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you are spamming this site and forums and threads with errors. that's not personal.
right now every time you post, you publish an icon - an idol- a graven image.
you are
deceiving others with babble from the enemy, in every one of your posts not just a few, as you yourself have been totally deceived.
right now every time you post, you publish an icon - an idol- a graven image.
you are
deceiving others with babble from the enemy, in every one of your posts not just a few, as you yourself have been totally deceived.
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Welllllllllllllllllllllllll then, maybe Michael will respond. The interpretation is meant to show that the Messiah did "keep the literal command" in a way. To carry out the death penalty, the literal commands require a legal process and standard to be met, which they were not in this case. In this sense, the Messiah acted as a good defense lawyer, no different than how defense lawyers act in courts in the United States today. None of them are breaking or dismissing the U.S. law, they're in fact upholding it by rigorously cross-examining witnesses, reviewing evidence, etc. in order to provide a fair trial. Likewise, the Messiah did not simply break or dismiss God's law, He disqualified the witnesses and, thus, the woman was free to go, as the Law stipulates. But it's important to note He says, "Go and sin no more," not, "Here's your free pass, go and do what you like."
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And there goes my theory that I stay calm under pressure, so I apologise to you and Michael. 
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Again if I am wrong? make biblical points against what I am presenting ...if your right and Im wrong the scriptures will make it evident to everyone...All this strife and contention and constant personal attacks are not from God.
Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
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James 2:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
James 2:14 (ESV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works?
Can that faith save him? (Implied answer is NO!)
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
Acts 24:13-16 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Neither can they provide evidence to you of what they now bring against me.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But I confess this to you: I worship my fathers’ God according to the Way, which they call a sect, believing all the things that are written in the Law and in the Prophets.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And I have a hope in God, which these men themselves also accept, that there is going to be a resurrection, both of the righteous and the unrighteous.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] I always do my best to have a clear conscience toward God and men.
Paul' Message:
Acts 28:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] After arranging a day with him, many came to him at his lodging. From dawn to dusk he expounded and witnessed about the kingdom of God. He tried to persuade them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets.
1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,
1 John 2:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, “I have come to know Him”, yet doesn't keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
2 John 1:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
James 2:26 (HCSB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
James 2:14 (ESV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works?
Can that faith save him? (Implied answer is NO!)
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
Acts 24:13-16 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Neither can they provide evidence to you of what they now bring against me.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But I confess this to you: I worship my fathers’ God according to the Way, which they call a sect, believing all the things that are written in the Law and in the Prophets.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And I have a hope in God, which these men themselves also accept, that there is going to be a resurrection, both of the righteous and the unrighteous.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] I always do my best to have a clear conscience toward God and men.
Paul' Message:
Acts 28:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] After arranging a day with him, many came to him at his lodging. From dawn to dusk he expounded and witnessed about the kingdom of God. He tried to persuade them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets.
1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,
1 John 2:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, “I have come to know Him”, yet doesn't keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
2 John 1:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
“You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them.
Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be your slave —
just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be your slave —
just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
i've been doing a study with a small group on prayer, and in the last week's lessons, the author of the book we are looking at together said that a 'test' for legalistic works vs. spiritual works was this:
that if what you pointed to as evidence of righteousness could be measured by human instruments, you are thinking legalistically,
and if the things you call righteousness are not measured by human instruments, they are spiritual service.
i.e. giving tithes or doing charity, attending a church, avoiding alcohol or foods, reciting prayers, reading texts, etc. are all measurable things, and 'legalistic' evidence -
but love, kindness, thanksgiving, mercy, faith -- these things are not "measured" and are all by the Spirit.
what do you guys think of this? it's an attractive idea to me as a 'litmus' test, very clear cut, and of course it doesn't mean that doing anything that can be "measured" is wrong - but do you think that's accurate?
(still pondering) - thanks for any opinion
that if what you pointed to as evidence of righteousness could be measured by human instruments, you are thinking legalistically,
and if the things you call righteousness are not measured by human instruments, they are spiritual service.
i.e. giving tithes or doing charity, attending a church, avoiding alcohol or foods, reciting prayers, reading texts, etc. are all measurable things, and 'legalistic' evidence -
but love, kindness, thanksgiving, mercy, faith -- these things are not "measured" and are all by the Spirit.
what do you guys think of this? it's an attractive idea to me as a 'litmus' test, very clear cut, and of course it doesn't mean that doing anything that can be "measured" is wrong - but do you think that's accurate?
(still pondering) - thanks for any opinion
When reading the bible, we have to remember that the bottom line for those who love God is His, love, mercy and compassion to them. That underlines everything. You cannot just take the literal word and fixate on that, unless you understand what everything hinges on for a believer.
King David committed adultery and was responsible for Uriah's death. Was he killed for that? No, he was forgiven, though he paid a price for his actions. David had been a man after God's own heart, he had steadfastly followed God, he was loved of God, therefore he was forgiven.
God will show mercy on whom he will show mercy. According to Christ, the higher points of the law are, mercy, justice, faithfulness. The literal letter of commandments has to be read with that in mind. We must never stop knowing God wants to show such love, mercy and compassion to people.
How many of us would be cast into hell for failing to obey the literal letter perfectly? All of us. King David's bottom line was not in a righteousness of obedience to the law, for he said no one living was righteous before God. His bottom line was God's unfailing love, and that is our bottom line also.
The literal letter does not allow for that, for it is ''Thou shalt not'' The law is inflexible, it holds to a standard no one has ever met. There is no pass mark of acceptability to it to be saved. It is the heart that makes you right with God, not the literal letter of obedience, for we all fail where that letter is concerned.
The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life, and God's love, mercy and compassion is ultimately what saves those who come to Him.
And God has the right to forgive the sinner and show love, mercy and compassion to them also, therefore Christ had the right to forgive the woman caught in adultery.
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i've been doing a study with a small group on prayer, and in the last week's lessons, the author of the book we are looking at together said that a 'test' for legalistic works vs. spiritual works was this:
that if what you pointed to as evidence of righteousness could be measured by human instruments, you are thinking legalistically,
and if the things you call righteousness are not measured by human instruments, they are spiritual service.
i.e. giving tithes or doing charity, attending a church, avoiding alcohol or foods, reciting prayers, reading texts, etc. are all measurable things, and 'legalistic' evidence -
but love, kindness, thanksgiving, mercy, faith -- these things are not "measured" and are all by the Spirit.
what do you guys think of this? it's an attractive idea to me as a 'litmus' test, very clear cut, and of course it doesn't mean that doing anything that can be "measured" is wrong - but do you think that's accurate?
(still pondering) - thanks for any opinion
that if what you pointed to as evidence of righteousness could be measured by human instruments, you are thinking legalistically,
and if the things you call righteousness are not measured by human instruments, they are spiritual service.
i.e. giving tithes or doing charity, attending a church, avoiding alcohol or foods, reciting prayers, reading texts, etc. are all measurable things, and 'legalistic' evidence -
but love, kindness, thanksgiving, mercy, faith -- these things are not "measured" and are all by the Spirit.
what do you guys think of this? it's an attractive idea to me as a 'litmus' test, very clear cut, and of course it doesn't mean that doing anything that can be "measured" is wrong - but do you think that's accurate?
(still pondering) - thanks for any opinion
We cannot keep the law by the letter because of the weakness of our flesh, but we can by faith and love walk in the Spirit and those things demanded in the law are fulfilled. Its God working in us, and its His ability that manifest good works, not the flesh of man.