Why do many people interpret bible in many ways

[Jeff_56]

I reported the post as heresy. Perhaps all who agree should do likewise.

good and thank you. i did as soon as i saw that post, even before replying to it, and several other posts by it and by others promoting the heresy with subterfuge (they seem to be trying to get around the rules, or not get noticed)....

i didn't know anyone else did or was reporting the posts of heresy, but it's a very good idea.

shalom in yahshua !

 

[mikeuk]

I reported the post as heresy. Perhaps all who agree should do likewise.

Since what I said is facts, and quoting Luther himself in later life he despaired of how the monster he created went out of control, it is hardly heresy however uncomfortable reading it is. It is true. Look it up.

And sola scriptura is unsupportable logically/ biblically or historically. If you can defend it give me the arguments. But how can a book that purports to be the sole conveyor of truth, ommit the most fundamental truth - that the bible is the sole truth? It does not make sense. It fails in simple logic. The bible is inspired for sure. But not the only truth. Scripture says it. The "pillar and foundation of truth is the church!"


And I think you as well as Jeff would do better to attack the head pastor of the thread I related "heartbreaking", rather than attacking me, showing the disgraceful reasons some of these sects fracture. I cannot think a majority of the congregation agree with the pastor and the bible certainly does not.

And yes it angers me - that such as Jeff can waste his life on a hate mantra against an organisation he knows nothing about, whilst ignoring real problems in how denominations generally are giving in to populist and wordly demands.

You can criticise RCC as much as you like, but at least it has not given in to popular pressure on pro life issues (contraception/abortion) or homosexuality, its doctrine unchanged in millenia on those issues - as indeed is the bible.

The reality is the reason for division is as Luther said, everyone has taken it upon themselves to believe their version of doctrine is true.
Because of lack of authority. My suggestion is you find a solution to the problems, rather than pretend they do not exist. I tire for example of the rudeness on the average OSAS thread, and that is an all protestant affair. Several interpretations all mutually exclusive, all believeing theirs is true. Nothing to do with RCC it is a protestant problem.

 

[Jeff_56]

so you think heresy is better than truth? I reported that, as will others who believe truth is more important than heresy(as defined in scripture, and by RoboOp and ALL the Admins on this site you are using) .... thank you for stating it so clearly in your post.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Some people just BABEL.....

Genesis 11:5-9[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Doesnt that remind you of here in a reflection somewhat?

Luke 20:17 And he beheld them, and said,

What is this then that is written,

The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?

Whereas he asks also

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

And where it says,

Just as the LORD came down to see what men were building

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Gen 11: 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

Whereas their purpose was to confound the their language that they would not understand one anothers speech through that visit, he that believeth in Christ, the stone the builders rejected will not be confounded in contrast. Well, in this way rather, I cant help but see some cool things in this one.

See what I mean?

Go to, let us go down,

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will,
but the will of him that sent me.

I and the Father that sent me.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

And he beheld them, and said,

What is this then that is written,

The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?

Short version I was just playing as I was looking at this

 

[mikeuk]

so you think heresy is better than truth? I reported that, as will others who believe truth is more important than heresy(as defined in scripture, and by RoboOp and ALL the Admins on this site you are using) .... thank you for stating it so clearly in your post.

My post was truth. Uncomfortable facts.

The OSAS arguments on this forum are an all protestant affair and considering there are at least three mutually exclusive beliefs, two thirds of the writers preach untruths (or heresy in your words). Like the chief pastor of the "heartbreaking" thread. So focus on him if you want to do something useful instead.

The OP on this thread has hit on the most fundamental question of all for protestants, indeed for Luther himself in old age.
Once you cut loose from the magisterium , what then is authority? Why is it all these people read the bible, discern the spirit and come to opposite answers. Why ten thousand fractures of denominations?

It is because there is an authority problem
So solve the problems in your own back yard, rather than attack an organisation you seem to know little about.

 

[MarcR]

Since what I said is facts, and quoting Luther himself in later life he despaired of how the monster he created went out of control, it is hardly heresy however uncomfortable reading it is. It is true. Look it up.

And sola scriptura is unsupportable logically/ biblically or historically. If you can defend it give me the arguments. But how can a book that purports to be the sole conveyor of truth, ommit the most fundamental truth - that the bible is the sole truth? It does not make sense. It fails in simple logic. The bible is inspired for sure. But not the only truth. Scripture says it. The "pillar and foundation of truth is the church!"


And I think you as well as Jeff would do better to attack the head pastor of the thread I related "heartbreaking", rather than attacking me, showing the disgraceful reasons some of these sects fracture. I cannot think a majority of the congregation agree with the pastor and the bible certainly does not.

And yes it angers me - that such as Jeff can waste his life on a hate mantra against an organisation he knows nothing about, whilst ignoring real problems in how denominations generally are giving in to populist and wordly demands.

You can criticise RCC as much as you like, but at least it has not given in to popular pressure on pro life issues (contraception/abortion) or homosexuality, its doctrine unchanged in millenia on those issues - as indeed is the bible.

The reality is the reason for division is as Luther said, everyone has taken it upon themselves to believe their version of doctrine is true.
Because of lack of authority. My suggestion is you find a solution to the problems, rather than pretend they do not exist. I tire for example of the rudeness on the average OSAS thread, and that is an all protestant affair. Several interpretations all mutually exclusive, all believeing theirs is true. Nothing to do with RCC it is a protestant problem.

