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AngelFrog

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I'd hate to be you on judgement day.. :/
Ideally there would be a faith icon applied to one's profile to differentiate between the Christians here and all others. That way we're not having to infer an atheist is on board just by the reading of their remarks.

Someone who argues the Bible is tantamount to Aesop's fables know nothing about the import of the oral tradition. Nor, how the Bible came to exist in its present form. And being this is a Christian forum it may be inferred they have no interest in correcting that ignorance either.
 
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God's name is not Odin.. it's Jesus..
I was just highlighting that there are many gods you don't believe in... Such as Odin, Zeus, Poseidon etc.. And me saying that you will face their judgement is equally as effective as you telling me I will face your god's judgement.
 
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Ideally there would be a faith icon applied to one's profile to differentiate between the Christians here and all others. That way we're not having to infer an atheist is on board just by the reading of their remarks.

Someone who argues the Bible is tantamount to Aesop's fables know nothing about the import of the oral tradition. Nor, how the Bible came to exist in its present form. And being this is a Christian forum it may be inferred they have no interest in correcting that ignorance either.
I'm well aware of how the bible came to exist in its present form, or should I say many forms.

Knowledge of that doesnt make it more believable.
 

AngelFrog

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There is one huge difference between the Christian God and yours. Our God exists and predates your false gods. Follow them and be damned to Hell for all eternity.

"Odin saves!" He couldn't even save himself from falling into obscurity.
 

blue_ladybug

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I was just highlighting that there are many gods you don't believe in... Such as Odin, Zeus, Poseidon etc.. And me saying that you will face their judgement is equally as effective as you telling me I will face your god's judgement.
My God is real.. yours are mythical and fake.. but in the end, we will BOTH stand before our G(g)ods.. everyone will..
 
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There is one huge difference between the Christian God and yours. Our God exists and predates your false gods. Follow them and be damned to Hell for all eternity.

"Odin saves!" He couldn't even save himself from falling into obscurity.
I never said I believed in him... I was just using him as an example.
 

AngelFrog

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I'm well aware of how the bible came to exist in its present form, or should I say many forms.
I doubt that.

Knowledge of that doesnt make it more believable.
And here you are spending time in a forum filled with topics under discussion that for you do not exist.
 
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I doubt that.


And here you are spending time in a forum filled with topics under discussion that for you do not exist.
That's right. The internet allows me to go to any place of interest. Religion fascinates me, all religions do. I don't just spend time here, I visit Islam boards, Buddhist ones and even ones where people actually believe they are descended from Odin.
 
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I'd suggest you read the chat rules 1 and 2 before you go further with your remarks.
How is this breaking rules? I am pointing out a FACT that other people have other religious beliefs and they believe theirs is right.

I'm not making anything up.. I'm making a factual statement. Is that a bannable offense?
 

blue_ladybug

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Funny enough... That's exactly what believers in other gods say too!
I'm not an atheist..I don't believe in other gods..I believe in the one true God..Jesus Christ..
 

1joseph

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Welcome to Christian Chat Thinkerwithfacts.:)

Chances are, the Christians that are responding on an atheist talk show are not mature believers. A mature believer would not do this unless compelled by the Spirit of God (the Holly Spirit) to do so.

I totally agree with your last sentence, "So Christians... it may be time to update your stand and smarten up if you want to do what you think God wants you to do," but probably not in the way you mean, but rather that Christians need to continue growing and maturing in their walk with God by spending time with him (his Spirit) in meditation and prayer and time learning his Word, so that they will better know how to serve him, including knowing the Spirit's presence and voice so they can act upon the Spirit's prompting and leading at any moment.

The mature believer doesn't have to carry the weight of the responsibility for those who don't believe in God, for they know that responsibility falls to God himself and each individual--I'll make my choice and you will make yours. They understand they themselves can not save or change a person's unbelief but only the Holy Spirit working through them.

Also, don't worry about any damage done by the Christians you mentioned. God will cover their responses, making what reached every ear serve his purpose, which is beyond our understanding, and deal with those Christians actions for the betterment of their walk with him. (Keep in mind he is God and can do all things.)

Bottom line, the belief in God is just that, a belief. The same holds true for his Word, the Holy Bible, and Jesus Christ. The thing is, many believe but refuse to receive, knowing that to receive means dying out to one's self (the flesh) and committing to being a slave unto God (in the newness of life.) This, many will not do, or at best try it on for awhile never being fully committed. So, what we have is:
John 12:37
[ Belief and Unbelief Among the Jews ] Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him.

or
Romans 11:23
And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Thinkerwithfacts, I feel you have already sought him and found him but something is holding you back from submitting to his authority. Whatever it is I hope you can get past it, for in my humble opinion, He is worthy and worth serving.

