Eating Blood Prohibited
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I have asked several times if someone would please explain koshering, the spiritual significance and the actual process itself. But nobody is answering me. Just another BDF thread that's turned into a tangle of legalistic gobbledygook and a claptrap of opinions. And I believe the OP Jeff is no longer a member as there's no activity on his profile. Perhaps he has another account under a new user name?! Sigh......... oh well. I'm done here.
koshering and clean and unclean are two different things. Judaism has carried this (just like most other things) way beyond the scriptural intent. Example, one cannot prepare meat in a kitchen that has any dairy products stored in it. Please show me a scripture for this, it does not exist.
On the other hand, the Designer and Creator of the human body has some insight as to what fuel to operate it with. Clean and unclean meats was around long before there was a Priesthood and ceremonial Laws...
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Notice that Noah didn't have to ask "What do you mean, clean and not clean?" He knew. There was no Levitical Priesthood at the time, this was long before the Aaronical Priesthood was established.
I do not practice "kosher" but I do eat clean meats only.
On the other hand, the Designer and Creator of the human body has some insight as to what fuel to operate it with. Clean and unclean meats was around long before there was a Priesthood and ceremonial Laws...
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Notice that Noah didn't have to ask "What do you mean, clean and not clean?" He knew. There was no Levitical Priesthood at the time, this was long before the Aaronical Priesthood was established.
I do not practice "kosher" but I do eat clean meats only.
John...the one weak believed he could only eat HERBS...the other one believed he could eat ALL things...ALL is conclusive of ALL when used in context.....and the context CONTINUES....
vs. 14 For I know and am persuaded by the LORD JESUS, that there is NOTHING UNCLEAN of ITSELF, but to him that esteemeth something to be UNCLEAN, to him it is UNCLEAN.
vs. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy MEAT, now walkest not charitably. Destroy him not with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
vs. 16 Let not then your GOOD be evil spoken of...
vs. 17 For the kingdom of God is NOT MEAT and DRINK, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit
Yes I understand the word meat = food
vs. 14 For I know and am persuaded by the LORD JESUS, that there is NOTHING UNCLEAN of ITSELF, but to him that esteemeth something to be UNCLEAN, to him it is UNCLEAN.
vs. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy MEAT, now walkest not charitably. Destroy him not with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
vs. 16 Let not then your GOOD be evil spoken of...
vs. 17 For the kingdom of God is NOT MEAT and DRINK, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit
Yes I understand the word meat = food
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Im bad at Geography Elin, are those areas inclusive of the ones of the seven churches in Asia where it speaks of meats offered to idols and fornication as practiced there?
For example, in Pergamos as mentioned in Rev 2:14 and also in Thyatira where the same is mentioned in Rev 2:20?
What applies to the Corinthians didnt apply to other churches your saying?
Because I know here (for example) after the epistles are read they were to have the same read in the other churches
Col 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.
They read each others epistles
For example, in Pergamos as mentioned in Rev 2:14 and also in Thyatira where the same is mentioned in Rev 2:20?
What applies to the Corinthians didnt apply to other churches your saying?
Because I know here (for example) after the epistles are read they were to have the same read in the other churches
Col 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.
They read each others epistles
I think the context in these two provinces of Syria and Cilicia is offensiveness to the
many new Jewish converts there (Ac 15:21), and that these proscriptions are simply
a transitional accommodation to these Jewish sensitivities, which would gradually fade
for them over time in the new order (Heb 9:10).
I think this because Paul is clear on two points:
nothing is unclean (Ro 14:14) and
food sacrificed to idols is not forbidden (1Co 10:25-30).
However, for the sake of the weak conscience of some new Christians, and to
keep them from violating their weak consciences, the Gentile Christian is to refrain
from these practices in their presence (1Co 8:9-13).
In time, the new Jewish converts in these two provinces gradually outgrew their sensitivity
to the freedom of practices in the new order (Heb 9:10), their consciences became stronger,
the constraints were no longer necessary, and they could also live according to Ro 14:14.
Is that more clear?
many new Jewish converts there (Ac 15:21), and that these proscriptions are simply
a transitional accommodation to these Jewish sensitivities, which would gradually fade
for them over time in the new order (Heb 9:10).
I think this because Paul is clear on two points:
nothing is unclean (Ro 14:14) and
food sacrificed to idols is not forbidden (1Co 10:25-30).
However, for the sake of the weak conscience of some new Christians, and to
keep them from violating their weak consciences, the Gentile Christian is to refrain
from these practices in their presence (1Co 8:9-13).
In time, the new Jewish converts in these two provinces gradually outgrew their sensitivity
to the freedom of practices in the new order (Heb 9:10), their consciences became stronger,
the constraints were no longer necessary, and they could also live according to Ro 14:14.
Is that more clear?
Yeah Key words....EVERY CREATURE and NOTHING to be refused.......
Same man also wrote.....
Let No man judge you in MEAT, or in drink........Colossians 2:16
Forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats, which God has created to be received with thanks giving of them which believe and know the truth.. FOR EVERY CREATURE of GOD IS GOOD and NOTHING TO BE REFUSED.....1st TIMOTHY 4:3-4
Do you eat...bacon, ham, pork chops, pork steaks, catfish, chicken and any other meat not given in the law and or condemned in the law?
Same man also wrote.....
Let No man judge you in MEAT, or in drink........Colossians 2:16
Forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats, which God has created to be received with thanks giving of them which believe and know the truth.. FOR EVERY CREATURE of GOD IS GOOD and NOTHING TO BE REFUSED.....1st TIMOTHY 4:3-4
Do you eat...bacon, ham, pork chops, pork steaks, catfish, chicken and any other meat not given in the law and or condemned in the law?
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Yes, I do get that Paul went into this too, but I had always thought the orginal argument come in when certain come down from Judaea to Antioch teaching the Gentile believers there they had to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses (to be saved) but that this was a way of putting the former argument to rest concerning what they would do well in if they refrained from, given they did all these things. I mean I cannot see the Holy Ghost stating that which is essential among those who worshipped other gods (idols) in that way being fine with them taking up this practice again as if that is acceptable before God, all things might be considered clean but I believe here could be a better case for what you had mentioned
Things sacrificed unto idols are not offered of the Gentiles unto God in that doing
1 Cr 10:20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
Therefore...
1Cr 10:21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
This Elin?
Does that fit more perfectly maybe?
Like, abstaining from blood, or rather, the table of the Lord while one is drinking the cup of devils in sacrificing things unto idols (which things are not offered to God) as by the Gentiles.
Am I catching it here better?
Or in other words, can the abstaining from blood (as it might be meant) pertain to the Lords table in this?
The reason I removed that thought as being possible was because of that which is shown as strangled as well, just wasnt meshing in my thought process.