SAVED BY WORKS

[kennethcadwell]

What you are forgetting is how powerful David was. The reason why is that David would ask God what to do. When David failed is when he did not ask but acted on His own. What does that tell us?

That is true and also where he failed is when he transgressed the law, but the thing David did do that is carried over under the new covenant is that when he did mess up he repented of what he did. Else wise he would have been held to the capital punishment carried by the Mosaic laws for committing murder and adultery....

 

[KJV1611]

I believe these are part of those that Jesus mentioned in the sower and the seed, that they did abide in the faith for a little while but because their faith was weak and not well rooted in Him false teachers came up and drew them away with words of deception.

So you're saying that saving faith in Jesus Christ is weak faith?

 

[ChristInUs]

I thought David was powerful because he was a man after God's own heart.

Yes that murder and adulterer was a man after Gods own heart. Why? because He asked God and sought Him for direction. He realized His downfall and relied on God. A totally different doctrine than what is taught today. When Davis failed is when He did not Seek Gods advice.

 

[KJV1611]

Yes that murder and adulterer was a man after Gods own heart. Why? because He asked God and sought Him for direction. He realized His downfall and relied on God. A totally different doctrine than what is taught today. When Davis failed is when He did not Seek Gods advice.

Did you know that when David had Bathsheeba's husband killed he was foreshadowing Jesus killing your souls husband on the cross? Kind of cool how amazing God is huh... he used David's sin and weakness to demonstrate the gospel way back in the Old Testament. I'm telling you what man the bible blows me away!

 

[kennethcadwell]

So you're saying that saving faith in Jesus Christ is weak faith?

I am saying like the bible says that for one reason or another there will be some who are weak in the faith and we are to help them;

Romans 14:1

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

 

[ChristInUs]

I am saying like the bible says that for one reason or another there will be some who are weak in the faith and we are to help them;

Romans 14:1

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Keep reading that passage and you wil find that your works are vain.

 

[dcontroversal]

Did you know that when David had Bathsheeba's husband killed he was foreshadowing Jesus killing your souls husband on the cross? Kind of cool how amazing God is huh... he used David's sin and weakness to demonstrate the gospel way back in the Old Testament. I'm telling you what man the bible blows me away!

And even deeper truth is the fact the SON of DAVID paid the price in the place of David with a substitutionary death...a big picture of JESUS...Thou Son of David have mercy on us....!

 

[KJV1611]

I am saying like the bible says that for one reason or another there will be some who are weak in the faith and we are to help them;

Romans 14:1

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Did the bible say that they had "true saving faith" or did it just say faith and you added true saying faith to it? Could you show me what part of the verses says that they had "true saving faith" instead of false faith?

 

[ChristInUs]

Did you know that when David had Bathsheeba's husband killed he was foreshadowing Jesus killing your souls husband on the cross? Kind of cool how amazing God is huh... he used David's sin and weakness to demonstrate the gospel way back in the Old Testament. I'm telling you what man the bible blows me away!

Bu SHH, It showed how David needed the Cross just as we do.

 

[KJV1611]

And even deeper truth is the fact the SON of DAVID paid the price in the place of David with a substitutionary death...a big picture of JESUS...Thou Son of David have mercy on us....!

You are da man... that is awesome. I never noticed that!

 

[kennethcadwell]

Keep reading that passage and you wil find that your works are vain.

That verse had nothing to do with works being vain, it is speaking of those who are weak in the faith because they still have doubts in areas such as rather they can or can not eat certain things. We are told to help those who are weak instead of judge them, as Paul says in verse 13 to not judge anybody any more.

 

[KJV1611]

Bu SHH, It showed how David needed the Cross just as we do.

Amen! I most certainly agree with that.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Did the bible say that they had "true saving faith" or did it just say faith and you added true saying faith to it? Could you show me what part of the verses says that they had "true saving faith" instead of false faith?

Asking a question like that about Romans 14 is making a reach because you can not say they didn't believe in Christ, as it just shows they have doubts in certain areas still. And that we are to do things with confidence......

 

[KJV1611]

Asking a question like that about Romans 14 is making a reach because you can not say they didn't believe in Christ, as it just shows they have doubts in certain areas still. And that we are to do things with confidence......

Why is it that I can't say that they didn't have saving faith but you can say that they did? Are you not stretching to say that they had saving faith?

 

[dcontroversal]

You are da man... that is awesome. I never noticed that!

It is a very deep truth that is often overlooked because of the circumstances surrounding that event in David's life......an INNNOCENT SUBSTITUTIONARY DEATH in the place of one who deserved it......good stuff for sure...!

 

[KJV1611]

It is a very deep truth that is often overlooked because of the circumstances surrounding that event in David's life......an INNNOCENT SUBSTITUTIONARY DEATH in the place of one who deserved it......good stuff for sure...!

So true and I appreciate you posting that. Those are the things I love to learn about and talk about. There are so many hidden treasures like that all over the bible.

 

[dcontroversal]

So true and I appreciate you posting that. Those are the things I love to learn about and talk about. There are so many hidden treasures like that all over the bible.

O yeah for sure......I call them gems.......and like you said the bible is full of them......but just like any other gem you have to dig for it unless you get (lucky) and stumble across one.......!

 

[kennethcadwell]

Why is it that I can't say that they didn't have saving faith but you can say that they did? Are you not stretching to say that they had saving faith?

That depends on what you consider saving faith, because there are those who say faith alone saves therefore these would be saved but just still weak and not mature. And then you have the other aspect that says an active faith is what saves, so having doubts in areas and such would constitute a weak unsaved faith.
I never said either way rather they were saved or not, just said you would be reaching to make this assumption.
And what if you find out at judgment when you have to give an account of yourself that you were wrong on that judgment call on another. This is why Paul says a couple times do not judge at all..........

 

[KJV1611]

That depends on what you consider saving faith, because there are those who say faith alone saves therefore these would be saved but just still weak and not mature. And then you have the other aspect that says an active faith is what saves, so having doubts in areas and such would constitute a weak unsaved faith.
I never said either way rather they were saved or not, just said you would be reaching to make this assumption.
And what if you find out at judgment when you have to give an account of yourself that you were wrong on that judgment call on another. This is why Paul says a couple times do not judge at all..........

It goes back to what I initially said. There are 2 types of faith, head faith and heart faith. Head faith comes from your ownself, heart faith comes from Jesus Christ. Head faith leads to heart faith and heart faith is permanent and can not be lost.

 

[Jeff_56]

head faith leads to heart faith? where is that written ?