In His Love,
Joseph



I see Christians being made fun of on Atheist talk shows when they call in . Looking like fools or idiots and being slain with simple opening questions. It is embarrassing and prevents young people from even considering Christian beliefs.
You cannot use the Bible to defend or support Christianity. That's like a person accused of a crime, having another person who supposedly helped you commit the crime, validate your alibi. Christianity is going to lose an entire generation because of this idiocy. There is plenty of non-Biblical factual evidence to show that Jesus lived, had huge influence and the Romans and Jews were worried enough to have him tracked and eventually killed. Also, most Atheist are not really Atheist, they are agnostic, which is a far cry from actual Atheism. They are just think the average Christian is so stupid they jump to the extreme position. Also, topics of Heaven and Hell can be really tough, i would stick to the unlikelihood of "no creator" and how science is showing that even the big bang had a start. Things just did not always exist. There is no evidence that anything that is in existence, always existed. That means that as outlandish as Genesis might sound to the non-believer it has more scientific merit than "it just is"! If the universe operates by certain laws then who or what or how was the law created? Also, it seems that when people are dying, regardless of a lifetime of disbelief they seem to starting thinking about God. Why is that? The fundamental idea of God seems to live in everyone's head. Also, most Atheist seem to be driven to their belief by an event where they felt let down by God. How could you be so let down and so against something you believe in your heart never existed? That means that most of them really deep down do believe, they have just emotionally covered up that part of their Psyche (or heart if you prefer). And lastly, why Jesus? Why? How could this religion still be going on? He is the only "messiah type" that any religion has. Everyone else just claimed to be a prophet, or what ever Buddha is, not "the" liaison to God and not a God-man figure to do Gods work on earth. Its the least believable of all the religions (excluding Mormonism and Scientology) yet it still exist today in pretty much the same form as it did in the beginning. To dismiss Jesus as a myth is historically idiotic, to dismiss God as as 100% myth is scientifically unsound (according to most scientist in the last 5 years including Stephen Hawking who recently is using a God concept in his Theory of everything message. So Christians ...it maybe time to update your stand and smarten up if you want to do what you think God wants you to do!
 

1joseph

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Originally Posted by blue_ladybug
My God is real.. yours are mythical and fake.. but in the end, we will BOTH stand before our G(g)ods.. everyone will..
Funny enough... That's exactly what believers in other gods say too!
But their god didn't rise from the grave.
 

maxwel

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Actually there ARE several logical ways in which you can use the bible as the basis for your argument.

But if you're talking to an atheist, it is probably just FASTER to point out issues of cosmology etc.


There are many many ways to give an apologetic, and point to the reality of God.
Do whatever works for you.
Just try not to do it badly, lol.
: )
 

maxwel

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That's right. The internet allows me to go to any place of interest. Religion fascinates me, all religions do. I don't just spend time here, I visit Islam boards, Buddhist ones and even ones where people actually believe they are descended from Odin.
Bro... I think the Buddhist boards are calling you again.
: )
 
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But their god didn't rise from the grave.
Resurrection isn't unique to your religion.

What about the resurrections of Attis, Quetzalcoatl, Krishna, Tammuz and Osiris? (Plus many more...)
 

maxwel

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Resurrection isn't unique to your religion.

What about the resurrections of Attis, Quetzalcoatl, Krishna, Tammuz and Osiris? (Plus many more...)
Also guys,
although there ARE answers to all these questions,
I don't go through all that unless the person is actually "seeking",
and not just wanting a debate.

If somebody just wants a debate, then treat it like a debate.
That's basically makes it a pointless exercise...
so you can just walk away and save your energy,
or go ahead and get on the offensive.
You don't need to take a defensive posture.
The atheist has tons of questions HE can't answer.


And if the guy happens to be Collin,
just send him back to the Buddhist Forum
: )
 
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breno785au

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If I talk to an atheist and they say to me, "When you answer me a question about God, I don't want you to quote the bible." I probably wouldn't bother talking to them about faith. Not because I want to answer with bible all the time, it's just why should I be restricted on how I want to answer a question? Who tells me how or how I can't answer a question?
They can put forward any evidence or (interpretation of evidence rather) or argument before me as they wish.