​Ted Cruz appeals to Christian conservatives in 2016 kickoff

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kennethcadwell

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I watched what Ted Cruz said and I agreed with pretty much all that he said.
The one thing I did disagree with was when he gave props to Reagan who had terrible home policies and was called the antichrist just as much as Obama is now. Many even had his name add up to the number of the beast (666). It is amazing how ones foreign policy can automatically override and make them a great or good president even though home policies were not all that great. Plus to start and state all liberals are jumping all over Cruz once again is not true, and we need to stop labeling all people associated with at group as the same. For example you do realize that Cruz is not a typical republican as he is a Tea Party conservative..............
 
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Don't matter if Cruz is eligible or not. He won't win anyways, but he will make the show fun to watch.
 

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U.S. Constitution Article 2 Section 1

....No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
 

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Don't matter if Cruz is eligible or not. He won't win anyways, but he will make the show fun to watch.
Not really, imo. He's educated in the law. He knows he can't win but he's running anyway. He stands to make money running, which insures he'll be re-elected to his Senate seat for having tried in the eyes of his electorate to take the highest office.
An electorate that he'll pump up with typical poly-speak speeches, while disrespecting his electorate who apparently won't know, as they cheer him on and carry his signs, and promise to vote for him, in playing this ruse against their hopes that he is a viable option to the Liberal machine.

It's a despicable tactic and it forewarns everyone that he's a typical scheming politician, not a hope for tomorrow.

He knows he can't win the office he's to make a fortune running for. Every word out of his mouth is a lie because he can never be President.

There should be a law passed that prohibits naturalized citizens from even running for the Presidency.
 
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Not really, imo. He's educated in the law. He knows he can't win but he's running anyway. He stands to make money running, which insures he'll be re-elected to his Senate seat for having tried in the eyes of his electorate to take the highest office.
An electorate that he'll pump up with typical poly-speak speeches, while disrespecting his electorate who apparently won't know, as they cheer him on and carry his signs, and promise to vote for him, in playing this ruse against their hopes that he is a viable option to the Liberal machine.

It's a despicable tactic and it forewarns everyone that he's a typical scheming politician, not a hope for tomorrow.

He knows he can't win the office he's to make a fortune running for. Every word out of his mouth is a lie because he can never be President.

There should be a law passed that prohibits naturalized citizens from even running for the Presidency.
I'm surprised you know the motivation of Ted Cruz's heart and equally surprised that you are so at odds with constitutional scholars who say he IS eligible to be President.
 

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I'm surprised you know the motivation of Ted Cruz's heart and equally surprised that you are so at odds with constitutional scholars who say he IS eligible to be President.
I'm of an opinion just as everyone else is. And no Constitutional scholar worth the title would go against what the Constitution says. He is not eligible. If he was Schwarzenegger could run for the office.
 
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I'm of an opinion just as everyone else is. And no Constitutional scholar worth the title would go against what the Constitution says. He is not eligible. If he was Schwarzenegger could run for the office.
Arnold didn't have an American mom.
 
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Not really, imo. He's educated in the law. He knows he can't win but he's running anyway. He stands to make money running, which insures he'll be re-elected to his Senate seat for having tried in the eyes of his electorate to take the highest office.
An electorate that he'll pump up with typical poly-speak speeches, while disrespecting his electorate who apparently won't know, as they cheer him on and carry his signs, and promise to vote for him, in playing this ruse against their hopes that he is a viable option to the Liberal machine.

It's a despicable tactic and it forewarns everyone that he's a typical scheming politician, not a hope for tomorrow.

He knows he can't win the office he's to make a fortune running for. Every word out of his mouth is a lie because he can never be President.

There should be a law passed that prohibits naturalized citizens from even running for the Presidency.
Don't get too worked up on Ted Cruz. Yea, I agree that this is a good way for him to raise his profile in hopes of holding onto his Senate seat. Since he can't win though, it really don't matter besides being entertainment. No worries, Horton won't hear that Who.
 

p_rehbein

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Why in the world would anyone buy into the liberal slander machine spewing? Amazes me how some folks will believe anything.

