Socialism among Jesus' disciples

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I am all for socialism. It means the poor do not have to go hungry; the rich can stay rich, but help the poor; and medical care for everyone. A job for everyone would be nice too, in a perfect world.

To name only a few things. Just coming from the middle in Canada. The US and the two party capitalist system is not working well, so try not to criticize countries which have a "mixed" economy, which means both capitalism and socialism, and it is working very, very well. As in, everyone has health care, everyone is fed, housed and clothed, and the debt is being paid down. And the rich are doing very nicely, too!
Canada's socialism is successful because they are protecte by US Military might which Canada cannot afford
 
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Capitalism, or free market is of course the best economic system. It also requires responsible citizens. What we are today, has nothing to do with the Capitalism of yesterday and the founding of this nation. Hopelessly corrupt Capitalism is not Capitalism. This nation flourished and blossomed into one of the greatest nations on earth under Capitalism, while its citizens remained personally responsible with real mostly "Christian" moral fiber.
 
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Canada's socialism is successful because they are protecte by US Military might which Canada cannot afford
To be sure, it is a great boost to an economy to have no major threat from enemies and therefore no military expenses due to a very powerful and friendly neighbor. Being neighbors to the USA has benefited Cananda in more way than just this though.
 
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Actually, not in Canada. Our taxation system is very fair. The rich have to pay a much higher tax rate, than lower income people. It's called a graduated taxation system, and it means the poor pay nothing, the middle pays a bit, and the rich pay a lot.

Step outside of America, and learn that other countries have figured out some very important things about how to run a country well.

Canada should be paying taxes to the US.to cover their proportionate share of US military protection. Canada is freeloading off the US
 
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Socialism is the perfect government model.

If everyone involved in it is a perfect Christian.

We would all be able to rely on the hard work and good intentions of everyone else.

As it is now, all we can rely on is the greed and corruption of politicians and corporations.
The illustration of socialism among Jesus' disciples in John 12:1-6 answers you on this.
 
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Reading the OP, I think everyone totally missed the point of this thread....lol.

Reading verse 8 of the same chapter shows why most "isms" will not work.
 
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Canada should be paying taxes to the US.to cover their proportionate share of US military protection. Canada is freeloading off the US

Sorry cant agree on this one.The US is a superpower that is their position in the world.Canada is under the Queen,she has to approve whatever is done and decisions in the country.Canada is part of the British Commonwealth.When the Brits go to war Canada backs them.As a superpower the US stands alone.
 

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Reading the OP, I think everyone totally missed the point of this thread....lol.

Reading verse 8 of the same chapter shows why most "isms" will not work.
LOL

Reading the OP I have to concur.
 
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Sorry cant agree on this one.The US is a superpower that is their position in the world.Canada is under the Queen,she has to approve whatever is done and decisions in the country.Canada is part of the British Commonwealth.When the Brits go to war Canada backs them.As a superpower the US stands alone.

no biggie.....the OP is about the basic tennant of socialism being theft by the middleman who pretends to care for the poor when in reality they are only thieves. Those middlemen are Judases to the Church of Jesus Christ, and they talk a slick talk about Jesus being all about caring for the poor instead of what He is really about which is being God the Creator who died to be the Saviour of all who can be saved from Hell.

I really don't care that much about politics, Jesus is going to rule the world from Mt. Zion, and as far as I know there is not one govt in the world which will not be abolished by Him because of their corruption.
 
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Reading the OP, I think everyone totally missed the point of this thread....lol.

Reading verse 8 of the same chapter shows why most "isms" will not work.

Yes, I've read through most of the posts and see little indication that anybody read the focal passage of the OP.
 

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Canada's socialism is successful because they are protecte by US Military might which Canada cannot afford
Actually, we have our own army, and our own Northern Defense line.

However, what really helps us is our diplomacy. We tend to negotiate first, then broker peace talks.

That is why our soldiers are mainly on peace-keeping tours of duty. Because we are not a violent, aggressive military power.

As for the US, you take our water, power, and raw resources. It leaves us kind of third world, but better than having the US invade Canada.

Wait.... your media has invaded Canada, and made us into consumers and humanists. That is a sad legacy for the US to leave on another friendly country!
 

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Sorry cant agree on this one.The US is a superpower that is their position in the world.Canada is under the Queen,she has to approve whatever is done and decisions in the country.Canada is part of the British Commonwealth.When the Brits go to war Canada backs them.As a superpower the US stands alone.
Thanks for defending Canadians, but our Constitution was repatriated in 1982. The Canada Act brought the constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms back to Canada. The Queen's last act was to sign this act.

We run our own show now. As a member of the British Commonwealth, we can participate in the Commonwealth Games, and yes, we send some money to support our figure head, the Queen, represented by the Governor General.

She has absolutely no rights, and we can go to war, as we want, and basically do our own thing. We did not go to war in the Falkland Islands when Britain did, and we are independently fighting in Afghanistan right now. Not so in WWI and WWII, we were under England's rule, but that is the fact now. And yes, we can even amend our own constitution, without regards to the Queen of England.

