My friends and I will go in stores or restaraunts and talk amongst ourselves about the deity of Christ, the gospel, the reality of Hell and it's torments, the resurrection, things of God, and be nice and friendly to everybody whenever we talk to others, and then pass out gospel tracts to all who will take them and invite them to church. Our church grew in this town when the other similar churches said it could not be done, not possible, and we are still growing and seeing more and more and more getting saved and baptized and becoming disciples. We are the only truly growing church in this county, and people in the communities say the only people they hear talking about God are people from our church. It's sad the chuches have compromised to be like worldly entertainers and have pretty much resigned the power of God that changes lives and can clean up our land.
any real Christians who despise ungodly music like rock, country, rap, CCM?
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Not bad, but I can't compromise in allowing any ungodly music to play in my house. When we allow ourselves to be entertained by people who made music only to glorify themselves or glorify sin, it is sin. The Bible says many times we are supposed to love the Lord with all our strenght and all of our mind. That means bringing every thought into subjection of Christ. We are not supposed to be promoting or supporting ungodly music if we have been bought and paid for at the exceedingly high price of the blood of the Son of God. He wants to own us completely and give us all things for His glory, not for the glory of musicians who insist we are supposed to appreciate their "art". The devil if full of art and appears as an angel of light. Don't get offended to fast by these things, God is patient...think about it, pray about it, read your Bible, the Holy Spirit leads in holiness, not in compromising with glitter and glam of worldly music
If it doesn't honor and glorify Jesus specifically, in word so everybody knows it is for Him, who does it honor? A lot of musical "artists" make a lot of beautiful sounding music, but it's not like the birds singing as God ordained them to do. "Artists" who are glorifying themselves or thier own talents and neglecting to glorify their Creator are not supposed to be influencing my thoughts or feelings through their moody music or stories that have nothing to do with what God did for us when He gave Himself for us on the cross, buying us back from Hell at the high price of the blood brutally taken from Him. We are supposed to be following Him, and if we are not ready to stand in faith while we suffer persecution, we are not living godly. "if any will live godly in Christ Jesus, he will suffer persecution". Most Christians, or at least they call themselves Christians, I'm not sure I believe them, make friends with the world to try to get along so they can be fat and happy and comfortable. They are the wolves who will try to attack the real sheep who seriously trust their Saviour to lead and protect their lives even when it seems the whole world is coming down on their shoulders and they are tortured and killed like the way Muslims are doing Christians in many places around the world and the way Christians, real Christians, not orthodox who play along in the Commy sponsored and controlled churches......real christians in commy countries have been persecuted a long time and christians in the free world have grown fat and lazy and uncaring as they pass time with amusements, entertainments, and pleasures.
K
Well the first sin is admitting you listen to Justin Bieber.
Seriously though is there anything that kid hasn't done? Hes done the drugs,sex and rock and roll thing.How old is he? In his 20s yet? Burned out and used up.I dont have children but if I did Bieber would not be darkening my door.Wouldn't have it in the house.I grew up when Madonna, Micheal Jackson and Prince were popular.Never was allowed in the house but I didnt care because I listened to Christian music. I was raised on Christian music and never got much out of any other kind of music.Thats me anyway.People who are hostile or antagonistic to the title of this thead were not invited to this discussion. I'm looking for like-minded Bible believing Christians, I'm not looking for people to argue with. I've heard all the objections to the title and OP of this thread a million times, I could write them all before the antagonizers wrote them here. It's old broken record stuff, old fashioned compromising with the world in order to feel more comfortable in fear of being disliked for taking a stand for holiness.
Christians, if you really are born of the Spirit of God and Jesus llives in you, and He bought you with His blood, He owns you.
He promised that the world would hate you the same as they hated Him. Friendship with the world is enmity with God. If the world is embracing you as a "good person" when you are compromising to promote their entertainments which are idols, then something is wrong and you need to repent and take up your cross, deny yourself, and follow Jesus. There won't be any music in heaven from people or angels that is idly passing time. Everything He made and everything we do is supposed to be for His own pleasure, His own glory, His own honor, and He deserves it because He gives us life and everything good.