The Constitution lists Three Requirements for a person to be President:

­T­here are few Constitutional qualifications: The president must have been born in the United States (or on American soil abroad). He or she must be age 35 upon taking office and must have spent at least 14 of those years living within the United States (it doesn't specify if those years must have been consecutive) [source: U.S. Constitution Online]. As far as the Constitution is concerned, anyone who can meet those three requirements is eligible to be president of the United States. There are, however, some less formal prerequisites for taking the job.

How exactly is Cruz NOT ELIGABLE?
 

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Don't get too worked up on Ted Cruz. Yea, I agree that this is a good way for him to raise his profile in hopes of holding onto his Senate seat. Since he can't win though, it really don't matter besides being entertainment. No worries, Horton won't hear that Who.
You'd be amazed at how many people will blow his horn and volunteer to work his campaign offices.
Though since Obama won twice, I'd not doubt a Cuban Canadian would be allowed to win the highest office by the powers that actually pull the strings.

I foresee the Supreme Court being called in on this one. Though as bad as they are I don't put my hopes in them rectifying the issue as it stands. After all, Justice Kennedy went on the record and said it isn't actually illegal for illegals to be here. Scalia says of our Constitution that it is a 'dead document'. Clarence Thomas committed perjury and demonstrated himself to be a racist during his confirmation process and he still wears the robes but is known as Silent Thomas because he has not spoken very often since being on th bench. Ginsburg is way too old and infirm to sit the seat and yet she all SCOTUS justices will sit till they opt to retire or die.
Being that CJ Roberts was the deciding vote on Obamacare, I don't have much faith they'll rectify this issue about Cruz if it should come before them. They'll likely refuse to hear the case.


When Yahoo news picks up on this as did another commentator two years ago Cruz now running is a slap in the face of the GOP.
Bet, if Hillary doesn't run for the Liberal side Cruz will be allowed to illegally win the race.

[h=1]Can Ted Cruz serve as President if he was born in Canada?[/h]
“For Senator Cruz—who was born in Calgary, Alberta, to an American mother and a Cuban father—the question is more complicated,” Duggin said back in October 2013. “There is a strong argument that anyone who acquires United States citizenship at birth, whether by virtue of the 14th Amendment or by operation of federal statute, qualifies as natural born. The Supreme Court, however, has never ruled on the meaning of the natural-born citizenship requirement. In the absence of a definitive Supreme Court ruling—or a constitutional amendment—the parameters of the clause remain uncertain.”
 
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Why in the world would anyone buy into the liberal slander machine spewing? Amazes me how some folks will believe anything.

The Constitution lists Three Requirements for a person to be President:

­T­here are few Constitutional qualifications: The president must have been born in the United States (or on American soil abroad). He or she must be age 35 upon taking office and must have spent at least 14 of those years living within the United States (it doesn't specify if those years must have been consecutive) [source: U.S. Constitution Online]. As far as the Constitution is concerned, anyone who can meet those three requirements is eligible to be president of the United States. There are, however, some less formal prerequisites for taking the job.

How exactly is Cruz NOT ELIGABLE?
You answered yourself before you asked lol. The catch is that it don't say that he cannot run. Simply that he cannot attain to the office.

Not that it matters, even if he were born here he would not win considerring even the GOP establishment is against him. That alone won't get him far in the primary. Even if we go the extra mile and assume that he gets the nomination, then Hillary would eat his green eggs and ham for breakfast.
 

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You answered yourself before you asked lol. The catch is that it don't say that he cannot run. Simply that he cannot attain to the office.

Not that it matters, even if he were born here he would not win considerring even the GOP establishment is against him. That alone won't get him far in the primary. Even if we go the extra mile and assume that he gets the nomination, then Hillary would eat his green eggs and ham for breakfast.
No, actually, there are already Cruz Birthers on the left who are trying to say he wasn't born in the US. There are numerous stories out in the News..........and on Yahoo News about all the liberals already going after him on so many things........from what they are saying, I'm quite sure he IS THE ANTI-CHRIST! :)

I don't expect him to win either, but I have seen far too many folks dismiss him to easily. One never knows............And he will serve to keep the other Candidates in line with, or close to the Conservative Republican agenda.
 
