The STRENGTH OF SIN!

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john832

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Sorry to use this example again. If I said to you, if you think of a pink rabbit God will condemn you to hell, what is the first thought that will come into your mind if you believed me? It wouldn't be long before you were consumed y the thought of the creature would it. However, as you know there is no penalty of condemnation in place for thinking of such a creature, you won't get all worked up about it will you. You wouldn't think of it
Whatever you do, don't read the following verse...

Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

Uh-oh, you just had to read it, didn't you?
 
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So, your the kind of guy that if someone tells you not to jump in front of a speeding bus, you jump in front of a speeding bus?

Someone tells you not to take a .357 and blow your brains out, you can't wait to try it?

Someone tells you not to commit adultery, it will bring all types of terrible results, all you can think about is committing adultery?

In other words, you can't be warned not to do anything with terrible consequences?
Proverbs 14:7
 
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Precisely my foolish friend.

Pro 10:8 The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.
Do you see a person wise in their own eyes?
There is more hope for a fool than for them
 

john832

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Do you see a person wise in their own eyes?
There is more hope for a fool than for them
Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
 
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Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
Anyone can obey the legalistic commandments. The Pharisees were faultless where they were concerned.
 

john832

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Anyone can obey the legalistic commandments. The Pharisees were faultless where they were concerned.
No they weren't...

Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

If anyone can obey, do you?
 
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No they weren't...

Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

If anyone can obey, do you?
I see you do not understand what you read:

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.[SUP]27 [/SUP]“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. [SUP]28 [/SUP]In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Matt23:25-28

As for zeal, persecuting the church, as for legalistic righteousness, faultless Phil3:6
 
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Whatever you do, don't read the following verse...

Psa 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

Uh-oh, you just had to read it, didn't you?
ha ha ha
that made me laugh:D
 
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So, your the kind of guy that if someone tells you not to jump in front of a speeding bus, you jump in front of a speeding bus?

Someone tells you not to take a .357 and blow your brains out, you can't wait to try it?

Someone tells you not to commit adultery, it will bring all types of terrible results, all you can think about is committing adultery?

In other words, you can't be warned not to do anything with terrible consequences?
I know we should not give time to a mocker, but....

Where were the Pharisees corrupted? On the inside

Which law did Paul give as an example he could not obey as a Pharisee? Thou shalt not covet. What was aroused in him by sin through that commandment? All manner of concupiscence. He get corrupted on the inside.

What laws can you break without facing the consequences in this life? Laws relating to the inner man

How many become Christians and have tendancies (or weaknesses) to be homicidal maniacs?

How many Christians have tendancies to commit suicide?

What corruption can man have on the inside? What is a basic weakness of man in regard to the Tenth Commandment? Here's a clue. Rom 7:7-11.It ain't hard to obey legalistic commandments(tiresome at times maybe, but not hard), but the law relating to the inner man is a different proposition entirely.
So you can look righteous on the outside, while being full of uncleanliness on the inside
 
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why is the strength of sin the law?
Romans 5:13
king james version(kjv)

13.)For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
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If people don't know that they are sinning then they can say they didn't know but if there is a law then they can't say they didn't know.
 

gotime

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Because without the law, sin is dead... powerless.
Just keep in mind the law does not go away, its the condemnation that is taken away:

Gal_3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

And the law as a whole directed us to Christ in order that through faith we might be lifted from the condemnation of the law. He took our curse for us in our place. So now while the law still remains it does not condemn you or I if we are in Faith cause our sins are paid for the cruse was laid on Him and His righteousness is imputed to us. Those who are in Christ are seen as righteous and thus the law no longer condemns us even though it still stands.
 
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"1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law."

What law was Paul referring to?
 
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gotime

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Romans 5:13
king james version(kjv)

13.)For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
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If people don't know that they are sinning then they can say they didn't know but if there is a law then they can't say they didn't know.
In this is the wisdom of God manifest.

Men had lost a understanding of what right and wrong were. not realizing the gravity of their sin. now that is a problem because Sin separates us from God:

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

So God in His wisdom gave the law so that all would see their need of saving/10 commandments and also the method of salvation/sacrificial system. Which would lead to the only solution, Faith in God for the forgiveness of sins and His imputed righteousness.

This is not a truth that only came after Jesus as it is written:

Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

So we see that even before the law one could be counted righteous by faith.

For even Noah taught such as it is written:

2Pe_2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

and again:

Heb_11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
 

gotime

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"1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law."

What law was Paul referring to?
I would think it would be the law on stone the 10 commandments.
 

john832

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Anyone can obey the legalistic commandments. The Pharisees were faultless where they were concerned.
You keep making this stuff up and it is not scriptural at all...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Apparently, you have invented all these ideas and not based them on scripture because everything you keep spouting is the antithesis of God's Word.
 
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"1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law."

What law was Paul referring to?


1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
 
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2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Here Peter uses the term for those who cannot cease, better translated "rest" from sin , cursed children (under the curse of the law)....covetous?

7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
 

john832

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Anyone can obey the legalistic commandments. The Pharisees were faultless where they were concerned.
Joh 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

Sure, the Pharisees kept it faultlessly, says so right there. Oops, maybe not.