Like a Wrecking Ball

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didymos

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[SUB]Netanyaha seems to think Israel doesn't need the U.S. anymore. Maybe it would be good thing if the alliance was broken (which I doubt will ever happen, since this is only an election stunt by Bibi) to see if Israel can fend for itself. That is, if it can truly stand with 'only' the help of God. But then a lot has to change in the higly secularized state nation state of Israel for God to be its true ally (again). As it is now Israel will fall without the help of the U.S.

Netanyahu insists on wrecking Israel's ties with United States

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[SUB]Instead of respecting the American president and refraining from intervention in his domestic and foreign policy, Netanyahu is insisting on embarrassing Barack Obama in his home court.[/SUB]

[SUB]For three and a half decades, ever since the peace agreement with Egypt was signed, Israel has enjoyed strategic security as well as diplomatic and economic cooperation with the United States. But this important arrangement, which worked well as long as each side knew its role in the equation, is liable to be gravely impaired by Benjamin Netanyahu’s actions.

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[SUB] It seems the Israeli prime minister, due primarily to electoral considerations, is determined to act like a wrecking ball. On the eve of Israel’s election, Netanyahu is insisting on damaging Israel’s most important relationship. His grip on power is shaky, and he’s acting like someone who has nothing to lose.
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[SUB] Instead of respecting the American president and refraining from intervention in his domestic and foreign policy, Netanyahu is insisting on embarrassing Barack Obama in his home court. He will challenge Obama on Capitol Hill and urge the president’s political opponents to disrupt his diplomacy with Iran, just so that he can portray himself as the “savior of the nation” back home and please his master, American billionaire Sheldon Adelson, an avid supporter of both Netanyahu and the Republicans.
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[SUB] Warnings were sounded from the moment Speaker of the House John Boehner, together with Netanyahu and his ambassador to Washington, Ron Dermer, concocted this anti-Obama address to a joint session of Congress, and these warnings are coming true every day.
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[SUB] U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and National Security Advisor Susan Rice could not have been clearer about Netanyahu’s presumption and its destructive impact, both on the substance of the Iranian issue and on exacerbating America’s domestic political disputes between Republicans and Democrats.
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[SUB] If Netanyahu were a responsible leader, he would never have gone so low as to engage in a frontal confrontation with the U.S. president. [/SUB]
[SUB] Instead, he would have made sure to forge an alliance of interests with Obama based on mutual understandings. Then, surely, he would have been able to exert significant influence over the negotiations with Iran, whereas his speech isn’t expected to have any influence at all, aside from destroying Israel’s relationship with the United States...
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[SUB]Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.644523#!


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Netanyahu is not wrecking my alliance with his visit. My servants invited Netanyahu. He shall be my guest and I will hear him.
 

p_rehbein

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You know, I understand, and even accept, that we here in the US must endure the incessant barrage of Political campaign commercials/messages/stories during an election cycle. After all, such is the nature of the beast. But, seriously, do we have to be subjected to the same stuff because another Nation is having their elections?
 
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Iran does not matter. The serfs of Europe's opinions do not matter. That slave Obama's opinion does not matter. That slave Boehner's opinion does not matter. How Netanyahu behaves when he is home does not matter.

A guest is a guest. Netanyahu was given an invitation. Netanyahu is now my guest, not Obama's, and not Boehner's. I will hear him.
 
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prodigal

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Iran does not matter. The serfs of Europe's opinions do not matter. That slave Obama's opinion does not matter. That slave Boehner's opinion does not matter. How Netanyahu behaves when he is home does not matter.

A guest is a guest. Netanyahu was given an invitation. Netanyahu is now my guest, not Obama's, and not Boehner's. I will hear him.
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There is only one Messiah and he is Jesus.

What you do not understand is the way of kings. Of this I do not hold you in fault. In your country to be a citizen is to be a serf. In my country by birth I am a king. In your country the government serves the queen as it should. In my country the government serves the kings as it should.

King logic is simple, just read the Bible. A guest must be treated well, especially if they are invited. A guest invited to speak in my court will be heard.
 

Agricola

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[SUB]Netanyaha seems to think Israel doesn't need the U.S. anymore. Maybe it would be good thing if the alliance was broken (which I doubt will ever happen, since this is only an election stunt by Bibi) to see if Israel can fend for itself. That is, if it can truly stand with 'only' the help of God. But then a lot has to change in the higly secularized state nation state of Israel for God to be its true ally (again). As it is now Israel will fall without the help of the U.S.[/SUB][SUB]

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Do you know what the US does for Israel? What exactly is this support the US gives to Israel? Israel is not a weak nation that will fall without US support
 
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Do you know what the US does for Israel? What exactly is this support the US gives to Israel? Israel is not a weak nation that will fall without US support
America supplies Israel with much of its military equipment, for instance the Iron Dome systems that were used recently to stop mortars launched by Hamas in the recent Gaza conflict. America also has deep financial ties with Israel, long held political ties with Israel, and very simply, personal ties in that America is also home to one of the biggest jewish communities outside of Israel.

I do agree with you though, Israel is not a weak nation. They have never needed America's direct support to fend off muslim aggression. Nevertheless America should continue to aid Israel. Israel's requests of America have never been unreasonable.
 
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kaylagrl

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[SUB]Netanyaha seems to think Israel doesn't need the U.S. anymore. Maybe it would be good thing if the alliance was broken (which I doubt will ever happen, since this is only an election stunt by Bibi) to see if Israel can fend for itself. That is, if it can truly stand with 'only' the help of God. But then a lot has to change in the higly secularized state nation state of Israel for God to be its true ally (again). As it is now Israel will fall without the help of the U.S.