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You'd be amazed at how many people will blow his horn and volunteer to work his campaign offices.
Though since Obama won twice, I'd not doubt a Cuban Canadian would be allowed to win the highest office by the powers that actually pull the strings.

I foresee the Supreme Court being called in on this one. Though as bad as they are I don't put my hopes in them rectifying the issue as it stands. After all, Justice Kennedy went on the record and said it isn't actually illegal for illegals to be here. Scalia says of our Constitution that it is a 'dead document'. Clarence Thomas committed perjury and demonstrated himself to be a racist during his confirmation process and he still wears the robes but is known as Silent Thomas because he has not spoken very often since being on th bench. Ginsburg is way too old and infirm to sit the seat and yet she all SCOTUS justices will sit till they opt to retire or die.
Being that CJ Roberts was the deciding vote on Obamacare, I don't have much faith they'll rectify this issue about Cruz if it should come before them. They'll likely refuse to hear the case.


When Yahoo news picks up on this as did another commentator two years ago Cruz now running is a slap in the face of the GOP.
Bet, if Hillary doesn't run for the Liberal side Cruz will be allowed to illegally win the race.

Can Ted Cruz serve as President if he was born in Canada?


“For Senator Cruz—who was born in Calgary, Alberta, to an American mother and a Cuban father—the question is more complicated,” Duggin said back in October 2013. “There is a strong argument that anyone who acquires United States citizenship at birth, whether by virtue of the 14th Amendment or by operation of federal statute, qualifies as natural born. The Supreme Court, however, has never ruled on the meaning of the natural-born citizenship requirement. In the absence of a definitive Supreme Court ruling—or a constitutional amendment—the parameters of the clause remain uncertain.”
Nay, I am not surprised Cruz has fanboys. Cruz is liked by the activist base of the GOPers quite a bit. Only problem for him is that the GOP establishment don't like him anymore than the Dems.

The Constitution and the Supreme Court mean very little. All that matters in US elections is the opinion of the kings of America since they be the ones deciding. Since it be that either most people don't even know who he is, or if they do that they are not in favor of him, he will not win.
 

p_rehbein

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Not winning does not equate to not having an effect though......... :)


And, ALL he has to do is place in the top 4 Candidates in the Primary to WIN..........maybe not the Nomination, but Politically, it will be a win for him and the Tea Party.
 
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No, actually, there are already Cruz Birthers on the left who are trying to say he wasn't born in the US. There are numerous stories out in the News..........and on Yahoo News about all the liberals already going after him on so many things........from what they are saying, I'm quite sure he IS THE ANTI-CHRIST! :)

I don't expect him to win either, but I have seen far too many folks dismiss him to easily. One never knows............And he will serve to keep the other Candidates in line with, or close to the Conservative Republican agenda.
Lol well obviously there are Cruz birthers since he was born in Canada.

I haven't seen what the liberals have said on him and frankly, I don't care. They aren't going to like Ted Cruz anyways. What was interesting to me was many GOPers are all ready coming out of the woodwork to denounce Cruz.

Seems to me like this is good news for Jeb since now the GOP activist bloc will be split between Cruz and Paul. Seems good news for Hillary since there is a good chance the GOP will run a cannibal election like they did in 2012.
 

p_rehbein

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Mother of American citizenship.......much like the Military, when a child is born to a woman residing overseas, that has American citizenship the child is an American citizen. Lots of Law to support this........this is just PAY BACK for all the Obama Birthers.......
 

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Nay, I am not surprised Cruz has fanboys. Cruz is liked by the activist base of the GOPers quite a bit. Only problem for him is that the GOP establishment don't like him anymore than the Dems.

