What law is written on the heart?
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See the law is good, holy and Just. its not bad but it became death to us because we broke it. That includes the Sabbath.
When that same Good, holy , Just law is in our hearts we are empowered by Gods spirit to now walk in those very laws we used to break. that is salvation fromsin in Christ.
The reason the Sabbath is not on yourheart is you refuse to let God put it there by refusing to accept it is sin inthe fristplace to break it. You don't see your need as you should.
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God does not force but you refuse to acknowledge that not keeping the Sabbath is sin. You reject the law of God as a reprover of sin and thus you reject Gods writing it on your heart.
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You said"Let me help you out here. No Christian minister I have ever known of heard of would believe aperson could be a Christian if they rejected the law of God as a reprove ofsin, and thus rejected God's writing of it on their heart. I am sure no SDAminister would believe it either."
IN this you have answered correctly.
See the law is good, holy and Just. its not bad but it became death to us because we broke it. That includes the Sabbath.
When that same Good, holy , Just law is in our hearts we are empowered by Gods spirit to now walk in those very laws we used to break. that is salvation fromsin in Christ.
The reason the Sabbath is not on yourheart is you refuse to let God put it there by refusing to accept it is sin inthe fristplace to break it. You don't see your need as you should.
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God does not force but you refuse to acknowledge that not keeping the Sabbath is sin. You reject the law of God as a reprover of sin and thus you reject Gods writing it on your heart.
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You said"Let me help you out here. No Christian minister I have ever known of heard of would believe aperson could be a Christian if they rejected the law of God as a reprove ofsin, and thus rejected God's writing of it on their heart. I am sure no SDAminister would believe it either."
IN this you have answered correctly.
How many covenants do you believe there are?
Can we not rely on the NIV, is it unsafe?
I believe a time is coming when all of Physical Israel will accept Christ as their Savior and be under the new covenant. At the moment only a remnant accept it, but it is the same covenant the Christian is now under.
I can only repeat. A Christian is not under a law of righteousness. This means Christ died for all their sins, past, present and future. In order for that to be the case, the Christian must be supernaturally changed/born again, otherwise they could view the covenant as a licence to sin.
Jesus said:
Ye MUST be born again. It is not an option, it is pivotal
Can we not rely on the NIV, is it unsafe?
I believe a time is coming when all of Physical Israel will accept Christ as their Savior and be under the new covenant. At the moment only a remnant accept it, but it is the same covenant the Christian is now under.
I can only repeat. A Christian is not under a law of righteousness. This means Christ died for all their sins, past, present and future. In order for that to be the case, the Christian must be supernaturally changed/born again, otherwise they could view the covenant as a licence to sin.
Jesus said:
Ye MUST be born again. It is not an option, it is pivotal
Also Paul wrote to the Corinthians:
You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3
This would strongly indicate Paul believed the law was already transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts, it does not seem he viewed it will happen in the future
You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3
This would strongly indicate Paul believed the law was already transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts, it does not seem he viewed it will happen in the future
I need time to frame my response to your question; but the short answer is not exactly..
I made 2 points and i believe that the second is my best case for partial fulfillment.
1) I will put my law in their inward parts If the Law were already written on our hearts we would no longer be sinning and repenting.
2) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD We are still called to evangelize and disciple the lost
I made 2 points and i believe that the second is my best case for partial fulfillment.
1) I will put my law in their inward parts If the Law were already written on our hearts we would no longer be sinning and repenting.
2) And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD We are still called to evangelize and disciple the lost
yet here are your words, "Let me help you out here. No Christian minister I have ever known of heard of would believe aperson could be a Christian if they rejected the law of God as a reprove ofsin, and thus rejected God's writing of it on their heart. I am sure no SDAminister would believe it either."
But do you not reject the Sabbath which is part of that very law? so you reject it at least partially as a reprover of sin.
But do you not reject the Sabbath which is part of that very law? so you reject it at least partially as a reprover of sin.
I am placing you on ignore gotime. It is one thing to end up in a muddle, quite another it seems to me to then try and defend the muddle by any means possible, which just exasperates the muddle. I don't feel, in the circumstances future debate between us could be of any benefit. In my opinion you need to come into the fullness of being born again, at the moment you are not. You are dominated by the literal letter in my view, and have left little room for the Spirit to work
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I don't agree that if the law is placed in our most inward parts we would no longer be sinning and repenting. We are born again in our hearts, but not in our flesh. The true battle is spirit against flesh, and no matter how much we in our hearts want to obey we never perfectly will because we live in a body of flesh
Concerning point 2, I do agree that refers specifically to Israel. Every one of them will know the Lord from the least to the greatest
Concerning point 2, I do agree that refers specifically to Israel. Every one of them will know the Lord from the least to the greatest
Ex 25:20
20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
KJV
The Hebrew word סֹכְכִ֤ים translated covering is the Greek word ἰλασμὸν in the Septuigent.
The same Greek word ἰλασμὸν is translated as propitiation in:
1 Jn 4:10
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
KJV
I believe Jesus (or His sacrifice) covers our sin from God's sight until the Law is indeed written on our hearts.
20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
KJV
The Hebrew word סֹכְכִ֤ים translated covering is the Greek word ἰλασμὸν in the Septuigent.
The same Greek word ἰλασμὸν is translated as propitiation in:
1 Jn 4:10
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
KJV
I believe Jesus (or His sacrifice) covers our sin from God's sight until the Law is indeed written on our hearts.
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If the law is not written on our hearts and placed on our minds, alongside our sins and lawless deeds being remembered no more. Why can the Christian not view the new covenant as a licence to sin? Christ paid the price of all their sin, past, present and future. Something supernatural must happen in the believer to stop them having such a licence. If their heart is not changed into one that wants to obey, what is to stop them disobeying? Jesus died for all their sins.
And if the heart is changed, how is it changed, if not by God putting the desire in the convert to obey him. How can that happen unless spiritually the law he requires them to keep is in their most inward parts, bringing them from their heart to want to obey
If you in your heart want to obey, you cannot at the same time wilfully, without conscience disobey. You can wilfully disobey, for ypou live in a body of flesh and we do not at all times perfectly follow after the Spirit, but you cannot wilfully disobey without conscience, that is not possible. And that conscience will hurt you until you follow after the spirit in that particular regard. That to me is the safety valve of grace, it stops the licence to sin for the believer
And if the heart is changed, how is it changed, if not by God putting the desire in the convert to obey him. How can that happen unless spiritually the law he requires them to keep is in their most inward parts, bringing them from their heart to want to obey
If you in your heart want to obey, you cannot at the same time wilfully, without conscience disobey. You can wilfully disobey, for ypou live in a body of flesh and we do not at all times perfectly follow after the Spirit, but you cannot wilfully disobey without conscience, that is not possible. And that conscience will hurt you until you follow after the spirit in that particular regard. That to me is the safety valve of grace, it stops the licence to sin for the believer
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That always reminded me of this
1 Cr 9:1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
Are YE not MY work in the Lord, 1 Cr 9:2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
And there ye are the seal of his apostleship
1 Cr 9:1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
Are YE not MY work in the Lord, 1 Cr 9:2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
And there ye are the seal of his apostleship