If you call yourself a Christian, are you reading your Bible every day? Once through completely each year is not hard. Do you love your comforts and pleasures more than your Saviour?
Again, I can tell by your first few words if you are hostile or antagonistic to the title or OP of this thread or to myself and I won't talk to you if you are. Some of you I know will remain closed minded and only a glance at your icon pic is enough for me to skip right on over your posts as I look for Christians to talk to like myself who despise unholiness in entertainments, and just because the music is beautiful does not make it holy even if it has no lyrics. Holy is for Jesus. Unholy is not for Jesus. It's not that hard to figure out.
Christians, if you really are born of the Spirit of God and Jesus llives in you, and He bought you with His blood, He owns you.
He promised that the world would hate you the same as they hated Him. Friendship with the world is enmity with God. If the world is embracing you as a "good person" when you are compromising to promote their entertainments which are idols, then something is wrong and you need to repent and take up your cross, deny yourself, and follow Jesus. There won't be any music in heaven from people or angels that is idly passing time. Everything He made and everything we do is supposed to be for His own pleasure, His own glory, His own honor, and He deserves it because He gives us life and everything good.
If you call yourself a Christian, are you reading your Bible every day? Once through completely each year is not hard. Do you love your comforts and pleasures more than your Saviour?
Again, I can tell by your first few words if you are hostile or antagonistic to the title or OP of this thread or to myself and I won't talk to you if you are. Some of you I know will remain closed minded and only a glance at your icon pic is enough for me to skip right on over your posts as I look for Christians to talk to like myself who despise unholiness in entertainments, and just because the music is beautiful does not make it holy even if it has no lyrics. Holy is for Jesus. Unholy is not for Jesus. It's not that hard to figure out.
Col 3:16-17
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Well the first sin is admitting you listen to Justin Bieber. Seriously though is there anything that kid hasn't done? Hes done the drugs,sex and rock and roll thing.How old is he? In his 20s yet? Burned out and used up.I dont have children but if I did Bieber would not be darkening my door.Wouldn't have it in the house.I grew up when Madonna, Micheal Jackson and Prince were popular.Never was allowed in the house but I didnt care because I listened to Christian music. I was raised on Christian music and never got much out of any other kind of music.Thats me anyway.
Seriously though is there anything that kid hasn't done? Hes done the drugs,sex and rock and roll thing.How old is he? In his 20s yet? Burned out and used up.I dont have children but if I did Bieber would not be darkening my door.Wouldn't have it in the house.I grew up when Madonna, Micheal Jackson and Prince were popular.Never was allowed in the house but I didnt care because I listened to Christian music. I was raised on Christian music and never got much out of any other kind of music.Thats me anyway.
K
Since he acts like a punk, wears pants that fall to his knees and show his underwear, has no talent and cannot sing, yes it is..lol.. He's NOT a role model for kids, except maybe to show them how to get inside a jail cell.. :/
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He's NOT a role model for kids, except maybe to show them how to get inside a jail cell.. :/:/
Yep Im with ya on that one. My hubby teases me because Im from Canada and so is that little brat.I said "yes and we shipped him stateside for all of you to enjoy"! lol
Or perhaps your theology is off. Especially since the overwhelming majority of evangelical Christianity disagrees with you.
Where you are overreaching here is that you cannot make a sweeping generalization of all of the music you mentioned and say that these things are true of all of it. That's a misuse of Scripture.
These are good questions for a Christian to ask himself/herself, however a "no" answer does not make them not a Christian.
The only one here who refuses to engage in discussion is you. The only close minded person here is you.
And when a person accepts Christ, they are viewed as positionally holy before God because their sin has been paid for (1 Cor. 6:11; Heb. 10:10). They are, however, also continually being sanctified as God works in their heart to make him/her more like Christ (Heb. 10:14). Sanctification is positionally instantaneous and conditionally progressive. This means there is going to be sin in every believer's life until the day they meet God in heaven.
Quit acting like you have some type of righteous authority to tell your brothers and sisters in Christ that they are not believers. Any righteousness you have comes from Christ, not from you. It is not your place to condemn others. And as long as you maintain focus on surface-level issues instead of truly getting to a heart level, you are nothing but a modern-day Pharisee. There are true believers who make country music and glorify God through it; there are people who are not believers who write and play church music. The difference is not the music, but their heart.
