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It is not growing, God knew from before the beginning, exactly how many would reject Jesus Christ as LORD:
Revelation 13:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And he was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. He was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] All those who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
Revelation 13:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And he was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. He was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] All those who live on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
It seems you are not so concerned if God's laws are obeyed or not. I asked you a question you couldn't answer, you said you were going to go away and study I believe concerning it. As you couldn't answer the question, you started making errant comments concerning me. That is the standard response when a person has no answer to the question put.
This is a common problem for those who stress the literal letter must be followed, they cannot do it themselves where it matters most.
This is a common problem for those who stress the literal letter must be followed, they cannot do it themselves where it matters most.
I have recently posted quotes a couple times from CARM (Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry), though I was reasonably sure that they were a Conservative Evangelical organization; however, I had never actually read their Statement of Faith. I figured that since I was quoting their website, to support my position, it would be unfair of me to Not read their Statement of Faith.
I just finished reading it, and WOW, is it ever good. It is one the BEST that I have ever seen, very well thought out, biblically supported, and DEFINITELY the most thorough subjectively by far. This in my opinion, is what all Statements of Faith should look like. I was somewhat disappointed that they refused to take a position in the ever ongoing Rapture Debate, but they seem to be just protecting their outreach/resource ministry, insuring the broadest possible Mainline Christianity usage of their website. This Statement of Faith is well worth saving for future reference.
https://carm.org/statement-faith
I just finished reading it, and WOW, is it ever good. It is one the BEST that I have ever seen, very well thought out, biblically supported, and DEFINITELY the most thorough subjectively by far. This in my opinion, is what all Statements of Faith should look like. I was somewhat disappointed that they refused to take a position in the ever ongoing Rapture Debate, but they seem to be just protecting their outreach/resource ministry, insuring the broadest possible Mainline Christianity usage of their website. This Statement of Faith is well worth saving for future reference.
https://carm.org/statement-faith
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Like I said to you before, it is clear that you don't know the verses you are accusing Yeshua of not keeping... just like the Pharisees did. Wonder what that makes you 
, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. [SUP]5 [/SUP]In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” John 8:5
What was Jesus response?
Did he say, ''No, that isn't what the law states concerning this woman, you've got it wrong?'' No he didn't, why not?
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death Lev20:10. Now I must admit, I am expecting to have a wry smile at your response!!
Sometimes, people will come up with anything!! My guess is, it will be another question to avoid answering any yourself
Like I said to you before, it is clear that you don't know the verses you are accusing Yeshua of not keeping... just like the Pharisees did. Wonder what that makes you
Thank you Michael for your verse. Let us have look at it together.
Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Like I said to you before, Yeshua knew that this was a trap from the Pharisees and that they were trying to catch Him out and reveal to the people that He is a fraud. Yeshua knew the law and He knew the requirements but in Leviticus 20 the adulterer and the adulteress should have been stoned and when reading John 8 only the woman was brought to Yeshua. We don’t know what Yeshua wrote in the sand and the interesting thing is whatever it was it worked and along with His statement defused the situation immediately. His statement “let him that is without sin cast the first stone”. My guess (and this is me not the word) is that Yeshua could have quoted Leviticus 20 because all of the Pharisees were guilty in not keeping the law and they would have had their own punishment for not keeping the law. Yeshua is King and he knows that we are unable to keep the law, and by grace we can enter His kingdom. Not by denying the existence of the law but by acknowledging our weakness and dependence on Yeshua and his grace.
Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Like I said to you before, Yeshua knew that this was a trap from the Pharisees and that they were trying to catch Him out and reveal to the people that He is a fraud. Yeshua knew the law and He knew the requirements but in Leviticus 20 the adulterer and the adulteress should have been stoned and when reading John 8 only the woman was brought to Yeshua. We don’t know what Yeshua wrote in the sand and the interesting thing is whatever it was it worked and along with His statement defused the situation immediately. His statement “let him that is without sin cast the first stone”. My guess (and this is me not the word) is that Yeshua could have quoted Leviticus 20 because all of the Pharisees were guilty in not keeping the law and they would have had their own punishment for not keeping the law. Yeshua is King and he knows that we are unable to keep the law, and by grace we can enter His kingdom. Not by denying the existence of the law but by acknowledging our weakness and dependence on Yeshua and his grace.
The fact Jesus knew it was an attempt at a trap is immaterial. He knew according to the letter of the law the punishment was death, for he stated if any of them were without sin they may cast the first stone.
Is it too much just to accept Jesus invoked, what he termed one of the higher points of the law-mercy(Matt23:23) where the woman was concerned. The problem with just looking at the literal letter is it does not allow for the love, mercy and compassion of God, on which both covenants ultimately hinged. The religious leaders mishandled the law(Jeremiah 8:8) though they thought themselves so wise.
It is the same today, those who most rigidly look to the literal letter, ignore the love, mercy and compassion of God the most. As Jesus told the Pharisees, they neglected the love of God
Is it too much just to accept Jesus invoked, what he termed one of the higher points of the law-mercy(Matt23:23) where the woman was concerned. The problem with just looking at the literal letter is it does not allow for the love, mercy and compassion of God, on which both covenants ultimately hinged. The religious leaders mishandled the law(Jeremiah 8:8) though they thought themselves so wise.
It is the same today, those who most rigidly look to the literal letter, ignore the love, mercy and compassion of God the most. As Jesus told the Pharisees, they neglected the love of God
I think your remarks seem evermore desperate to be honest. The conversation started because I questioned whether Jesus always followed the literal letter. I wasn't looking for a victim, rather, to be honest, what mattered most to Jesus, the heart of the message or simply the literal letter. The Pharisees of Jesus day knew the literal letter, but not the heart of the message. I will be sure not to respond to any points you raise in the future, as my query has obviously upset you, as is obvious by some of the unfortunate ''remarks'' you have since made
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The Commandments of Jesus are faith and love, not legalism from the law of Moses. Yes I would love to see all believers walking in the newness of the Spirit and not the oldness of the letter.
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.