The Constitution and the Supreme Court mean very little. All that matters in US elections is the opinion of the kings of America since they be the ones deciding. Since it be that either most people don't even know who he is, or if they do that they are not in favor of him, he will not win.
Wasn't it just before Obama's second election that there was a measure put forth to abolish the electoral college?
That got nickers in a twist. I know mine were.
I was tickled pink at the mere notion someone broached the subject of shutting them out.

I think if we the electorate have to suffer campaign ad's sometimes a year or more before the actual election itself, that the popular vote should be the decider. Not the electoral.

But the rich white men behind the curtain will do what they always do. And we'll have to suffer through with the incumbent who will retract everything he said during his campaign using excuse after excuse. And all designed to draw another curtain over our consciousness so that we don't see the text bubble that is really there behind his head reading: I lied! I knew I was lying but I knew you'd believe me because you needed to.

Same ship of evils different day.

I have a friend who said if Hillary Clinton wins he's moving to Iceland.
If that pans out and she gets in I'm going to wrap a wool hat up and attach a card that says; Dress warm! And give it to him. smileys-happy-774096.gif
 
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Part of the problem is that Ted Cruz will leave millions of American voters without adequate healthcare. Most voters below the poverty line that need ongoing medical care or have a loved one that does cannot vote for Ted Cruz without leaving themselves or their loved one(s) to rapidly medically deteriorate without healthcare, deform (if they have arthritis or some other such condition) that goes untreated, and ends up in a wrecked body on SSI or dead.

The GOP has a huge blind spot. If they would just dump their stupid tax credit feel good band aid, which does nothing for poor Americans who need healthcare because they don't earn enough income for the tax credit to even matter, and rather have a workable system in place (such as the Purple Health Plan economists support) that allows all Americans to get basic adequate health care with the ability for those who earn more to purchase private plans to go anywhere they like and get the highest level of health care available; they would see their base balloon.

But, they'll never do it. The lives of these people mean nothing to them and so they'll do without millions of votes they would otherwise have... mine included.

Many poor former Republicans now register as independents and vote for independent candidates. We would come back if the GOP found their soul with respect to healthcare and start agitating within the GOP to change it's economic and trade ideology so people can go back to work and pay taxes again. But until they retreat from their agenda of government democide with respect to healthcare: never.

To support the GOP is to support a political party who's platform implements democide. Wrapping it up in a tax credit, the American flag, and Jesus Christ doesn't change the fact that leaving millions (perhaps tens of millions) of American citizens without adequate basic healthcare is a form of democide which is wholly unChristian.

We certainly can materially increase government revenue while maintaining a low structure for individuals, families, and businesses; end the deficit and start paying down the national debt; and have a very basic social safety net. But it requires changing what we are doing to get those results. I charted how to accomplish this on my economic website (remember I'm also a straight A MBA).

But both parties are a mess and so us independents will vote for independents and not vote for either one of them.


I like Ted Cruz. I'm afraid that he won't appeal to a large enough segment to win the presidency. Especially in light of what p_rehbein has already stated about the media and their disdain for him.
 

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IMHO, Ted Cruz is just another politician seeking more power.
 
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Wow, by that bit of math that means my bloodline guarantees me citizenship in a lot of countries. Woohoo! lol

Ted Cruz was born in Canada and to a Cuban father and an American mother who hails from Delaware. That means he's a Canadian citizen and the Constitution guarantees he's ineligible.
The nonsense about Obama was just that. Unfortunately the Birther movement will keep that stinking dead horse on the ground as long as it serves their purposes. Which is for less than another 20 months.

Poor horse.
I love horses. :(
Angel, dual citizenship (one being a US) does not disqualify a person from office of president. No. It probably doesn't help win votes, but it is not a disqualifier.

Cruz is a natural-born citizen of the US. He was born in Canada, but as you note, his mother was a US citizen. He never was naturalized a US citizen, he was born one, and that from his mother (his citizenship). He is well over 35 years of age, and has resided here for more than 14 years.

Why did you say he is ineligible? Dual citizenship doesn't disqualify him. He meets all the qualifications. I know of no article in Constitution of dual citizenship (one being US) related to office of president.
 
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