Netanyahu insists on wrecking Israel's ties with United States

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[SUB]Instead of respecting the American president and refraining from intervention in his domestic and foreign policy, Netanyahu is insisting on embarrassing Barack Obama in his home court.[/SUB]

[SUB]For three and a half decades, ever since the peace agreement with Egypt was signed, Israel has enjoyed strategic security as well as diplomatic and economic cooperation with the United States. But this important arrangement, which worked well as long as each side knew its role in the equation, is liable to be gravely impaired by Benjamin Netanyahu’s actions.

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[SUB] It seems the Israeli prime minister, due primarily to electoral considerations, is determined to act like a wrecking ball. On the eve of Israel’s election, Netanyahu is insisting on damaging Israel’s most important relationship. His grip on power is shaky, and he’s acting like someone who has nothing to lose.
[/SUB]

[SUB] Instead of respecting the American president and refraining from intervention in his domestic and foreign policy, Netanyahu is insisting on embarrassing Barack Obama in his home court. He will challenge Obama on Capitol Hill and urge the president’s political opponents to disrupt his diplomacy with Iran, just so that he can portray himself as the “savior of the nation” back home and please his master, American billionaire Sheldon Adelson, an avid supporter of both Netanyahu and the Republicans.
[/SUB]

[SUB] Warnings were sounded from the moment Speaker of the House John Boehner, together with Netanyahu and his ambassador to Washington, Ron Dermer, concocted this anti-Obama address to a joint session of Congress, and these warnings are coming true every day.
[/SUB]

[SUB] U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and National Security Advisor Susan Rice could not have been clearer about Netanyahu’s presumption and its destructive impact, both on the substance of the Iranian issue and on exacerbating America’s domestic political disputes between Republicans and Democrats.
[/SUB]

[SUB] If Netanyahu were a responsible leader, he would never have gone so low as to engage in a frontal confrontation with the U.S. president. [/SUB]
[SUB] Instead, he would have made sure to forge an alliance of interests with Obama based on mutual understandings. Then, surely, he would have been able to exert significant influence over the negotiations with Iran, whereas his speech isn’t expected to have any influence at all, aside from destroying Israel’s relationship with the United States...
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[SUB]Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.644523#!


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" As it is now Israel will fall without the help of the U.S" I wouldn't count on it.Any country the size of Israel who took on 5 countries the day after birth has God backing them up.
 
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There is only one Messiah and he is Jesus.

What you do not understand is the way of kings. Of this I do not hold you in fault. In your country to be a citizen is to be a serf. In my country by birth I am a king. In your country the government serves the queen as it should. In my country the government serves the kings as it should.

King logic is simple, just read the Bible. A guest must be treated well, especially if they are invited. A guest invited to speak in my court will be heard.
Let me use another example to show you my reasonings here for ya brother prodigal, for I do not hold nothing against you.

Say the shoe was on the other foot and Ali Khamenei was invited to speak before me. I would maintain the same position.

A guest, especially one invited, must be treated well guestly, and I would hear him out.
 
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prodigal

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Let me use another example to show you my reasonings here for ya brother prodigal, for I do not hold nothing against you.

Say the shoe was on the other foot and Ali Khamenei was invited to speak before me. I would maintain the same position.

A guest, especially one invited, must be treated well guestly, and I would hear him out.
what would i know, i'm just a serf by your reconing. if only i had the freedoms and was edumecated like you. maybe i would hold your views.

A serf is a person who is forced to work on a plot of land, especially during the medieval period when Europe practiced feudalism, when a few lords owned all the land and everyone else had to toil on it.


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what would i know, i'm just a serf by your reconing.

A serf is a person who is forced to work on a plot of land, especially during the medieval period when Europe practiced feudalism, when a few lords owned all the land and everyone else had to toil on it.
Have I said you know nothing? I will hear you and what you know.

Aye that is the way of serfs indeed. Elizabeth owns Britain, not you and not I. All is slavery, even kings are slaves, they merely have different duties.
 
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didymos

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" As it is now Israel will fall without the help of the U.S" I wouldn't count on it.Any country the size of Israel who took on 5 countries the day after birth has God backing them up.
Again, I would love to see that hypothesis put to test. You sure God loves THIS Israel enough to save it when the west doesn't support it anymore? Personally I doubt it.
 
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Again, I would love to see that hypothesis put to test. You sure God loves THIS Israel enough to save it when the west doesn't support it anymore? Personally I doubt it.
He has on many occasions before and the West did not intervene. Even against what ought to be insurmountable odds.

EDIT: That is to say, what would seem worldly to be insurmountable odds. Of course though, with God on your side no one can stand against you.
 
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kaylagrl

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Again, I would love to see that hypothesis put to test. You sure God loves THIS Israel enough to save it when the west doesn't support it anymore? Personally I doubt it.

Yes,I am absolutely sure.
 
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Lol exactly what does Israel need the U.S. for again? The U.S. doesn't protect Israel (remember Gaza?), it doesn't stand in Israel's corner in terms of political issues (remember Gaza?) Israel has a crazy military, good soil, and a thriving economy. The U.S. is becoming a country of Atheistic foundation and Marxist ideals. If Israel says the U.S. isn't its ally I would respect it even more than I already do, because up to now the state of U.S. and Israel's relationship has been the equivalent of a "it's complicated" facebook relationship status
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Again, I would love to see that hypothesis put to test. You sure God loves THIS Israel enough to save it when the west doesn't support it anymore? Personally I doubt it.
God doesn't care what the U.S. does in relationship to His love for Israel.
 

Agricola

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I assume this is the link you were going for United States foreign aid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes the US declares a huge amount of funds to Israel, but in reality not much of it actully goes to Israel, it is pumped back into US defence contractors. The money given to Israel should really be classed as defence research. It is only "given" to Israel as they field test new technology in real life combat situations, something the US can not do. just look at the economic aid figure, its nothing!