 7:26, Gal 3:10),

so that by the Law all men are justly cursed to damnation.

There is only one righteousness that can meet the requirements of the law,

it is a righteousness from God apart from the Law (Ro 3:21); i.e., the righteousness of Jesus Christ
(Ro 5:19, 21),

a gift from God (Ro 3:21; 5:17), through faith (Ro 3:28), given to meet the requirements of the Law.

Since the requirements of the Law have now been fully met in us (not by us), (Ro 8:4)

we are no longer under/subject to the law (1Co 9:20; Gal 3:25, 4:21, 5:18; Ro 7:6)

but instead are under/subject to the grace of Christ (Ro 3:24, 4:16, 5:21, 6:14-15; Tit 2:11).

So the law is established by Christ's meeting its requirements for us,

so that now through faith we are righteous according to it.

And since our faith in Jesus Christ gives us righteousness (Ro 5:17, 3:21),

the law is no longer necessary for our righteousness and has, therefore, been set aside (Heb 7:18-19)

because it was weak and useless to make us righteous.

Grace has established the law by fulfilling it, making it unnecessary and, therefore, setting it aside
(Heb 7:18-19).

 

[prodigal]

hi all, you know when i look at calvanism and armenianism there seems to be truth in both sides and often i think its when we go to extremeties that it all falls apart Now in many respects the bible says there is no longer a reconised difference between gods people, but at the same time the bible suggest there is a plan for a remnant of the ot hebrew race So could there be truth in both views i wonder. i have a daughter and we are not getting along to great at the moment, i have 2 adopted children and we get on great, now do i love my real daughter less, of course not, do i love my adopted children more.. not at all, will there always be room in my heart to have a deep relationship with her when we once again renew our relationship, of course.
my great grandfather had to change his name from soloman because of the persecution, so theres no hate to jews from me, but like many i dont like it when people cant seperate a violent political regime from a peoples that want to live in peace and love, and if you speak against this regime your called anti semetic.