The Constitution

Constitution Act, 1982 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Yes, I've read through most of the posts and see little indication that anybody read the focal passage of the OP.
That's what it is looking like. I saw the verse mentioned and knew exactly where you were going with that. Also, I mention to people that people can attempt to lean on the government to take care of the poor but Jesus said in verse 8 that the poor will be with us always. Hard to eradicate something isms that Christ said will be there regardless.
 
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yep...all isms are religious systems and all religious systems are corrupt because of their self-justifying ways.

Socialism is a religion in which the believer thinks they are justified because they are caring for the poor, so they are entitled to have their hands in the money bag to line their own posckets as they spread the wealth around after they twist people's arms to get them to put money in the bag for distribution.

But again, I want the focus to go past this. There is plenty of corruption at all levels, and Jesus is going to turn all corrupt governments upside down and inside out and nobody is going to have their hands in the cookie jar. He's coming to rule the world with ten thousands of His saints.

The poor ye always have with you....no matter how much money Judases coerce people to put in the money back so they can pass some around as they line thier pockets with the rest, the poor will remain with us. It's much better to be poor in this world and going home to heaven where the streets will be paved with gold than it is to be rich in this world and going home to Hell where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched.


John 12:1-8
 
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That's what it is looking like. I saw the verse mentioned and knew exactly where you were going with that. Also, I mention to people that people can attempt to lean on the government to take care of the poor but Jesus said in verse 8 that the poor will be with us always. Hard to eradicate something isms that Christ said will be there regardless.
Yeah...Government is trying to play God when they become socialist, and the "publc employees" become Judases...they'll stab the Christians in the back passing laws against qouting the Bible regarding sin in any way that makes anybody feel uncomfortable about their ungodly behavior.....

And the poor are still poor, even if you give them food and housing they are still poor depending on handouts, but spared the embarassment of begging by the professional Judases who extort money from those who earned it....
and I'm not giving a pass to any rich thief, they are the same as the Judases...a thief if a thief.

Jesus is coming back and He will rule against and stop all the thieves. Then the poor will be properly cared for, and they won't be allowed to buy drugs, alcohol and tobacco any more...and they won't be playing CCM and country and rock music in public, and maybe not in private.....and there won't be any more laws endorsing or protecting sodomy
 
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Thanks for defending Canadians, but our Constitution was repatriated in 1982. The Canada Act brought the constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms back to Canada. The Queen's last act was to sign this act.

We run our own show now. As a member of the British Commonwealth, we can participate in the Commonwealth Games, and yes, we send some money to support our figure head, the Queen, represented by the Governor General.

She has absolutely no rights, and we can go to war, as we want, and basically do our own thing. We did not go to war in the Falkland Islands when Britain did, and we are independently fighting in Afghanistan right now. Not so in WWI and WWII, we were under England's rule, but that is the fact now. And yes, we can even amend our own constitution, without regards to the Queen of England.

The Constitution

Constitution Act, 1982 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The USA should take over canada and make them pay their fair share of support for the US miltary. Each province of Canada should become a State of the United States of America and quit acting like they are so high and mighty like screaming kids riding on their parents shoulders, sitting there on top of the USA where the whole world knows they have to mess with the USA if they mess with Canada.
 
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tempted to poke fun at the strenth of Canada their British commonwealth pride, but that's not important....USA, Canada, Great Britian....all corrupt govts, all of them......and all of them are going to be thrown down under the feet of Jesus Christ when He rules the world from Mt. Zion. They'e all Judases, all in line with the spirit of anti-christ, all will support the Anti-Christ Son of Perdition as their new world leader..Armageddon will be the doom of many of them
 
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To my Canadian friends, take it is up there.....I love Canada, thank God it's not another Mexico up there.

To my Mexican friends....take it easy down there, Jesus is coming back soon and He will fix everything for you if you trust Him.

To my American friends....don't forget to thank a veteran.
 
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And above all, thank God for the unspeakable gift of His Son who paid for our sins with His own blood.
 
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I am all for socialism. It means the poor do not have to go hungry; the rich can stay rich, but help the poor; and medical care for everyone. A job for everyone would be nice too, in a perfect world.

To name only a few things. Just coming from the middle in Canada. The US and the two party capitalist system is not working well, so try not to criticize countries which have a "mixed" economy, which means both capitalism and socialism, and it is working very, very well. As in, everyone has health care, everyone is fed, housed and clothed, and the debt is being paid down. And the rich are doing very nicely, too!
While the world is owned by the devil and every system is corrupt in some way. Socialistic countries do have good benefits for it's peoples. Here is a list of the top countries and a quick breakdown of some of their benefits to it's citizens.

Top 10 Most Socialist Countries in the World - Peerform BlogPeerform | Peer to Peer Lending Blog

However, again, these benefits pale in comparison to the kingdom Jesus Christ will set up in the coming future; And anyone can be a citizen of His coming Kingdom if they repent and accept Him as His Savior. It will be a perfect system with no flaws whatsoever. For Christ who is God will be our King and ruler (As you know).
 
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