Music does not have to contain Christian terminology to be glorifying to God. There are a lot of ways that music can be glorifying to God that have nothing to do with lyrical content.
Jesus did not come to make bad people good, but to make dead people alive. Your theology, especially as it pertains to music, does not reflect that, and I would encourage you to re-examine it.
Where you are overreaching here is that you cannot make a sweeping generalization of all of the music you mentioned and say that these things are true of all of it. That's a misuse of Scripture.
These are good questions for a Christian to ask himself/herself, however a "no" answer does not make them not a Christian.
The only one here who refuses to engage in discussion is you. The only close minded person here is you.
And when a person accepts Christ, they are viewed as positionally holy before God because their sin has been paid for (1 Cor. 6:11; Heb. 10:10). They are, however, also continually being sanctified as God works in their heart to make him/her more like Christ (Heb. 10:14). Sanctification is positionally instantaneous and conditionally progressive. This means there is going to be sin in every believer's life until the day they meet God in heaven.
Quit acting like you have some type of righteous authority to tell your brothers and sisters in Christ that they are not believers. Any righteousness you have comes from Christ, not from you. It is not your place to condemn others. And as long as you maintain focus on surface-level issues instead of truly getting to a heart level, you are nothing but a modern-day Pharisee. There are true believers who make country music and glorify God through it; there are people who are not believers who write and play church music. The difference is not the music, but their heart.
Music does not have to contain Christian terminology to be glorifying to God. There are a lot of ways that music can be glorifying to God that have nothing to do with lyrical content.
Jesus did not come to make bad people good, but to make dead people alive. Your theology, especially as it pertains to music, does not reflect that, and I would encourage you to re-examine it.
Matthew 15:10-20
10 And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand:11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”12 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”13 He answered, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up.14 Let them alone; they are blind guides.[c] And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”15 But Peter said to him, “Explain the parable to us.”16 And he said, “Are you also still without understanding?17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled?[d]18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person.19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
To spell it out, listening to [insert music genre here] is eating with unwashed hands. It's a "rule" that you have read into the Bible that is not really there. It's what flows from the heart that reveals the sinfulness of a person, or lack thereof, not their musical preferences. You will know them by their fruits, not their iTunes playlist.
10 And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand:11 it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”12 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”13 He answered, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up.14 Let them alone; they are blind guides.[c] And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”15 But Peter said to him, “Explain the parable to us.”16 And he said, “Are you also still without understanding?17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled?[d]18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person.19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”
To spell it out, listening to [insert music genre here] is eating with unwashed hands. It's a "rule" that you have read into the Bible that is not really there. It's what flows from the heart that reveals the sinfulness of a person, or lack thereof, not their musical preferences. You will know them by their fruits, not their iTunes playlist.
I see some trying to make Bible based arguments against the title of the thread and the OP. I don't need to read those posts because I studied it in college. I wrote term papers and major assigments supporting arguments against the thread title and agaisnt the OP and agaisnt what I am saying regarding holiness in what we allow to amuse or entertain us as blood bought believers. Only a glance is needed for me to know what christians who actually may be good godly christians, like the men who led the excellent Bible college I attended taught me to say in college...and I can say it all in much more detail and with much better arguements than anybody who is opposed to the title and OP of this thread....and I was wrong and I would be wrong if I still were to take that stand in compromising holiness for friendship with the world in indulgences of worldly entertaiments. I'm not going to engage any antagonizers or opposers to this thread in direct conversation, but I will tell you how I know you are wrong without reading the things you are saying which I used to say myself in much more eloquent fashion with much more scholarly, though misguided, biblical support.
And while it would be wonderful to find a helpmeet to help me serve the Lord in this world, there's no way I'm going to be led along for compromised by anybody who calls themselves a sister but does not take a strong postion in opposition to the things of the world. Most Christians today don't even know what worldliness is. If you don't know the difference between worldly music and music which edifies in the faith of our Saviour and honors him, holy music vs. worldly music, we won't get along and I'm not going to engage in direct conversation with you becaue it will be useless arguing.
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