Perhaps the moderator will agree with you

 

[mikeuk]

Perhaps the moderator will agree with you

An odd reply.

Here we have a thread addressing a critical problem - why so many opposing views of scripture.
It is a problem that Luther despaired of in his later years, indeed those quotes really are his!
It is clear that bible and discerning spirit is not enough to avoid massive arguments on these forums about such as OSAS.

But a post that addresses that problem is somehow reported as heresy? - A fuller version of the very same argument on another identical thread by the same OP.

If protestants are ever to solve the problem, first they have to recognise it that presently many denominations even allow a teaching pastor to decide doctrine or interpretation, and that is why there are so many splits. Many different interpretation of The real presence (or otherwise) has accounted for many splits, the latest waive are about homosexuality/women in clergy/ abortion and so on.

Recognise the problem. Lack of authority, and that scripture alone is provably not enough , or why all the arguments?
Pretending the problem does not exist is not helpful to anyone.
And moderating out a post that says so does not help anyone either!

 

[MarcR]

Heresy is NEVER helpful! That is NOT OPEN TO DISCUSSION!

 

[mikeuk]

Heresy is NEVER helpful! That is NOT OPEN TO DISCUSSION!

Yes but who is the heretic? I would say the head pastor on the "heartbreaking" thread! Who took it into his hands to redefine doctrine how he would like it to be, believing the spirit guided him.. And that is why there are now !0000+? denominations and counting.

And since there are three mutually exclusive views on every OSAS thread, 2/3 of the views are heretical. But the discussion carries on regardless.

Disappointed you have not challenged the arguments at all. Look up Luther. He really did say those things!

 

[MarcR]

Anything that knowingly contradicts Scripture is heresy!

Constantine's paganization of the Church was and is Heresy

Apostolic Succession is heresy

Veneration of Mary is heresy

I could continue for hours but I've made my point.

 

[Jeff_56]

Perhaps the moderator will agree with you

oops .... quite a slip-up .... unless the moderator opposes RoboOp and ALL the Admins they won't agree with the heresy.

who is the heretic? see the site owner RoboOp or any of the Admins or anyone who knows the truth ---

Yahweh clearly identifies the rcc catholic abomination as heresy as do all these....


http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/41911-catholic-heresy-record.html

christianchat.........com/bible-discussion-forum/41911-catholic-heresy-record.html

"But it regularly happens that we start to accumulate Catholics here who really promote and argue their Catholicism, along with all the heresy.
So for the record, if anyone wants or needs to hear it, we don't agree with Catholic heresy."

 

[secularhermit]

Is it tradition enough to get its real meaning?

No way each person has that right to think it his ways.

 

[Jeff_56]

according to Jesus, you have never even seen the truth. you cannot recognize the truth or you would not take part in and defend heresy.

it doesn't matter what any other church or group does or says ---
that doesn't make the devil a good guy. and it doesn't make the heresy true in any way at all --- catholicism is deadly, poison, heresy, opposed to Jesus and to all LIFE on earth and opposed to YAHWEH IN HEAVEN.

the authority is YAHWEH. HE says roman catholicism is of the devil. period. HE IS AGAINST IT.

My post was truth. Uncomfortable facts.

The OSAS arguments on this forum are an all protestant affair and considering there are at least three mutually exclusive beliefs, two thirds of the writers preach untruths (or heresy in your words). Like the chief pastor of the "heartbreaking" thread. So focus on him if you want to do something useful instead.

The OP on this thread has hit on the most fundamental question of all for protestants, indeed for Luther himself in old age.
Once you cut loose from the magisterium , what then is authority? Why is it all these people read the bible, discern the spirit and come to opposite answers. Why ten thousand fractures of denominations?

It is because there is an authority problem
So solve the problems in your own back yard, rather than attack an organisation you seem to know little about.

 

[mikeuk]

I could continue for hours but I've made my point.

You made No point at all. But this is not the thread to discuss the myth and reality of any of those issues.

This is a thread begging a fundamental question, at the heart of it all. Why so many different interpretations, all of whom claim are inspired - all between Protestants here, leave us out of it.

luther despaired of everyone claiming the right to believe their version was spirit inspired, and indeed proverbs 3 1 says you cannot! The bible clearly stating 1 T 3-15 that " pillar and foundation of truth is the church" not scripture. Indeed early Christians were told by Paul to hold true to tradition taught by word of mouth and letter 2 thes 2 15 the NT did not exist then! So bible alone cannot be historic, because the first Christians cannot have been bible Christians. It was only the advent of printing presses that allowed scripture to be other than liturgical or for scholars.

Indeed on the " sola scriptura" front there is a Protestant dispute about what it means, because none of the definitions really work in logic, are too easily disproven or found wanting - did you know that?

So My suggestion is stop RCC bashing off topic, and consider the valid problem Protestants have here.

Why so many interpretations - indeed the only think on which you seem to unite is anti RCC, because there is little else you seem to agree on. Why?

 

[wattie]

Newsflash! What is a Protestant? If by this term we mean reformer, well there have been since the start of churches, independent Christian churches that aren't catholic or needed to reform. Local assemblies of saved baptised believers covenanted together to carry out the great commandment and commission.