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Originally Posted by michael56
Anyone can obey the legalistic commandments. The Pharisees were faultless where they were concerned.
John 8:32:
''Joh 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Sure, the Pharisees kept it faultlessly, says so right there. Oops, maybe not.''
As for legalistic righteousness, faultless Phil3:6
John 8:32:
''Joh 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Sure, the Pharisees kept it faultlessly, says so right there. Oops, maybe not.''
As for legalistic righteousness, faultless Phil3:6
Originally Posted by michael56
Anyone can obey the legalistic commandments. The Pharisees were faultless where they were concerned.
John 8:32:
''Joh 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Sure, the Pharisees kept it faultlessly, says so right there. Oops, maybe not.''
As for legalistic righteousness, faultless Phil3:6
John 8:32:
''Joh 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Sure, the Pharisees kept it faultlessly, says so right there. Oops, maybe not.''
As for legalistic righteousness, faultless Phil3:6
If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness faultless Phil3:5&6
I don't know whether to laugh or cry I really don't
I don't know whether to laugh or cry I really don't
Paul was a pharisee and did keep the law legalistically before His conversion. Legalism however never actually keeps the law it only has an outward appearance of keeping the law. Hence the two verses used one by you and one my michael56,
I think you are missing their point which is biblical and valid.
I think you are missing their point which is biblical and valid.
M
Ro 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
The "falling away" Declared by Paul at his departure is no doubt based upon the bringing back of the law, and the perversion of the Gospel that Paul preached and taught...."The Word of Grace"
The Church has been in this "fallen" condition all this years with the rise of the RCC and the following daughters of the great harlot who preaches law and a legalistic gospel, a false gospel!
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
The "falling away" Declared by Paul at his departure is no doubt based upon the bringing back of the law, and the perversion of the Gospel that Paul preached and taught...."The Word of Grace"
The Church has been in this "fallen" condition all this years with the rise of the RCC and the following daughters of the great harlot who preaches law and a legalistic gospel, a false gospel!
M
One Common thread you will always see with those who claim to be keeping (parts) of the Law of Moses, is an outward appearance of Godliness but a inward darkness of heart. The very thing the Lord rebuked the "law-keepers" of His day for!
Mt 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Be sure that all those who claim to be looking to the law of Moses in anyway to be justified before God are under the power of sin, no matter what try to appear to others.
Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Mt 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Be sure that all those who claim to be looking to the law of Moses in anyway to be justified before God are under the power of sin, no matter what try to appear to others.
Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
M
Ro 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
The commandments wrought (stirred-up) all manner of evil desires...How could God have written any clearer "DONT EAT FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, FOR YOU SHALL SURLY DIE" but the serpent is more cunning and makes himself into a minister of righteousness, he has and continues to deceived the majority of those who claim to have faith in Jesus Christ.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
The commandments wrought (stirred-up) all manner of evil desires...How could God have written any clearer "DONT EAT FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, FOR YOU SHALL SURLY DIE" but the serpent is more cunning and makes himself into a minister of righteousness, he has and continues to deceived the majority of those who claim to have faith in Jesus Christ.
M
Ge 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
"written and engraved in stones" The only part of the law of Moses, written and engraved in stones, was the TEN COMMMANDMENTS. How far from understanding the true gospel are most ministers and folks who claim to be believers?
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
"written and engraved in stones" The only part of the law of Moses, written and engraved in stones, was the TEN COMMMANDMENTS. How far from understanding the true gospel are most ministers and folks who claim to be believers?
M
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
How many believers have been caused to stumble by those who reject the truth and attempt to teach the law?
How many have forsaken "the way of righteousness" by faith and gone about to establish their own righteousness by law-keeping? How does satan (the accuser) hold so many in the church under his power?
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
How many believers have been caused to stumble by those who reject the truth and attempt to teach the law?
How many have forsaken "the way of righteousness" by faith and gone about to establish their own righteousness by law-keeping? How does satan (the accuser) hold so many in the church under his power?
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Ephesians 4:19
king james version(kjv)
19.)Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
GOD gave us sense knowledge to help our bodies to perceive things in the physical but to commune with GOD we have to get into the spirit.
Faith pleases GOD.
John 4:24
king james version(kjv)
24.)God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
king james version(kjv)
19.)Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
GOD gave us sense knowledge to help our bodies to perceive things in the physical but to commune with GOD we have to get into the spirit.
Faith pleases GOD.
John 4:24
king james version(kjv)
24.)God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.